Talk:Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness Innovations/Archive 1

Archive 1

March 2020

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 20:29, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

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Illustration of the morphology of coronaviruses

• ... that the CEO of CEPI, a key organisation in the race to develop a vaccine for the coronavirus (illustration of the coronavirus morphology pictured), told British Channel 4 News it was "the most frightening disease I’ve ever encountered in my career"? Channel 4 News, The Telegraph, Financial Times, Bloomberg

• Reviewed: Charles W. Lyons

5x expanded by Britishfinance (talk). Self-nominated at 10:24, 8 March 2020 (UTC).

• Unless I'm mistaken, this appears to fall short of the 5x expansion required. On 28 February, the prose stood at 3202b, which would require around 16kb to meet 5x expansion. However, the article currently stands at 8334b, around half of what would be required. Do you have plans for further expansion? Kosack (talk) 21:00, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

• I added over 15,000 bytes but also overwrote the material of the earliest editors; the more recent editors added about 4,000 bytes, so I thought that might be okay? I think it is a very timely article given CEPI’s role in this public issue, and worthy of flexing the rule to accommodate? Thanks. Britishfinance (talk) 08:01, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
• Actually, have extended further and am at close to 4x expansion on the characters (not bytes) definition; I should be able to make 5x shortly, so hold this open. thanks/ Britishfinance (talk) 20:38, 10 March 2020 (UTC)

• No worries, you still have three or four days for the seven day time frame. Ping me when this is ready for another look. Kosack (talk) 21:25, 10 March 2020 (UTC)

• Thanks Kosack, I added their full list of investments and their structure which I thought would get me to 5x, but I am still at 4x (agh!). Not sure now that I can see what more I can add? Is the 4x any good for DYK? I am presuming that the 5x was to cover smaller stubs, but this was already a Start-class article expanded 4-fold? thanks for your consideration. Britishfinance (talk) 22:03, 10 March 2020 (UTC)

• Britishfinance, at the moment there are 12,800 prose characters. If you were to take the Structure section and change it from a bulleted list into prose paragraphs (with the exception of keeping the 12 board members as bulleted), that would add about another 1,600 prose characters (which includes spaces), or 14,400. That would leave only another 1,430 prose characters to get to 15,830. One other thing that will need changing is the proposed hook, which is 237 prose characters (again including spaces), well above the absolute maximum of 200. Unfortunately, as I noted at WT:DYK, the 5x expansion is a hard and fast rule, regardless of whether the existing article was a stub or a fleshed-out C-class article of 5,000 prose characters. So 4x won't do it, but 5x doesn't seem so very far away at the moment. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:39, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

• BlueMoonset, thank you so much for that tip (I was wondering why my expansion of that section did not seem to have much effect on the count). I have expanded further in specific other areas and am at 16,276, which should give me the 5x? I will also reduce the hook size to the 200-limit. Thanks again! Britishfinance (talk) 10:40, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

Okay, I think I have the hook below 200 characters, and the expansion at 5x – hopefully, this should qualify for DYK now? thanks to all again for your patience and help. I think this is a very timely DYK, and the interview this guy gave C4 News (video is in the EL of the article, was very interesting). Britishfinance (talk) 10:45, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

• Britishfinance, the hook is at 200 characters exactly (does "the" need to precede "CEPI"?), and the article is now a greater than 5x expansion. Pinging Kosack to resume the review. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:08, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

• Thanks for that BlueMoonset – have deleted that "the". Britishfinance (talk) 15:16, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

• Drive-by comment: Does the hook really need to be so long? Could you write:
• ALT1: ... that the CEO of CEPI, a key organisation in the race to develop a vaccine for the coronavirus (illustration of the coronavirus morphology pictured)(coronavirus morphology depicted), said it was "the most frightening disease I've ever encountered in my career"? Yoninah (talk) 01:46, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

It's looking good, expansion is met, well written, interesting hook supported by a reliable source. I'd agree with Yoninah perhaps above with his alternative. Dropping the Channel 4 is a bit snappier I would say. What's your thoughts? Kosack (talk) 06:57, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

Thanks Kosack, and agree that Yoninah’s ALT1 is an improvement. One other thought, the 19m interview this guy gave to Channel4 is very interesting and I have linked to it in the EL section - could (and/or should) such a video link be provided in the DYK instead of the current image? That interview had quite an impact in the UK when it was given? Thanks. Britishfinance (talk) 08:08, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

In all honesty I'm unsure of including a video link in a DYK. I'll ping @BlueMoonset:, who's far more knowledge on the DYK process, about the feasibility of that. Kosack (talk) 09:25, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

• Kosack, Britishfinance, we have had videos as the "image" for a DYK on occasion, most recently on February 29. However, the video would have to be uploaded onto Wikipedia or Wikimedia Commons under a free license in order to appear on the main page (external links are never allowed), and I see no evidence of such licensing on the YouTube page of the video (and rather doubt that Channel 4 would release it with such a license), so in this case I don't see how it could be done. BlueMoonset (talk) 13:44, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
• BlueMoonset, thank you for that, which makes sense. Kosack, I think this is ready then (using ALT1)? thanks. Britishfinance (talk) 22:06, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

• Indeed, happy to promote this now using the ALT1 hook listed by Yoninah above. Kosack (talk) 13:06, 13 March 2020 (UTC)