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Education

• "He dropped out of school in the ninth grade and never attended high school." If this is true then he is ineligible for a green card. Maybe he has a GED. Rms125a@hotmail.com (talk) 15:48, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Followup: I read somewhere that he did finally get his high school diploma. Rms125a@hotmail.com (talk) 13:39, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

He wasn't a school bus driver, he was a special needs worker for an afterschool daycare — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.73.181.219 (talk) 06:54, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

He drove the bus for the after school daycare — Preceding unsigned comment added by Khendralibbey617 (talk • contribs) 19:30, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

Death

I have yet to see any legitimate source regarding Cory's passing. Until a legitimate source can be established, refrain from editing the page. Killswitch Engage (talk) 05:25, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

http://o.canada.com/2013/07/14/corey-monteith-dead/ --Lawfare (talk) 05:26, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

Gossip rag, not a legitimate source. Please cite a major news outlet. Killswitch Engage (talk) 05:31, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

Confirmed by Vancouver Police. http://vancouver.ca/police/ Fieldafar (talk) 05:36, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

Here's the exact link from Vancouver PD - http://mediareleases.vpd.ca/2013/07/13/hollywood-star-found-dead-in-vancouver/ Cat-fivetc ---- 05:40, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/glee-star-cory-monteith-dies-584965 Geoffreycolinfisher (talk) 05:39, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

Just a side note: Canada.com is not a gossip rag. It's the main publishing website for Postmedia Network, with 16 newspapers and $1 billion + net worth, traded on Canada's largest stock exchange. -- Zanimum (talk) 20:27, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

The live police press conference http://www.livestream.com/vancouverpolice — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.238.10.102 (talk) 05:38, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

With confirmation from Global News, I'm satisfied. Have to make sure it's not a hoax. Just doing my job.Killswitch Engage (talk) 05:44, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

It's the Fairmont Pacific Rim, not the Pacific Rim. Nobody calls it that - they always say Fairmont first. I had no idea what hotel the news reports meant until I Googled. See http://www.fairmont.com/pacific-rim-vancouver/ - that is the official name. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.218.224.33 (talk) 05:46, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

Please refrain from speculation on cause of death. No cause of death is known, and no cause of death has been speculated. Thank you. Killswitch Engage (talk) 05:48, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

Further information from Vancouver Police live stream and press release [1] [2] He was dead several hours before he was found at around 12:00pm PST on Saturday, July 13. He had had friends around during the night before, but he returned to his Canadian hotel room where he had checked in on July 6 alone, and was suspected to have overdosed on drugs. The autopsy is scheduled for Monday. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.190.57.234 (talk) 06:11, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

"...was suspected to have overdosed on drugs"

Wikipedia does not encourage speculation to be published as fact, especially as the autopsy has yet to be performed. At this point, any cause of death is pure guesswork. Yes, I realize that Monteith had substance abuse problems but past actions don't prove anything, unless a reliable source (meaning, an autopsy report) can confirm. 69.125.134.86 (talk) 11:18, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

Someone has removed this as a possible indication of death causes; I see no problem providing this sort of information as many find it extremely valuable, including many in law enforcement. For a reason though, some don't like such useful information in current events - go figure:

Bosnian royal pretend and physicist Dr. Mensur Omerbashich, who uses Sir Isaac Newton's methods to deciphering occult numerology, has claimed on the European Royal Society's website that Monteith was murdered by Jesuit conspiracy. For this the prince finds parallels with recent deaths of other famous actors like James Gandolfini and Katrin Cartlidge, stating that a Harlequin sacrifice ritual (human offerings to Satan deity) by the Church is in progress as they set stage for another World War. Aminidi (talk) 00:35, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

We do not allow fringe views from unreliable sources. Flat Out let's discuss it 00:38, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

"Monteith was murdered by Jesuit conspiracy" LOL, c'mon dude, the so-called Jesuit conspiracy bullshit was debunked long time ago. 201.215.122.10 (talk) 05:23, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

Has any secondary source reported the claim? Otherwise, it looks like a self-published fringe theory. —C.Fred (talk) 00:38, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

A claim or a theory is when you postulate some wild guess based on some even wilder guess. But this is mostly numbers stacked. Please read it before commenting. Aminidi (talk) 00:44, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

A lot of what has already been told you about fring theories and reliable sources at Talk:Earthquake prediction#Seismo Info, Planetary alignments, Georesonance / hyperresonance theory applies here, too. And even more so since the Biographies of living persons policy applies here. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 00:44, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Why are you citing some rules without actually explaining what exactly you found to be wrong based on what exact (sub)section of that-and-that rule? You don't expect people to actually read all the rules' sections and subsections including what's found under millions of links therein, do you? Or someone is pulling someone's leg here. Aminidi (talk) 00:57, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

What I exactly find wrong is that the claims are defamatory and self-published. You don't have to read the wikipedia policies that are in place but don't complain when someone else applies them. Flat Out let's discuss it 01:02, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Excuse me, it seems you are now Flat Out, but a while ago you were Gogo Dodo to whom I replied? Isn't having two account against Wikipedia rules? And I think you do have to read regulations just as everybody else. Aminidi (talk) 01:05, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

We are two different editors, this article is on my watchlist. If you agree that you need to read abide by wp policies, then read them. Start with WP:BLP. Flat Out let's discuss it 01:10, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Now you're two different editors. OK, let's assume that's correct. Still, your citing of rules is as symptomatic. As I said on another article's talk:

Citing an entire rule without noting what exact (sub)section and point of it you allege has been violated is like citing nothing at all. Junk. Imagine a court where the judge sentences the defendant "based on the Constitution of the United States" without bothering to cite the chapter, section, subsection, etc. that make the defendant's deeds illegal. Some of us are legalistically literate, actually. Aminidi (talk) 01:20, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

You can start with WP:BLPREMOVE and then WP:BLPSPS. It is your responsibility to make yourself familiar with wp policy. Flat Out let's discuss it 01:29, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 14 July 2013

Was found dead in his Fairmont Pacific Rim hotel room shortly after noon

Read more: http://www.vancouversun.com/Glee+star+Cory+Monteith+found+dead+Vancouver+hotel/8657790/story.html#ixzz2YzrZCX2p 75.157.161.21 (talk) 06:01, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

 Not done -- The Vancouver Police ref is the definitive one to go with on this, anything else is speculation for the time being. Cat-fivetc ---- 06:03, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

Slow down

Ok guys, we're stepping on each other toes and editing over each other constantly, making this page hard to keep in line. Everyone slow down, lets keep it simple and ensure the page remains sourced and clean. Killswitch Engage (talk) 06:07, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

A suggestion I'd make is that unless you are editing the intro, do edit on the section header, rather than on the whole page. A couple of years ago they updated the software to (mostly) sort out section specific edits so unless the conflict is in the same section it won't pop up an edit conflict. It's not perfect but that may help a bit. Cat-fivetc ---- 06:10, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

Tense in the Glee section

We have no way of knowing what the writers of Glee are going to do about the Finn character so my first instinct is to leave the tenses as is. That being said, it looks so odd having that be the one present tense section when everything else has been changed to past tense. Anyone have any thoughts? Cat-fivetc ---- 06:18, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

It definitely looks weird, but I say leave it until we see what Glee does with the character. Killswitch Engage (talk) 06:26, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

It looks fine to me. Finn is a fictional character so the tense is dependent solely on what the writers of the series decide to do with the character. In some bizarre world, they could even decide to carry on a character with another actor. Taroaldo ✉ 10:56, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

That's a good point. I guess until September or whenever the premier is, since I'm assuming this will be dealt with immediately, it should stay as is even if that means it is out of step with the rest of the article. If Fox or some other reputable source says they're killing him off though then we should probably consider changing it. Cat-fivetc ---- 14:57, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

Regardless of whether he is written out or dies on the show, and even after he is dead, it's correct to say "Finn IS a fictional character", just as correct as saying "Jacob Marley is a fictional character". 76.91.14.191 (talk) 01:30, 16 July 2013 (UTC) User:Pedant not logged in

Edit request on 14 July 2013

Filmography -- Television: Appeared in a 2013 episode of Master Chef as himself. http://ca.eonline.com/videos/209014/masterchef-feeds-glee-crew — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.86.30.27 (talk) 16:42, 14 July 2013‎ (UTC)

 Done Flat Out let's discuss it 05:30, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 16 July 2013

Daydayforever (talk) 00:26, 16 July 2013 (UTC) Cory monteith did not die of an overdose because the police men haven't found the cause of his death yet so please put unknown not overdose cause he didn't die from an overdose Thank you

Daydayforever, I can't find any reference to overdose in the article. What exactly do you want changed? Flat Out let's discuss it 00:30, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Publicist and other quotes of condolence

Why are these considered encyclopedic? Yes, these people said these things, and they were printed in various reliable secondary sources, but Monteith's publicist (an employee): how is this useful information? Will it still be a part of the article in a week or a month from now? Do other bios include such statements after a death? Monteith was well liked and is being mourned, but I don't see how such information adds to the encyclopedic content of the article. It reads like filler, and not useful filler at that. This is why I've been removing it from the article. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:58, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Keep removing it. --Malerooster (talk) 13:31, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

I am not sure what leads you to think being encyclopedic means the most commonly cited reactions to a person's unexpected death must be excluded. To be clear, you're talking about a mere 2 sentences, all with very high-profile news sources which reported them. I understand that we should be vigilant not to let a recently deceased celebrity's article become a memorial, but this is hardly a case of that. I don't see how either of these quotes in the article are excessive—they make more sense than neglecting to mention any of the many reactions to the death, which are now part of the history of this subject. The comments by the network whose show was the overwhelming source of his notability and which he was still set to star in seems fairly relevant to me; I don't see any basis to deny the inclusion of something so widely reported on just because you find that kind of material distasteful. Dominic·t 01:58, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

I'm terribly sorry, but where did I say the material was distasteful? I said it read like (not useful) filler, and I still believe that. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:47, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

I concur with BlueMoonset here. The quotes are not distasteful (I actually find them quite sweet), but they serve no real purpose in furthering the encyclopedia article. It really does read like filler. — Preceding signed comment added by Cymru.lass (talk • contribs) 06:18, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

Tasteful: 'Monteith was "good friends" with singer Taylor Swift, who was "speechless" when she heard of his death.' {cites omitted). Distasteful: 'Monteith and Swift are never, ever, ever getting back together.' Bearian (talk) 20:38, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

Still not that notable nor encyclopediatic. --Malerooster (talk) 21:14, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 16 July 2013

According to the article, "there is no evidence to suggest Mr. Monteith’s death was anything other than a most tragic accident." (I am quoting the article.) However, the Wikipedia article of Cory Monteith says that "his death appears to have been accidental". What the official report and the Wikipedia article say differ substantively. Joycecohen44 (talk) 00:05, 17 July 2013 (UTC)Joycecohen4 Joycecohen44 (talk) 00:05, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. I don't see the conflict. One says it is nothing other than an accident and the other says it is an accident. Those are two ways of saying the same thing. RudolfRed (talk) 02:22, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

• The two phrases are compatible. The article uses the specific wording because the investigation is ongoing and the Coroner's final report has not yet been completed. The source noted above does not provide much detail, and is not present in the article. The Globe reference offers more detail, and provides a more complete quote: "It should be noted that at this point there is no evidence to suggest Mr. Monteith’s death was anything other than a most-tragic accident” (emphasis added). (Globe ref for info.) Taroaldo ✉ 08:37, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

"There is no evidence to suggest Mr. Monteith's death was anything other than a most tragic accident" shows that there is no evidence to say whether or not Cory Monteith's death was accidental or purposeful. By saying that "his death appears to have been accidental," this says that there is evidence showing that his death was accidental, which is differing from the meaning of the source article. Joycecohen44 (talk) 17:53, 28 July 2013 (UTC)Joycecohen4

Lack of evidence to the contrary (suicide note, evidence of someone else's involvement) usually suggests that an overdose is accidental. --Six words (talk) 22:02, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

Death section slow motion edit war

I'm not taking a stance one way or another but please discuss whether the section "Death" should be a subheader of the personal life or a top level header before continuing to change it. I'm not trying to assert any type of overt control but as a reader as well as an editor it is incredibly disconcerting to come back to this article and each time see it different from the last and such edit wars over design, not content, serve no useful purpose. Cat-fivetc ---- 10:35, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

• Speaking anecdotally, it would appear to depend on the extent of the content needed for adequate coverage. Some deaths may require only a brief sentence and can be included under personal life. Others require more extensive information and should have a separate heading. This qualifies as one of the latter. Taroaldo ✉ 01:09, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

Codeine + Morphine = Heroin

"It noted that Monteith also had codeine and morphine in his system at the time of his death" Isn't that something that's bound to show up in an autopsy when someone overdoses on heroin? I don't know if there's a need to have that in there.70.98.139.122 (talk) 04:58, 3 October 2013 (UTC)NoelleC

I'd expect we're simply going by the original source - I wouldn't want to WP:SYNTH anything ES&L 09:52, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

The Hollywood Reporter also said he had a metabolite of heroin in his system, 6-monoacetylmorphine: "The report also pointed to the presence of morphine, codeine and '6-monoacetylmorphine,' a metabolite of heroin." 70.98.139.122 (talk) 14:59, 3 October 2013 (UTC)NoelleC — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.98.139.122 (talk) 14:56, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/cory-monteith-death-coroner-confirms-641709 70.98.139.122 (talk) 14:59, 3 October 2013 (UTC)NoelleC

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Body discovery location in info box?

I've never seen the "body discovered" field populated with a location in the info box on another article, and in general this seems like a really odd field to include in the info box, even given the moderate notoriety of the subject's death. Can someone justify this being included in the info box? — Preceding unsigned comment added by LittleWalrus (talk • contribs) 03:38, 12 November 2018 (UTC)