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Cleanup

This article needs cleanup, especially with the colloquialisms in the second paragraph. I don't know enough about the game (or anything, really) so I'm going to list it for cleanup.

EventHorizon 04:59, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Cartridge size

Latest comment: 19 years ago3 comments3 people in discussion

Was Conker the only game to use a 512 Mbit cartridge? I'm thinking so, but want to make sure before noting that. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.37.224.143 (talk • contribs) 16:34, 15 May 2005 (UTC).

Resident Evil 2 did. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 172.139.39.78 (talk • contribs) 11:58, 15 June 2005 (UTC).

- The ROM is 64 megabytes, which is 512 megabits. I have no idea what other games used 512 megabits though. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.0.149.90 (talk • contribs) 14:02, 13 October 2005 (UTC).

Spoiler

Latest comment: 19 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

"(an example being the levels with the Tediz, a race of evil teddy bears in lieu of Nazi Germany in a Saving Private Ryan parody)." this is a spoiler, and should be removed. At the time of writing this, I was playing Conkers and hadn't know that that was a part of it, hence it ruined the surprise.

Soon after writing this, I deleted it myself. Parodies should be a separate section. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kvn8907 (talk • contribs) 11:01, 10 August 2005 (UTC).

Errors

Latest comment: 17 years ago3 comments3 people in discussion

Was not BBFC rated, rating removed —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lordgod666 (talk • contribs) 22:21, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

The back of the box claims that it was "Made In Japan" even though, Rareware was originated in North America. --ZachKudrna18@yahoo.com

Actually Rareware is based in UK. — Kjammer ⌂ 20:42, 14 December 2005 (UTC)


  • Nintendo controls the physical manufacturing and packaging of game paks and discs. This is one of the ways that they make money from third party licensees (publishers). In short, Tregoweth's comment is correct. The game's box and sticker are not inccorect. "Made in Japan" refers to the physical cartridge. The box, manual and other inserts were printed and assembled in the United States (check the back cover of the Conker's Bad Fur Day manual), probably at Nintendo's facility in North Bend, Washington. That's not to say that the paper products for other US releases of Nintendo 64 games are not sometimes printed in Japan.olanmills

Parodies section and Indy

Latest comment: 18 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

Should there be added a seperate section to highlight all the parodies in the game? Also, I recently noticed that Conker's line "Tediz? I hate these guys!" bears an astounding similarity to Harrison Ford's line in Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade: "Nazis. I hate these guys." Keeps with the whole WW2 theme too. If a parody section is added, should this be mentioned?

  • I agree, the game was basically parodies strung together with random fart jokes in between. Mentioning most of the parodies at the top is good, but I think it almost deserves its own section, rather than wading through the chapter descriptions. Furthermore, if there should be mention of differences between the Xbox and N64 versions, it deserves its own section, as not to bog down the main article's chapters (which are very well written btw) MSI 22:14, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Pics

Latest comment: 18 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

Someone had the pic of the cover art in every section. I removed all of them as they took up too much room and were... a little redundant. --Thaddius 15:24, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Good job fixing it, but you could have simply reverted it and saved time instead of individually going through each section removing the picture. Hyenaste [citation needed] 15:31, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Nintendo Power refused to mention?

Latest comment: 18 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

OK...that's pretty weird, considering they printed, you know, a whole guide for the game. I wouldn't say that's refusing to mention it.--70.160.205.82 15:59, 14 May 2006 (UTC)


Yes, but the primary magazine didn't mention it. They did publish a completely seperate player's guide, but in this way they kept any mention of the game from their primary audience of Nintendo Power readers. That is worth mentioning as there hasn't been any other Nintendo-published game treated that way as far as I know.olanmills

Xbox/N64 Distinction

There needs to be a seperate page for the Xbox remake of Conker's Bad Fur Day. The Xbox version does have a different title though. It's "Conker: Live & Reloaded" (see here).

Even though the Xbox version has a different title, I think that both games should appear on a disambiguation page if someone searches for "Conker's Bad Fur Day" because the main portions of both games are exactly the same apart from graphics. It's only the censoring and multiplayer that differ between the two versions. olanmills

WERE?!~?!!?

Latest comment: 17 years ago4 comments4 people in discussion
Where the **** can I git Conker's
Bad Fur Day?


Heres how to get it on ur PC: first download Project 64 at www.pj64.net , then go to coolroms.com and look for Conkers Bad Fur Day and download it. --Conker the squirrel

I can't say for sure, but I imagine that comments about emulation are prohibited here 202.189.65.106 07:44, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
I doubt comments about emulation are verboten (particularly since there are myriad articles about it), but linking to ROMs is. What to do. 24.40.172.245 02:21, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

WHY?!?!~?!

Latest comment: 18 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion
Why did RAREWARE turn it into a mature
rated game when it started off as a c-
heerful game?Not that the game's bad,in
fact,I love it,but how come they made
it for an "ADULT" rate?Wasn't N64 for
little kids?

EDIT:If the game Conker Live & Reloaded's
uncensored,how come my big brother plays 
multiplayer(which is suposed to be uncensored)
,but has censoring sounds?Is there a lie?


  • In some interviews, Rareware staff described the drastic redirection. They oricinally started making the game very cute and cheery, and staff members started making jokes about it and started talking about how there are too many games with that type of style and the fact that Rare itself was responsible for a number of them. Somehow, those discussions became more serious as they proposed the idea to Nintendo of taking the cute aesthetic and twisting it into raunchy parody.
  • The Xbox version, Conker Live & Reloaded was originally going to be titled Conker Live & Uncut. It was going to be completely uncensored. Probably because of a decision made by new Rareware owner Microsoft, instead the game was censored even more than the N64 version was. However, I believe once you achieve certain conditions, you earn a cheat which uncensors the language for multiplayer, but it is censored otherwise.

--Olanmills 04:24, 25 September 2006

Another Question

Latest comment: 18 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion
Is there atleast 1 copy
of Twelve Tales:Conker 64
availible for N64?
Yes, plenty, just look for the title "Conker's Bad Fur Day". The game title and direction was changed mid-development. There may be an unfinished prototype or demo copy out there of the game under it's original title, but I highly doubt it, the game was changed before it was finished. --UsaSatsui 23:57, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Another dumb question

Is there going to be a new
Conker Game coming out?

Wait...

Latest comment: 18 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion
I'am about to get Conker:Live & Reloaded for my Birthday
2 Days from now.Where exactly is conker;l&r
availible besides ebay?Is it at Best Buy?
This is a talk page about changes to the article. Posts like these don't belong. RobJ1981 22:50, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Wow! A cigar! Does this game really have cigars in it?

Yes, but you have to soak the game disc in White Spirits for 2 days to unlock it. The Kinslayer 07:52, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Nintendo controversy

Latest comment: 17 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

"Another factor was Nintendo's fear of controversy. Even though it was to be published by Rareware themselves, Nintendo felt that parents might accidentally buy the game because of the cartoon squirrel who had appeared in other, kid-friendly games, and not realize it was intended for the 17 and up crowd. As the image of the promotional artwork above illustrates, Nintendo demanded the image feature a larger-than-usual ESRB "Mature" rating graphic, as well as the disclaimer "Warning: This game is not for anyone under 17" — both highly unprecedented moves that signified the company's fears. The actual box, however, featured a modified version of the message in which the "Warning" was removed, the text was changed to black with the words "Advisory:" included in the text box, and the text box's color was changed to white. It featured a standard-sized Mature rating icon in order to conform to the ESRB's guidelines."

Is that, in fact, the case? I always thought that the logo and mature warnings were intentionally made prominent so the game wouldn't look cutesy, sort of like "ooo, I'm bad, I'm mature, I'm controversial". I'm putting a fact sticker on that bit until someone can prove it JayKeaton 17:43, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

End Cutscene Spoiler

Latest comment: 17 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

I believe that the section covering the end cutscene should be removed, as it completely gives away the entire gist of the thing. I'm going to delete it in order to prevent spoiling a very entertaining cutscene. Icefox111 03:58, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

That's ridiculous there are tons of spoliers on wikipedia(and on a personal note i loved the game but found the end of the ending(when he becomes king,not the whole operator thing, i love that) kind of stupid.It is not our job to prevent people from seeing spoliers i say we should put it back and put a spolier warning above the whole level thing.Parralax 23:02, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

I'll have to agree with Parralax there, if people are stupid enough to read the spoilers it's there own fault, that's what spoiler warnings are for, not to mention it gets a bit obvious when you're talking about the storyline.

Clean-up

Latest comment: 17 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

I did a bit of clean-up, and I did the most that I could at one time. I'm afraid the rest is up to you lot. Try finding some more references and maybe we just might be able to remove that tag at the top. Good luck. Cat's Tuxedo 02:34, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

I added some info. Please check it over and reword it if you can. Also, one question.

I created a section under development in which I put some E3 footage comparison info and the original ending. I addded a legacy section in which I put the Ports and some information which was cut from the overview. *Cough* cult following *Cough*. But just in case it may be a little biased, please reword. But I would appreciate if it wasn't deleted since, after all, it is info.

Fair use rationale for Image:Conkersbfdbox.jpg

Latest comment: 16 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion
 

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BetacommandBot (talk) 07:03, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

"Modified word"

Latest comment: 15 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

"Feck" isn't a modification of "fuck", it's Irish slang for "steal". The same topic has been covered in the Father Ted article, look at it yourself if you care to. I'm removing this comment.

Hold up, Feck is used a lot instead of Fuck. Mybe it is irish slang but it is aslo used for fuck, especialy in stand up comics, they say feck instead. For example Dara O' something cant remeber his last name is irish yet he sais feck and i dont stealing like you dont realy make sence. Lord loss210 (talk) 17:00, 24 August 2009 (UTC)


Inappropriate comment

Latest comment: 16 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

"*The creater of conker had said that the true ending of conker he had planned was he got so depressed in the bar he ended up shooting himself with the shotgun he got from the programmers. They had changed the ending in order to make it possible to make a sequal." <--- Removed the preceeding comment for being inappropriate in both writing and contextual matter. White Mage Cid —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.167.234.84 (talk) 18:12, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

The fact that it is inappropriate contextually is an invalid argument, because it can always be worded encyclopedicly and given a source; besides, Wikipedia is not nessessarily child friendly. If it was, this article probably would not exsist. A better reason to delete this, and the one I would go with, is the fact that it had no source, thus it was original research, which is bad. Larrythefunkyferret (talk) 06:24, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

conkers bad fur day

Latest comment: 15 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion
      P.S Go to Conker the squirrel and you will find that I added  the news of the NEW
      Conker's Bad Fur Day sequel that I posted. 
  
--Gus the king (talk) 20:35, 6 February 2009 (UTC)Gus the king
 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gus the king (Gus the king • contribs) 19:52, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

A NEW conker video game SEQUEL!!!!!

 WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THE NEW CONKER VIDEO THAT RARE IS MAKING SEND ANSWER TO ME.

conker series

Latest comment: 15 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

if you go to the conker series it will tell you that there will be a sequel just type conker the squirrel and it will tell you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.74.100.29 (talk) 22:40, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

I get that you're excited, but can we keep the discussion on this page focused on how to improve the Conker's Bad Fur Day article? A neutral section on the sequel may be good after it's released. Larrythefunkyferret (talk) 08:45, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

BFD

Latest comment: 15 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion
      Why did rare turn conker into a nice guy and then changed his characteristics to a adult
drunk,and turned the conkers quest into bfd???????????????????????  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.74.100.29 (talk) 13:44, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
I believe the article says that it was to boost sales. If the article doesn't say why, please find out and place the information, with source, in the development section. Thank you. Larrythefunkyferret (talk) 05:09, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Is the beta Twelve Tales/Conker's Quest really playable?

People on Youtube keep on talking about playing this game,can you really find it online and play it? 22:54, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Conker's age?

Latest comment: 15 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

He definatly seems alot younger in Twelve Tales/Conker's Quest(/Pocket Tales/Diddy Kong Racing). Maybe that was his childhood? 98.14.15.12 (talk) 22:54, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Merge

Latest comment: 14 years ago5 comments4 people in discussion

FYI, there's a half-hearted attempt at a merge debate going on here. Talk:Conker: Live & Reloaded Or maybe it's just a "redirect" debate. I'm not sure. APL (talk) 05:13, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Ok, It's done. I'm not entirely happy with it. The formatting could be better. And is having two infoboxes like that the preferred way to handle two games in one article? I thought about merging the info-boxes themselves into a single infobox, but the games are so different that it would have just come out a mess. APL (talk) 20:42, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
I'll see what I can do about cleaning it up a bit, if not tonight, then tommorrow. As for the infobox, I would ask the wise ones at the Wikiproject; they can point you to the policy that covers that, if it exists. Larrythefunkyferret (talk) 05:42, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
I think each should eventually have their own articles but it can be improved in this article for now. The reception and multiplayer is completely different from Conker's Bad Fur Day and once it is expanded it is going to start looking like two articles are being jammed in one. RP9 (talk) 11:21, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
Sincerely, I don't like the merge. I know Conker: Live & Reloaded is a remake, but I think it is different enough to have its own article, like Metroid: Zero Mission. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Niwi3 (talk • contribs) 14:56, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
Archive 1

Sources

Latest comment: 15 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

Here are some sources that may be useful for Live and Reloaded:

RP9 (talk) 11:45, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

THE DEMAND

Latest comment: 15 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

Conker's bad fur day was so violent, strong language with bleep censored, sexual content with censored, & drugs usage. Back in 2001&2005 on versions of N64 & XBOX . Myself i am finally demanded that the video game should be banned... KMJ 6-16-2009... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.210.45.160 (talk) 13:53, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

We'll get right on that. APL (talk) 14:11, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Release date?

Latest comment: 15 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

Fourth or Fifth? APL (talk) 17:34, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

According to the Rare site at the time it is the fifth. RP9 (talk) 19:11, 2 August 2009 (UTC)


Classes

Latest comment: 14 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

Can I put information on the different classes in the Live and Reloaded multiplayer section? It seems that that section needs some more information on it. Alpheta (talk) 17:47, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

when is the sequel coming out? there is a coker petition for the sequel. My question is,can you make someone do a game and is that legal. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.249.242.159 (talk) 15:01, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Canceled sequel section

Latest comment: 13 years ago2 comments1 person in discussion

I suggest we move the canceled sequel section to the history section of the Conker series as it fits better there. Besides, info on the sequel is fairly sparse and therefore not comprehensive enough to deserve its own and separate section. --Niwi3 (talk) 21:45, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

Nobody seems to disagree, so I will move the section to this Conker series. --Niwi3 (talk) 09:49, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

GA Review

Latest comment: 13 years ago18 comments2 people in discussion
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Reviewing
This review is transcluded from Talk:Conker's Bad Fur Day/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: New Age Retro Hippie (talk) (contributions) 19:00, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

  1. It is reasonably well written.
    a (prose):   b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):  
    I'm seeing some problems with the prose at points; you should enlist someone to help give it a quick copyedit to fix them. Additionally, two things on the Plot section: first off, it should be above the Gameplay, so the readers understand what a "Conker the Squirrel" is. The gameplay does not help to lead players into the Plot, but the Plot leads players into the gameplay so they know all of the terms. Second off, the Plot section is waaay too detailed. I appreciate that it has a story, and since I've played much of it, a fairly deep one compared to most Nintendo 64 games, but I can't imagine that it requires the same amount of paragraphs as Chrono Trigger. - New Age Retro Hippie (talk) (contributions) 20:01, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
Reduced Plot section to 3 paragraphs. If it still needs more work, please let me know. --Niwi3 (talk) 16:33, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
The length is fine. I'll go through it to make sure that the prose is fine soon. - New Age Retro Hippie (talk) (contributions) 01:31, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
  1. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a (references):   b (citations to reliable sources):   c (OR):  
    From what I can see, there seems to be a problem with referencing. In one paragraph every line could be adequately referenced, whereas in another paragraph, it has only a few, or worst case scenario, none. This is particularly in Plot and Gameplay sections. Also, Game Chronicles and Armchair Empire are not considered reliable sources. Additionally, what makes Game Critics a reliable source? - New Age Retro Hippie (talk) (contributions) 20:01, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
I've removed Game Chronicles, Armchair Empire and Game Critics references. I'm also worried I may be using IGN refs too much, but it's just so handy, as it is the most comprehensive review I've found for the game. If you think there are too many, I can try to reduce them. --Niwi3 (talk) 09:07, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
The IGN links are fine; it makes sense that IGN would be used more because it's the biggest video games website. The Gameplay section also needs more sourcing, and the Plot needs full sourcing. I also overlooked that the Reception has a line about its "cult following" that isn't referenced. - New Age Retro Hippie (talk) (contributions) 01:31, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
Done. Feel free to let me know if you find more issues. --Niwi3 (talk) 12:47, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
Hate to keep piling on problems, but GamerNode is not identified as a reliable source currently. I'm sure that there are better sources that mention its cult status (consult this list for ideas of good sources). - New Age Retro Hippie (talk) (contributions) 23:28, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
Unfortunately, I couldn't find any better source that supports its cult status. Here GameTrailers does mention that the game is a cult classic, although in an indirect way. So frankly, I don't know what to do. --Niwi3 (talk) 21:37, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
I don't see why it's indirect; The author calls it a "cult classic", so it's perfectly fine. - New Age Retro Hippie (talk) (contributions) 21:39, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Replaced. By the way, by "indirect" I was meaning that the source is mainly about the sex scene, not about its cult status. In any case, I suppose you're right: if the author calls it a cult classic, it should be fine. --Niwi3 (talk) 11:24, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

  1. It is broad in its coverage.
    a (major aspects):   b (focused):  
    I would very much prefer that more discussion exist about the remake. While it does have its own article, it's important to give more than one mention (technically two, but the lead's is basically the same mention as the body's). You could include a single paragraph giving a taste for its reception and sales, maybe discuss the development process a bit more (doesn't have to be too much in either case; wouldn't want it to be completely redundant to the main article for the remake). - New Age Retro Hippie (talk) (contributions) 20:01, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
Added more info. --Niwi3 (talk) 00:13, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
  1. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
    Fair representation without bias:  
  2. It is stable.
    No edit wars, etc.:  
  3. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
    a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales):   b (appropriate use with suitable captions):  
  1. Overall:
    Pass/Fail:  
Thank you for reviewing the article so quickly. I will try to do my best and adress the issues you listed when I have time. --Niwi3 (talk) 00:13, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
As an FYI, I'm going to be a little busy, so you might just have to wait a few days before I give it another go-over, okay? If you could find someone to give it a go-through to make sure that it's up to snuff, I could pass it sooner. - New Age Retro Hippie (talk) (contributions) 21:39, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
Don't worry, I'm patient. Just take your time and you'll be fine. Meanwhile, I will see if I can find someone. --Niwi3 (talk) 11:38, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
Looks good. Congratulations to you and to PresN for his great copyedit. - New Age Retro Hippie (talk) (contributions) 22:27, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

Requesting semi-protection

Latest comment: 13 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

I am considering requesting semi-protection for this article, as I think the reasons are pretty clear. What do you think? --Niwi3 (talk) 09:31, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

film

Latest comment: 13 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

Sony Pictures Animation and Dreamworks Animation plan to develop, make and produce a CGI Computer-Animated 3D Film based on this game, it was Distributed by Paramount Pictures and Columbia Pictures, Directed by Ron Clements and John Musker — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.44.197.38 (talk) 11:17, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

"though not as high as Bad Fur Day."

Latest comment: 11 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

Why should that be noted at the end? It seems superfluous and I am reading it with a biased tinge for some reason. I looked at a few other pages for game remakes and I don't see a similar sentence for lower average rated games like Ocarina of time 3D. 174.134.120.15 (talk) 22:46, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

I reverted your edit because you removed the reference and I thought it was vandalism. I removed the part you mention, but I kept the reference. --Niwi3 (talk) 12:52, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

Sales @ 50,000

Latest comment: 9 years ago4 comments3 people in discussion

The article states the game sold 50,000 copies and the reference leads to... an IGN article, where they give the number of 50,000 copies, but don't state where they got it. Why take their word for it? What's *their* source? VGchartz gives a completely differnet figure: 0.77m (0.53 NA, 0.22 Europe, 0.02 Other. Link: http://www.vgchartz.com/game/395/conkers-bad-fur-day/). I know Wikipedia doesn't trust VGChartz, but given the disparity between the 2 figures, come on, you have to question the validity of IGN's figure. And how can you trust IGN's number when they don't say where they got it from. Answers, anyone?

79.177.111.115 (talk) 13:20, 9 March 2014 (UTC)C

I've replaced the source with this one, which is more reliable. According to Nintendo insiders, it seems that the game only sold about 55,000 copies as of April 2001. VGChartz is considered unreliable by Wikipedia, so we can't use that as a reference. --Niwi3 (talk) 16:22, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
Hey. Thanks for replying. Still the low figures boggle the mind. 55,000 copies? It just seems so strange that a game that was so critically acclaimed sold so poorly. 79.177.111.115 (talk) 23:34, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
Yes, VGChartz is a tabloid whose numbers are ultimately imaginary. See here. What boggles my mind is that Rare ever released this game in this adult-only format on a Nintendo platform, and without a predefined sales channel, guaranteeing that it couldn't be carried by most mainstream sales channels. What on earth were they thinking? From their retrospective video, one may get the impression that they are on a lifelong, angrily drunken, rampage and wonder how they ever made age-independent software in the first place. We know their impetus for having initially changed course, but maybe we can find more coverage on that specific course and release strategy. — Smuckola (Email) (Talk) 18:26, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

January 17, 2015

Latest comment: 9 years ago8 comments2 people in discussion

@Niwi3: Hi there. There's lots of good editing going on. But this edit is very aggressive and part of it seems unnecessarily lossy. It's losing names and roles and various other carefully collected details. I just recently came to the article, which is a poster child of N64 development, so it has very thorough coverage out there in the world. Which is very rare in the 1990s (...uhh..huh). So the fundamental details really shouldn't be removed unless necessary (redundant, WP:NOT, WP:GAMECRUFT, WP:TRIVIA, etc). And with reasons given, or discussion initiated beforehand. I was wondering if the invasive changes are all necessary, or if it's changing for the sake of change. That, and the total lack of meaning in your edit descriptions, create an enormous amount of work for everyone who's proofreading, if they aren't just forced to give up. Invasive edits require detailed descriptions, piece by piece, according to what you see in the preview diff, such that you are instructing someone else on how to mentally reconstruct it. I'm glad when edits aren't numerous and small, and are fairly consolidated. This particular one would probably involve a Talk page synopsis. Thank you. — Smuckola (Email) (Talk) 18:17, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

@Smuckola: Hi there, thank you for your interest in improving this article. In the edit you remark, I basically cleaned up the development section; I reworded the prose, removed the voice cast as it is not suitable unless it is very notable (according to WP:VGAG), and added some quotes from the developers which I thought were interesting to the general reader. I also moved the gameplay section to the top of the article as it is recommended by the WikiProject's guidelines. Please feel free to change anything you think is inaccurate or add anything you think is missing. --Niwi3 (talk) 19:27, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
@Niwi3: Also, honestly, the diff system really got choked out on that one. I'm no stranger to big diffs! But sometimes we roll the dice the wrong way and the diff system skips every other beat and produces a mess. But this one was big. I'm all for deleting WP:GAMECRUFT WP:FANCRUFT WP:NOTDIR and enforcing policy all day long, but some of that stuff was compact and interesting. ;) "In this case the video game cast follows the general standard for listing a film cast, but should only list the major characters in the plot, and as a rule should be no longer than 10 actors. If mention of the actors is an important factor of the article, typically they should be done in the article prose, and generally in the development section..." That was exactly the case here. When I was transcribing the 2013 retrospective, I was trying so hard to understand the programmers' names but I just couldn't discern it. I know I could research it, because it'd easily snug right in there. I am similarly all about hard core citations and whatnot, so I admire anyone who's doing that as you are. Ditto for any Nintendo historianism, especially Nintendo 64 and 64DD. I really hope you'll start using edit comments like what you just did there.  ;) You can't seriously type the word "work" into that, any more than "stuff" or "nunya bidness". ;) Thank you very much. — Smuckola (Email) (Talk) 19:57, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
I admit my edit summaries can be really short and lazy at times, but that's because I am used to editing articles that don't have a lot of "whatchers". In any case, rest assured that whenever I touch an article I always try to make big, constructive edits to improve this site. I also think that the voice cast is not notable at all as there are no reliable, third-party, published sources that support it. Only enthusiastic fans of the game would care about it; keep in mind that this is an encyclopedic article for the general reader (the general reader doesn't know who "The Great Mighty Poo" is). Thank you for your understanding. BTW, I will try to improve my edit descriptions in the future :) --Niwi3 (talk) 20:57, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
@Niwi3: Honestly part of the deal is that I admire your work and I wanted to let you know that somebody is watching! Because I know exactly how that feels every day, with that big fat shiny 'thank' button getting dulled with time, day by day. I care enough to have reviewed the article history even though I have never played the game, and I have no idea what the.... thing you said is. I just spent three days on one paragraph at Nintendo 64, which is typical for me, lol. I write detailed comments in order to indicate that I'm not a casual editor, so that they hopefully wouldn't ever get undone, and as a general beacon unto intelligent life. I like to pretend that they're out there watching, once in a while, and are just shy. — Smuckola (Email) (Talk) 19:47, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
@Smuckola: That's perfectly fine, everybody has their own way to contribute to this site and every contribution is very welcome. I'm not implying that my contributions to this site are better or worse than others, so if you feel the need to change one of my edits, please feel free to do so as long as there is a good reason/faith for it. BTW, "The Great Mighty Poo" is a non-notable character in the game that was voiced by one of the game's developers. Cheers. --Niwi3 (talk) 15:14, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
@Niwi3: Well, all good contributions are very welcome. ;) What are your future plans or hopes for the article?— Smuckola (Email) (Talk) 15:39, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
For now, I'm only interested in maintaining its GA status; I prefer to focus on other articles that need more work. --Niwi3 (talk) 20:57, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

Another lost sequel/spinoff

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Rare just put out its newest "Rare Revealed" documentary featurette, as they've been doing both as part of and in the time following the release of Rare Replay, and this one focuses on another Conker game that was never made, "Conker: Gettin' Medieval". You can view the video via their official YouTube. Can someone please pull the most relevant details from this and squeeze it into the Legacy section? -- 68.37.227.226 (talk) 02:51, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

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