Talk:Club América

We need to give this article (and most other Mexican club articles) an overhaul

According to the Manual of Style for club articles, there should be "Stadium," "Colors", "Crest," and "Supporters" subsections describing each of those aspects of the club, yet this article lacks all of those. For "Supporters," I suppose we could list La Monumental or ChikagoAzulkrema as the two most important barras for America, but that is only the way I see it. I'm sure guys from Pibes think they're important as well. We should come to a consensus as to what barra(s) is/are the most important and describe their activities and/or culture and how they are relevant to America. The "Colors" and "Crest" subsections could be taken from the stuff that's already under "History." As for the "Stadium" subsection, I have not been able to find where America played before they moved to the Azteca. If anyone could do some serious research I'm sure you'd find out where (probably some name-less field in Mexico City). I ask any willing editor to help out with this and pretty much every other Mexican club article, as most are pretty awful and are vandalized on a daily basis.--DethFromAbove 10:31, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Introduction

You can not put that they are the second most popular team, and the most hated. Sourced or not, it is still opinion and still irrelevant. Orracle107 (talk) 00:29, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Won/Loss

Someone edited the article to say that america lost the last 3 things. is this true?

Answer: Of course and we must change this because America is a popular team and why not the biggest from Mexico.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.60.164.70 (talk) 16:26, 25 February 2008 (UTC) 

Because it is not the biggest, or at least that you cannot prove; it is subject to personal opinion. We have to stick to the rules and we cannot be biased in our editing despite being fans (like me). Besides, and it is a fact, Chivas is the BIGGEST team (and BEST TEAM in the league) club in Mexico.

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El america es el mejor equipo de Mexico —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.135.8.245 (talk) 16:01, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

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Do they have any peaceful fans?

The article, as is, makes it seem like the club's fans consist entirely of a firm. Do they have any supporters in Mexico not involved in firm activity? Secondly, I would like to know their "nicknames", if they even have one. I assume people call them the eagles, or golden eagles, or something, but I don't know. I've liked this club after I saw them play a really great game, while I was Mexico (on T.V. of course). Does anyone have the knowledge to answer these questions for me and add them to the article? ==you're so fucking stupid... asshole Thanks.--BigBearC 06:16, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Yes the Amigos Fan club, composed of Ex mexican convicts who escaped from Alcatraz in the 60s. They currently are active in the Los Angeles area and meet at alocal bar for the games. Their founder is Louis Martinez. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.238.26.49 (talk) 04:33, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Excess detail on kits

From Template:Football kit/doc:

To create a new pattern template follow the examples below. When you have created a new pattern please add it to the list below. Do not create patterns for minor details on a kit, the template is for showing basic team colours. It is not supposed to be an accurate drawing of the kit.

It is because of this reasoning that I have removed the overly detailed version of the kits in the infobox. There is no place for kits with club, manufacturer or sponsor logos. Dancarney (talk) 19:58, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Bold text for capped players

From Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Clubs:

Per consensus on WT:WPF players who have played international games should not be bolded. This is for several reasons.

1. For teams such as Manchester United F.C. almost every player will be bolded.
2. Playing at an international level means different things for different countries. To play at an international level for England/Brazil is on a different scale to say the Faroe Islands or Samoa.
3. Bolding makes no distinction between the number of caps.
4. If the fact that they have played for the national team is notable, then it will be listed on their individual and national team articles.
5. The current squad lists are discussing what they have done for their club and not what they have done for their country.

So, please do not use bold text for capped players. Thank you! Dancarney (talk) 08:53, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Confirmed Transfers for Apertura 2008

I deleted this section as it is not appropriate for an encyclopaedic article - it is effectively news. The info was replaced, with the following hidden text attached:

Every other soccer team of Primera División de México has the confirmed transfers for Apertura 2008 season, for example Cruz Azul, Atlas Guadalajara and many others, so Club America has to have it too

This is using a flawed argument of Other Stuff Exists. As a consequence I shall examining the other Primera División de México club articles and removing those sections too. Dancarney (talk) 21:01, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Profesional Titles or Honors

I don't know what happened to this section but there used to be a section that gave all the titles and honors that America has won throughout its history. As of right now there is no such section detailing all competitions and titles won throughout the years. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.91.171.36 (talk) 21:03, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Edit War regarding most hated

Hi, I am stepping in here to try and resolve the edit war that is currently going on regarding the opening paragraph of this article. I have tried in the past to help resolve this by first removing invalid sources, then refering the matter to WP:FOOTY to check the spanish sources (mine isn't up to it) were valid. The conclusion there was that they were. Also I asked for help and this was provided to help make the edit less inflammatory. None of this seems to have helped and User:Dedos07 and User:Jcmenal are still in an edit war and are both in violation of WP:3RR

My take is the follwing, the edit is inflammatory and I am not sure what it adds to the article, however it is sourced properly and not incorrectly worded any more. I would suggest to help solve this that the comments should be placed in a seperate section of the article explaining the survey and the results. A similar section should also be created on the Chivas article.

However both User:Dedos07 and User:Jcmenal should refrain from making or reverting edits concerning this topic until consensus is reached. I will refer both users here. Paul  Bradbury 20:08, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Comment In response to User:Pbradbury's request at WP:FOOTY, I checked the sources and then added the bit which says "According to the results of a January 2008 poll", to attempt to clarify the statement. It's the sort of thing which wouldn't be out of place in a Supporters or Rivalries section within a football club article, so long as the results of the poll are discussed in context, without any POV slant being put on the results, and without any sort of inter-club points-scoring, but is totally out of place in the lead section. For instance, the English club article Birmingham City F.C. refers to the results of a fan survey in its Supporters section; other English club articles do likewise. I'd also advise that any use of the poll's results should be sourced to the poll results themselves (the consulta.com.mx reference) and not to any possibly misleading media interpretation of them. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 20:32, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

I'm agree, is not necesary to have this issue in the heading, a popularity section may be enough. In the Spanish version of this article, the 3rd paragraph of the heading refers to the popularity, there is no problem with the Club America supporters, and they are many wikipedians supporting Club America in the Spanish wiki. JC 13:45, 15 August 2008 (PST)

Even though the sentence is well-sourced I don't think mentioning that in the heading contributes to anything. It should be placed in a popularity section like some of you mentioned, or better yet, in the following article: El Clásico (Mexico) which is the detailed article about the rivalry between Chivas and America. I'm going to go ahead and take the sentence out and hopefully its author will read this and place the "hate" sentence and reference in the rivalry article. Regards. Bruno18 (talk) 21:42, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

I added a popularity section as I suggested before and I moved the poll sentence there. JC 22:39, 15 August 2008 (PST)

Had to edit some info, someone tagged the page with the name of the owner

Had to edit the name of the owner of Club America because it was way off and totally wrong, most likely making fun of the team, as an Americanista I couldn't let this happen. Americanistas know that Emilio Escarraga is the owner of Club America and also of Televisa. By the way someone also edited the number of chapionships of Club aAmerica and had 3, I changed it to 10 which is the actual number of championships Club America has. Any questions or concerns just messege me. Emiagui (talk) 05:43, 12 January 2009 (UTC) Emiagui

Please keep an eye for tagging

Just removed some foul action words against Club America in the nickname section, please make sure people dont mess around in this section. Thank YouEmiagui (talk) 05:48, 12 January 2009 (UTC)Emiagui

Edgar Castillo

I just wanted to point out that he plays for the Mexican team, not the American team, which means that he should have a Mexican flag instead of the American flag. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tk TommyKim (talk • contribs) 01:48, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Richest clubs outside Europe?

There is an unreferenced claim in the leading paragraph about Club America being the among the richest clubs outside Europe. I don't even think it's the richest in Mexico. I looked for a reference in Spanish and English and there hasn't been any legitimate third-party research done on the subject. I'll remove the entry unless there a reference added which complies with Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources. -- Marco Guzman, Jr  Chat  21:23, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

It's been over a week and there is no source backing up this claim. Hence, I will remove the sentence. -- Marco Guzman, Jr  Chat  05:40, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

Kit Combinations

For the first match with the new kit they wore the yellow jersey/blue shorts combination but for the rest of the games they have worn yellow jersey/yellow shorts. So can someone please change it because i guess they realized that inverting the color of jersey and shorts looked horrible.

Also the third kit was only to be used in the 2009 Interliga. and since that tournament no longer exists i think it should be removed. In the page of the Federation Mexicana de Futbol they only havethe Yellow and Blue Jerseys listed as Official Uniform.

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Mexican Football Standards

I think that for most of the wikipedia articles over mexican football we must handle with some obstacles:

- The most of the articles could be vandalized for other users due to fanatisms or to print on the article only good points over their team. - The articles should include facts over the team, not only the reason why the slogan "Odiame Mas" is written, I updated the 80s section including some details over how America won their championships and relevant moments. - We must concentrate that the football articles are to share information and facts over the teams, not a love letter to the club. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.99.166.84 (talk) 19:30, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Delete the section about the stadium

I would argue that the section covering Estadio Azteca is unnecessary, as it is mostly disconnected from how the stadium is tied to the team. There already is an entry for Estadio Azteca.67.137.68.210 (talk) 08:44, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Article protection

I believe the Wikipedia entry for Club América should be protected or semi-protected, as it is subject to constant vandalism

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Not done: requests for increases to the page protection level should be made at Wikipedia:Requests for page protection. Cannolis (talk) 21:48, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

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Logo needs to be updated. It was changed prior to the start of the season - clubamerica.com.mx — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ehrli (talk • contribs) 04:53, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

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LOGO IS NOT UPDATED

Logo is not the current team logo

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Campeones Cup is an unofficial title

Why did they include the Campeones Cup in the official honours? Clearly the Campeones Cup is not an official international trophy, because it is not recognized or organized by Concacaf, according to the FIFA statutes for official international club competitions. (enlace). Alphafelidae (talk) 00:10, 27 September 2024 (UTC)