Talk:Convict leasing

Copyright

Possibly copyright violation? CoolGuy 03:08, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Going by the creator's user name (Pryles) I would say not. It is likely OR though. Eluchil404 05:31, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

I added some verifiable research although I left the original thesis in place. Is this sufficient to remove the flag or does the OR need to have additional sources cited? PSlave 16:49, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

I don't see from the references how this is OR. What the sources need to prove is the notability of the subject and they need to verify the content in the article. Also the article does provide citations. I am untagging it. MartinDK 18:15, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

This looks like original research, which technically shouldn't be included wholesale Isentropiclift 20:44, 25 November 2006 (UTC)IsentropicLift

"The following is an excerpt from "Legal Slavery: The Evolution of American Slavery from Emancipation to the Present," an unpublished thesis by Phoebe Ryles (University of Massachusetts Amherst)."

This should be removed along with the original research.

I grew up in mississippi and well remember my great grandfather share cropping in the yazoo mississippi area, this was not only blacks as this article seems to represent but poor whites as well, and this practice continues today though, called leasing on quarters. Now to address the wages of convict labor. I well remember my grandfather talking of working for a dime a day during late 20's and early 30's ( depression ), and saying how glad he was to earn it. What i am trying to convey to readers is : In 1865 legal black slavery ended with the civil war , but legal slavery for all races in the south began and continues to today , but today they call it minium wage.

Removed Thesis

The following is an excerpt from "Legal Slavery: The Evolution of American Slavery from Emancipation to the Present," an unpublished thesis by Phoebe Ryles (University of Massachusetts Amherst).

If this has been deleted, why is it copied here? We're not going to edit it. Deleted.--Parkwells (talk) 13:31, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Sources

Douglas A. Blackmon's 2008 book, Slavery by Another Name won a Pulitzer Prize and was adapted by PBS for a 2012 documentary film by the same name, available for viewing online at PBS. Editors may want to use his book more extensively for this article. As there appears to be a reliance on Internet sources, editors should know much of his book is available on Googlebooks. --Parkwells (talk) 13:30, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Deleted Zito as a source; he is a student in college; it was not published in a journal. His article was mostly about current issues in privatization of prisons, and cited articles on that topic, rather than historic sources. Other sources are better for the post-Civil War period.--Parkwells (talk) 13:40, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Overhaul

This entire page needs to be seriously overhauled. Convict leasing began in Louisiana in 1844, which completely undermines the basis for the argument that it started with emancipation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.164.34.151 (talk) 15:51, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

Misquotation

Regarding the passage: "Essentially, both black legislators and whites in the criminal justice system colluded with private planters and other business owners to entrap, convict, and lease blacks as prison laborers."

"Convicts Leased to Harvest Timber". World Digital Library. 1915. Retrieved 2013-07-28. is given as a citation for this statement, but I see no evidence in the source to suggest that, '...both black legislators and whites in the criminal justice system colluded with private planters...' in it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.112.37.56 (talk) 13:21, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

I've removed the mention of black legislatures colluding. There is no evidenced provided. The first black U.S. congressman were elected in 1870s. To insinuate that black legislators took office after the end of slavery and contributed to convict leasing programs seems outlandish and false.

Convict leasing ended?

Convicted prisoners held in the US today are forced to work for private corporations and paid pennies, if anything. I suggest clarifying the article to point out convict leasing did not end, or at the very least point to other articles on this topic. This topic is especially relevant in the current climate where the country is coming to terms with systemic racism. Joshhinton89 (talk) 20:54, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

What is your documentation? deisenbe (talk) 02:27, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

Hi @Deisenbe:, hope you're well -- I believe the poster's talking about forced penal labor in the United States, still allowed by the Thirteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution, which is pretty thoroughly documented within wikipedia on those two pages. This article already links to both of those pages, and both link back here. Such prison labor can still be accurately described as "involuntary servitude" but I think it's going too far to say that convict leasing never ended. My $0.02. --Lockley (talk) 04:06, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

My direct knowledge is limited to the New York State prison system, but there the "forced" labor is sought after and competed for. Nothing forced about it, except that every inmate in general population had to have some kind of "job", most of which were things like mopping floors for 10¢/hour. A wage of 25-40¢ an hour was pretty good (this was almost 10 years ago), and there wasn't much to spend money on. It broke the monotony, and in some cases let the inmates feel they were making a contribution to society. NYS Motor Vehicles had and I think still has an inmate-staffed call center. deisenbe (talk) 11:23, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

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