Talk:Compulsory dance

Artistic rolling skating

Question: Does the content in this article about the compulsory dance in Artistic roller skating really belong here? I'd think that since figure skating and rolling skating are 2 separate, different sports, wouldn't it make sense that the content about Artistic roller skating be removed from this article and put in that article? I know they're similar, but not enough to be grouped together. I suggest, then, that we remove the content about roller skating. Please discuss; if no one responds in 7 days from now (15 July 2018), I'll be WP:BOLD and do it. Thanks. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 17:18, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

As I'm thinking about this (since we've passed the deadline I imposed), it has occurred to me that my proposal would entail the creation of 2 new articles: Compulsory dance (ice dance) and Compulsory dance (artistic roller skating). The information about CDs in artistic roller skating would go into that article, and the information about ice dance would be moved to its own article. Then we'd delete this original article. I believe that it would improve articles about both sports. Sometime later today (tomorrow my time), I'll start the process. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 03:51, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

GA Review

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Reviewer: Gonzo fan2007 (talk · contribs) 19:38, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

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Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV () 3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant () Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

• I will review this nomination. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 19:38, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

Copyedit

• minor c/e. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 22:14, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

Lead

• "Compulsory dances (CDs), now called the pattern dance, are a" - per the article title, it should probably be "The compulsory dance (CD), now called the pattern dance, is a..."
• "ISU" should be defined the first time it is used; it currently is defined the second time it is used.
• " The competitors were "judged for their mastery of fundamental elements". The CD "provided an essential comparison of the dancers' technical skills." - I don't think these need to be quotes. The prose would read better if you summarized them. Something like "The competitors were then scored based on their execution of the various elements of the dance. The CD allowed the judges to compare the technical skills of each dancer." Or something similar. Also, with the removal of the quotes you can also remove the references from the lead (WP:LEADCITE).
• There should be at least a sentence or two summarizing the history of the CDs that have been performed, since a large part of the article is the Background section and the tables in the Dances section. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 21:57, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

Done. Let me know if the lead has enough content.

Background

• "The 2010 World Championships was the last event to include a CD (the Golden Waltz), and Federica Faiella and Massimo Scali from Italy were the last dance team to perform a CD in competition." - reword to something like "with Federica Faiella and Massimo Scali from Italy becoming the last dance team to perform a CD in competition."
• "The CD reflects the emphasis of early figure skating on competitors all skating to the same dance, with the same criteria, which included the dancers' skating skills, their interpretation of the dance and music, their timing, and their performance" - recommend splitting into two sentences. "with the same criteria. This included the dancers'"
• "Competitors were "judged for their mastery of fundamental elements".[1] and CDs "provided an essential comparison of the dancers' technical skills"." - remove the period in the middle of the sentence before the first reference. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 22:14, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

Done, thanks for the catches, especially that girshdarn stray period. ;)

Dances

• I don't mind the unique table coloring, but the first table should be sortable (see Help:Table#Sortable tables)

Hopefully the coloring issue has been resolved with the change to a sortable table.

• Because you use the word "include", I assume the first table does not include all of the times these have been danced. As such, isn't this a table of the first time these dances have occurred? If so, I recommend clarifying that in the text before the first table.

I added the phrase, "which is not a comprehensive list." The 2nd column is entitled, "First performed". Is that not enough?

• Why is the American Waltz included in the table but doesn't have any related info?
• I am not a fan of this sentence: "Note: List taken from ice-dance.com; see there for more complete list going back to the 1968-1969 season." I would include a footnote after "Note: List taken from ice-dance.com" that says "A complete list going back to the 1968-1969 season can be viewed at ice-dance.com" « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 19:55, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

This section done.

Images

• File:Tessa Virtue and Scott Moir at 2010 World Championships (4).jpg - freely licensed and properly tagged
• File:F. Faiella and M. Scali at 2010 World Championships (6).jpg - freely licensed and properly tagged
• File:Jana KHOKHLOVA Sergei NOVITSKI European Championships 2008 CD.jpg - freely licensed and properly tagged
• File:2008 World Championships - Meryl Davis and Charlie White.jpg - freely licensed and properly tagged
• File:Anna CAPPELLINI Luca LANOTTE EC 2009 CD.jpg - freely licensed and properly tagged
• File:Oksana Klimova Sasha Palomäki Dresden 2009.jpg - freely licensed and properly tagged
• File:Oksana DOMNINA Maxim SHABALIN Olympics 2010 CD.jpg - freely licensed and properly tagged
• All of the images need to include alt text
• While you are adding the alt text, you can remove the |right from each image. Thumbnails are defaulted to right sided alignment.
• None of your captions are complete sentences, so you don't need a period at the end of each one.
• In my opinion, there are too many photos in the article. They push all of the way past the references section. I would remove at least one ( probably one of the Oksana pictures, since she has multiple) « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 19:55, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

All the above done. I hope I described the images in the alt text adequately (I'm a girl, but not that much of a girl). Two different Oksanas, but I removed the last image.

References

• Reference 1, The Seattle Times should be linked. Note that you current have the "i" in "Times" capitalized (i.e. TImes)
• Reference 5, The New York Times and the Associated Press should be linked.
• Reference 6, International Skating Union should be linked.
• Reference 8, The Atlantic should be linked. If this is a work, it should be The Atlantic, if it is a publisher, then it should be The Atlantic Monthly Group. Right now you kind of split the two. I would prefer The Atlantic, to match your other references using the work field.
• Reference 9, International Skating Union should be linked.
• Reference 12, the Toronto Star should be linked.
• References 11, 14, and 17 should have the same format for Ice-Dance.com

Not sure what you mean. All instances, unless I'm missing them, are lower-cased and hyphenated. Do you mean that "ice" should be capitalized?

Ref 10 (used to be Ref 11) has it as Ice Dance.com, Ref 14 and Ref 17 has it as ice-dance.com « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 15:20, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

• Reference 16, International Skating Union should be linked.

I personally don't believe in linking titles in reference sections. I believe doing it is a case of over-linking. Can you point me to a guideline that contradicts me?

Figureskatingfan, no specific guideline that I know of. {{Cite web}} says that the publisher and agency fields "may be wikilinked if relevant." Guess it depends on your definition of relevant. You're reasoning for not wanting to do it is sufficient for me, so no big deal. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 15:20, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

• Everything else looks good. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 21:57, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

Overall

• Overall, the article looks pretty good. Let me know when you have addressed or replied on each item. Cheers, « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 22:14, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

Great. Thanks so much for your thorough review; I really appreciate it. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 05:47, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

I think all of my issues have been resolved. Note my small copyedits. Passed. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 15:39, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

Proposal

Everyone, so I've gone through this article and removed old/outdated content and updated its refs. I haven't done anything to the Dances section because I'd like to create an entirely new article about pattern dances, based off of the description in U.S. Figure Skating's Rulebook [1], pp. 402-520. For now, I'd like to remove the Dances section and put a note in Rhythm dance (which I've proposed to be merged with Short dance), referring readers to the section in the Rulebook. Of course, if it happens, that means that this article will no longer be a GA if it were to ever go through GAR, something we should keep in mind. Please discuss, including what we should do if we don't follow my proposal, and if there's no disagreement with it, I'll go ahead and make the changes and then begin on the new article. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 23:01, 8 September 2022 (UTC)