Talk:Coccinia grandis

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The result of the move request was: not moved. ErikHaugen (talk | contribs) 18:44, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

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Coccinia grandis → Ivy gourd – As per WP:COMMON NAME ( eg: Guinea pig (not Cavia porcellus)). 'Ivy gourd' is the common popular name. http://plants.usda.gov/java/profile?symbol=COGR9
http://www.weeds.org.au/cgi-bin/weedident.cgi?tpl=plant.tpl&ibra=all&card=V25
http://www.medicinenet.com/ivy_gourd/supplements-vitamins.htm
http://www.ehow.co.uk/list_7849706_ivy-gourd-seeds.html

Anish Viswa 03:15, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

Oppose per WP:FLORA. The most commonly used name in reliable sources is Coccinia grandis (more hits in a Google Book and Scholar search than "ivy gourd"). Rkitko ^(talk) 22:26, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

Support. My understanding of Common Name is the name used by common man to refer to something and common man mostly use 'Ivy Gourd' and not the botanical name. Common man do not know the Scientific names. Also, this is a common vegetable and hence the common name is popular.
Anish Viswa 01:08, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

This is a common misconception. It specifically states, "...it prefers to use the name that is most frequently used to refer to the subject in English-language reliable sources." In this case, that's the scientific name. In other cases, that's the vernacular name. (When we say "common name" in reference to names plants and animals are known by, we means it's a name used in the vernacular, not that it's the most commonly used name.) Rkitko ^(talk) 01:36, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Maybe support (combined with some changes to the taxobox about which species are covered) but needs more investigation. The first google scholar hit for "ivy gourd" glosses ivy gourd as "Coccinia grandis Voigt, Coccinia cordifolia, Coccinia indica". Other hits in the top screen or two point to Coccinia indica, Coccinia grandix (a typo/error?), Coccinia cordifolia or Coccinia grandis. In other words, it may be analogous to the "rice" example in WP:FLORA. Kingdon (talk) 23:00, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

Kingdon, as far as I can tell, all of the information in this article is about this particular species, not "ivy gourd" as a common name. If multiple species are called ivy gourd, then that bolsters the argument to keep the article titled at the scientific name. An article on ivy gourd should not have a taxobox because the species you mentioned do not seem to form a natural taxon, much like rice does not have a taxobox. What I would prefer to see is a disambiguation page if these names are real species. From a few searches I've done, C. cordifolia and C. indica appear to be considered synonyms of C. grandis. Rkitko ^(talk) 15:05, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

All three are indeed synonyms according to GRIN. Kingdon (talk) 01:34, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

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"Rashmati"

If "rashmati" is another word for the fruit, could the word be introduced at top where all the names are given? If not, at least maybe specify what language/culture this word is from. --Richardson mcphillips (talk) 01:19, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

For which fruit. Is it name of Ivy Guord. Alshaikhan (talk) 15:09, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

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Suggest moving information from 'Geographic Spread' to introductory paragraph + Add to Bushfood page + Add to Bush Tucker page query

Most of the plant/tree pages I've been reading have the information on where the plant/tree is native and its distribution, including if it's recognised as an invasive species, in the introductory paragraph.

May I suggest for consistency that this information from the 'Geographic Spread' section be moved to the introductory paragraph.

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Is this a "bushfood?" If so, may I suggest adding a link at the bottom of the page to the "Bushfood" page, and add the plant to the "Bushfood" page.

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I note that it says, "Its native range extends from Africa to Asia... and the Northern Territories, Australia." Do we have evidence that it's a "Bush tucker" plant? If so, may I suggest adding a note under "See Also" that it's a bush tucker plant, add a link to the "Bush Tucker" page, and then add the plant to the "Bush Tucker" page.

Tzali (talk) 17:47, 12 November 2022 (UTC)