Talk:Cr1TiKaL/Archive 1

Archive 1

IMDb

Heffner000, please stop changing the IMDb number for Cr1TiKaL. I get that pages can duplicate and get confusing, but this is White’s only IMDb page. Also, it’s not always true that YouTuber IMDb pages use their alias as their name. For example, Markiplier, Jacksepticeye, PewDiePie, LazarBeam, etc. use their personal IMDb pages with their real names as their Wikipedia external links for their IMDb pages. So again, please stop messing with White’s IMDb link. Thank you. 2600:1002:B11A:6AAA:B581:EA21:9573:CEF6 (talk) 17:12, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

All right i won't change it anymore Heffner000 (talk) 18:20, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

Good job, you are forgiven. KullyKeemaKa (talk) 20:58, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

Another version of this article

There may be content at Draft:Cr1TiKaL which is suitable for this article.

If content is merged, please replace {{r with history}} with {{r from merge}} on the Draft page and place a filled-in version of {{copied}} on BOTH this talk page and the draft's talk page. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 22:18, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

I wouldn’t exactly merge it, as some information may be outdated. 108.24.1.60 (talk) 19:47, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

This article desperately needs protection, NOW!

People keep vandalizing this article, declaring its need for protection. Like other YouTuber articles, this one also needs protection due to frequent vandalism, and it's annoying having to fix it manually because of other edits on top of it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by KullyKeemaKa (talk • contribs) 20:14, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Calling an administrator to semi-protect this page like all other youtubers in order to prevent continued vandalism. It's getting really annoying Heffner000 (talk) 04:47, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

@Heffner000: Please read WP:Protection policy for instructions. Requests for page protection go on WP:Requests for page protection. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 23:04, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

I'll see what I can do to help. KullyKeemaKa (talk) 23:24, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

UPDATE: Semi-protection has been added. KullyKeemaKa (talk) 22:55, 7 March 2021 (UTC)

Please stop vandalizing "podcast roles"

I will be pinging ​Heffner000. I would like to politely ask everyone to please stop vandalizing the "podcast roles" section. It does not always mean the podcasts that someone has (co-)hosted. Please see WP:POD for more details. Thank you all for your cooperation. KullyKeemaKa (talk) 22:34, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

There are currently no guidelines pertaining to podcast roles. I have searched multiple guidelines to find something on the subject, but nothing could be found. You can re-refer to WP:POD for more information. 108.24.1.60 (talk) 11:42, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

"MonsterCr1TiKaL" listed at Redirects for discussion

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images

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I think adding images of Charlie would greatly improve this article as a whole as it gives people more information to work off of. MRuuby (talk) 17:57, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

@MRuuby: To that, I say; don't, because it'll just get removed like the rest of them did. No one knows how to properly license images on Wikimedia Commons. KullyKeemaKa (talk) 22:06, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

Citation format

I made a minor edit to the article asking what everyone thinks of a more proper citation format I implemented; instead of White's channel name being in the "work" section, I put his real name and his channel name (White, Charles, Jr. [penguinz0]) in the "author1" section. I saw this on Steve Terreberry and ImJayStation, so I figure I can probably also use this format on this article as well. Let me know what everyone thinks of this new format by replying to this message. Thanks in advance. KullyKeemaKa (talk) 01:33, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

I fixed the same sources as I did before; I removed the "via" section and fixed the contents of the "website/work" section. Again, let me know what everyone thinks of this. Thanks in advance. KullyKeemaKa (talk) 13:58, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Penguinz0

There is currently an edit war going on between me and another editor. Via several sources, I have seen proof that penguinz0 is not one of White's aliases, including news article quotes along the lines of; "Cr1TiKaL, the mastermind behind the penguinz0 YouTube channel"; which only proves my point. I have also provided a quote in a source that proves that penguinz0 is not one of White's aliases. Any reasonable editors; please talk to that editor, who you can find in the revision history of the original article. Thank you. KullyKeemaKa (talk) 17:24, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

First you said that it was not one of his aliases, which it is.You are going by some unverified article whereas iam going by what he himself said. Now you are saing that it should not be included because he is not known as penguinz0,when penguinz0 is more google searched than Cr1TiKaL. I don't understand how I'm in the wrong here. Bobby690 (talk) 17:32, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

@Bobby690: I never only went by that video; as I mentioned before, I have read several articles that provide evidence for penguinz0 not being one of White's aliases. Please thoroughly read stuff before you start typing nonsensical comments. Thank you. KullyKeemaKa (talk) 18:57, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

I'm trying to prevent myself from getting another block, so I'm coming here for a consensus; can we all agree that "penguinz0" is not one of White's aliases, but only his YouTube channel name? Bobby690 keeps adding it as one of them, and has even removed another alias from the introduction. Thank you all in advance for your answers. KullyKeemaKa (talk) 16:32, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Let's not start from a conclusion - that only further heats up the conflict that has led to editors being blocked for edit warring, but thank you for engaging in the conversation. As I understand it, the issue is whether penguinz0 is one of Cr1TiKaL's aliases or not. We should follow what reliable sources say about the names that Cr1TiKaL uses, ideally third party sources. What we have now doesn't allow us to fully answer the question:

• There is this YouTube video where Cr1TiKaL said: "...why is my YouTube channel name "penguinz0" when I call myself "Cr1TiKaL"?... when I made this account a long time ago... I just chose my favorite animal... I changed my gamertag on Xbox Live to "Cr1TiKaL", so I started calling myself "Cr1TiKaL" in the commentaries. And I—I just really liked the name "Cr1TiKaL", so I've kept it." This seems to indicate that penguinz0 was his channel name, rather than his name, but this is a primary source and is somewhat ambiguous

• User:Bobby690 (currently blocked) makes the case that "penguinz0" has more search results in Google than Cr1TiKaL's other names. This is true: searching for penguinz0 generates 915,000 results while Cr1TiKaL has 212,000 results. However, counting google search results is a crude tool - a lot of the results in both cases are nothing to do with the subject of this article, so the counts aren't definitive evidence of the relative popularity of those names. They also don't answer the question of whether penguinz0 is an alias for Cr1TiKaL.

We need better reliable sources to resolve this, as the above do not give us a usable answer, IMHO. Laplorfill (talk) 18:41, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

@Laplorfill: Thank you for your answer.

My first point: I found a source that is already used in the article, and here is what it quotes:

"Charlie's nick on YouTube is Penguinz0, Cr1tikal is his second username for other platforms."

• "Charlie's nick on YouTube is Penguinz0." - On YouTube; just that one platform, not anywhere else.
• "Cr1tikal is his second username for other platforms." - White goes by Cr1TiKaL, MoistCr1TiKaL, and BigMoistCr1TiKaL more than any other names.

This source has been used in the article for months now, so I'm assuming it's probably usable for this argument.

My second point: Very few sources would refer to him as penguinz0; they prefer to use Cr1TiKaL and MoistCr1TiKaL.

This is my evidence to support that penguinz0 is not one of White's aliases. Here is what I would do; keep the primary source and its quote, but use a secondary source to back up that primary source. Let me know what you think. KullyKeemaKa (talk) 21:06, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

@KullyKeemaKa: there are also sources that support penguinz0 being one of his aliases, for example: [1], [2], [3], [4]. Some of these illustrate the confusion between channel name and White's name(s), but they all use penguinz0 as an alias to some extent.

My conclusion from looking into these is that because reliable sources like Newsweek and the Irish Independent do use penguinz0 as his alias, we should probably include it in the alias field of the infobox, properly sourced in the article. But I'd like to hear further opinions. Laplorfill (talk) 22:30, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

@Laplorfill: You make several good points. While penguinz0 isn't one of White's official aliases, I guess we can call it one of his "side" aliases. I will change the note, but instead of "it is not one of his aliases", I will use "it is not one of his official aliases". I will also use a secondary source I used here to back that up. KullyKeemaKa (talk) 22:37, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

References

@KullyKeemaKa: can you explain why you chose to call penguinz0 an unofficial alias? As everything i have read from this discussion it seems that everyone except you agreed that penguinz0 was his alias.I also think the note is kinda irrelevant as there is no section in infobox for official and unofficial alias but only alias. PeakyblindersOMGS (talk) 14:35, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

@KullyKeemaKa: I'm not very familiar with Cr1TiKaL but i decided to watch the video that was cited and in it he explains that Cr1TiKaL was the name he adopted later on when he changed his gamer tag. He never talks about penguinz0 not being one of his official aliases and from what i can understand it was his only alias before Cr1TiKaL. So if this note is added then it is nothing more than unsourced fan speculation. Whereas it being derived from penguins is something he himself mentions in the video. Also i noticed that penguinz0 is not included in the infobox which the conclusion of this discussion was that it should be. So i will be adding that back as well. PeakyblindersOMGS (talk) 14:57, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

@PeakyblindersOMGS: In a podcast, White explained that he made weird usernames for fun, and even had one back in 2006 before penguinz0. I don't think he remembers the username, but his previous channel involved anime music videos. When he created his penguinz0 channel in 2007, he started making gaming videos. He only started commentary in 2010, when he gave himself the name Cr1TiKaL. Also, he doesn't go by penguinz0 on any other platform, just Cr1TiKaL and usernames including "Cr1TiKaL". KullyKeemaKa (talk) 17:00, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

@KullyKeemaKa: I think the main reason for that is that he created accounts on all the other platforms after changing his gamer tag. I checked and his twitter was created in 2011 and twitch in 2016. The note that you wrote should absolutely not be included as it is completely unsourced and penguinz0 is used as one his alias in multiple reputable articles as mentioned by another editor on this talk thread. PeakyblindersOMGS (talk) 17:36, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

Increase in protection.

Hey KullyKeemaKa , as the creator of this page can you please request it for semi-protection like the majority of pages. Pending change protection is ok but i think Cr1TiKaL is prominent enough to have semi-protection. Thank you. Hannahxo (talk) 11:30, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

@Hannahxo: I did not create this article, I only found it. But sure, I will request semi-protection. KullyKeemaKa (talk) 14:23, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

@Hannahxo: I have requested semi-protection for this article, I will let you know the outcome when I get it. KullyKeemaKa (talk) 18:20, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

@KullyKeemaKa: Hannahxo has been blocked as a sockpuppet and I don't think semi-protection would really help here. I commented on the request at WP:RPP; maybe extended-confirmed protection would be a better fit. ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 18:53, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

@ElHef: Thank you for the information. I will check out the comment. KullyKeemaKa (talk) 19:05, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

Angriest edit summaries I've seen so far

In my one year of editing on Wikipedia, I have never seen such angry edit summaries. In this topic, I will attach an image of the summaries, but please note that it contains vulgar language. It is best experienced read from bottom to top. L33tm4n (talk) 18:44, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

Fyi, this is Heffner000 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log). Hemiauchenia (talk) 19:56, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

I am already aware of this, but thanks for the information. L33tm4n (talk) 20:23, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

Dang bro, all that sodium can't be too good for him XD

But anyway, I just looked through his edit summaries and they seem to relate directly to a concern I had with this article, which I posted down below. If anyone is okay with the article using his YT videos as sources, then I'm cool too. He probably should've talked about it first before removing all that info. PantheonRadiance (talk) 20:38, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

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Uhh… is it acceptable to have this many primary sources?

Hey guys, what's up? This was something I wanted to talk about a couple weeks ago but I didn't have the time to post this, so I'm doing it now. So I took a glance at the article a couple weeks ago and noticed the sheer length of it. Normally this is fine for most Wikipedia articles, and especially more so with more notable figures who've accumulated a significant amount of attention from mainstream media. However, when I actually took a look at the first few parts of Cr1TiKaL’s career, namely everything from the “Content Format and Style” to about “Twitch streaming and increase in popularity,” I noticed that a large majority of the references used in those sections come mainly from videos uploaded on Charlie’s YouTube channel as opposed to independent, secondary sources. I already know that primary sources and self-published sources can be used for “uncontroversial self-descriptions” about the subject itself, so long as the information is relevant and isn’t just a bunch of trivial facts. Usually for the personal life of a subject, primary sources would work in this regard. My concern however is that for the career of a YouTuber and especially that of a BLP, these sections rely far too much on primary sources to justify them spanning relatively long paragraphs. I’m admittedly not an expert when it comes to evaluating sources, but with the amount of info extracted from these sources, wouldn’t this constitute as borderline original research? Some of these sources don’t even exactly support the claims made in these sections. For example, this claim right here

“White's videos and content has evolved over the years. In the beginning, the channel focused primarily on performing glitches in shooter games, such as Battlefield and Call of Duty, and later gaming guides for said games”

connects to a source which is a link to his YouTube video “Gears of War 2- Avoiding Danger by Flying.” The video in particular is just a 1 minute no-commentary clip of him playing the titular game. While it does somewhat support that he played FPS games, how does this one clip exactly support the rest of the claim? How does this one clip define the entirety of his early content style? How does it support how his content evolved over the years? It just seems like you guys took videos from aspects of his career without even so much as basing it off of secondary outlets; it seems like they serve to imply a conclusion about the evolution of his career without really confirming how he evolved in a secondary source. Most of these claims in his Career section seem like they should be from an extensive article or biography written about Charlie in detail, not a bunch of YouTube videos from him. If a New York Times article about Cr1TiKaL used his videos as evidence to support these claims, then perhaps those videos can be used as well alongside the article. However, with how many sources on this page come from his videos alone, I’m almost tempted to add a “This article relies too much on Primary Sources/Original Research” tag on it. On a quick glance I do see that The Daily Dot, The Guardian and Kotaku have been used as secondary sources to support info about his career. But for every one reliable and secondary source, there are like five sources which come from his content itself.

Anyway I digress. If other Wikipedia editors are cool with this, then I am too. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Otherwise, his Career section should probably be rewritten almost entirely. PantheonRadiance (talk) 20:29, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

@PantheonRadiance: While I also have a slight concern about the constant use of primary sources, I am a firm believer in using primary sources per WP:PRIMARYCARE. I agree, we should definitely clean up the "internet career" section, but...keep a few primary sources (per WP:PRIMARYCARE, as I said before) and don't remove too much. L33tm4n (talk) 18:10, 26 July 2021 (UTC)

@L33tm4n: Oh yeah, primary sources are fine to use under WP:PRIMARYCARE, and especially for facts about his personal life. I was just concerned that parts of his career were described a bit too much with those sources, and that secondary sources which talk about his content should also mix with them as well. If we could find some more sources for his career (which there should be plenty of), then that would be fine too; it's just all about balance :) PantheonRadiance (talk) 00:09, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

@PantheonRadiance: Just earlier today (in the United States), I cleaned up parts of the article. The "content format and style" section was removed, and a few other sections may be removed soon. I will also be removing some unnecessary information and a few more unneeded primary sources. L33tm4n (talk) 01:54, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

Associated acts

I will be pinging EthanRossie2000​ and ChicagoWikiEditor​ because they're important to this discussion. Per WP:ASSOCIATEDWITH, association does not mean categorization, so please stop adding associated acts that aren't mentioned anywhere in the article. L33tm4n (talk) 15:02, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

Bloated article

Hey i just started editing wikipedia recently but im a prominent wikitubia editor and i noticed that this article is written more like a youtube wiki rather than a wikipedia Biography of a living person in a lot of parts. Most prominent one i noticed is the inclusion of every single series charlie has done on his channel. I think that's unnecessary especially if there's no secondary sources to state and the only ones which had an impact on his career needs to be included as this isn't a youtube wiki article about Charlie's channel. As a long time viewer of charlie i would say they are funtactics, infomercials and among us(if you count that as a series). All the rest can be removed and this article can be made more slim. Also the "other ventures" section can be significantly cut down as there is already tables about his filmography and music. It can be condensed to just human media group and the citations can be moved to the tables. The article also goes into detail about skynut promotion for some reason with clue a,b,c which I don't think is significant at all to his career to be included especially as there is no secondary sources. Removing this can also help reduce the primary sources of this article. Let me know what you think✌️ Jaconsarto (talk) 14:52, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

@Jaconsarto: Though you can use primary sources per WP:PRIMARYCARE, I agree with your statement. Only include his best-known series; Moist Meter, Liquid Ladder, and Deep Dive respectively. I will also be removing insignificant info that doesn't have any secondary or tertiary sources to back it up, including the Clue videos. L33tm4n (talk) 21:54, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

@Jaconsarto: I just cleaned up the article by a good bit. L33tm4n (talk) 22:10, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

@Jaconsarto: Funnily enough, this was actually a concern I wrote about a couple weeks ago when I took a glance at the article (see "Uhh… is it acceptable to have this many primary sources?") and I was mulling over whether to put a "Primary Sources" tag on it. It looks like @L33tm4n: cleaned up the article quite a bit though, but there could be more done.

On a side note, one thing I'm really skeptical about is whether he actually appeared as an extra in The Hunger Games: Mockingjay - Part 1. I'm pretty sure he meant that as a joke, seeing as how no other sources (besides this one which I'm not sure if they actually fact-checked this claim beyond just watching his video about it) have actually covered it. PantheonRadiance (talk) 00:43, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

@PantheonRadiance: @L33tm4n: Moist meter, liquid ladder and deep dive i would say are the least career defining series. Funtactics, real series and among us are the series which have had a huge impact on his career and propelled him into popularity and deserves to be included, the rest can be removed as it mainly belongs in a youtube wiki rather than a BLP, except for moist meter as that actually has a secondary source. Jaconsarto (talk) 03:43, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Discography section removed

I removed the discography section which was in this revision of the article. I had several reasons in mind:

• First reason is that Cr1TiKaL is not your standard musician who depends on music releases and performances to make a living.
• Second reason is that it made Cr1TiKaL's musical output look far too important relative to everything else he does.
• Third reason is that the one album hasn't been released yet, so we don't know how much media attention it will receive. Until it gets some media ink it is not important.
• Fourth reason is that Cr1TiKaL's songs are not really singles with radio release dates and airplay. They are just music videos that he put together to further his humorous posts. The media mostly ignores these songs, making them unimportant.

I found a review of the song "Skynut", which helps to set the song in some context for the reader. (It's better for the reader that way.) Anything else written about Cr1TiKaL's music should be done with prose in the article body. Binksternet (talk) 03:44, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

Right, well Cr1TiKaL did just release an album, with vinyls coming out soon. This whole part is now outdated. Crazyeditor23 (talk) 13:28, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

Hypochondriac?

Under the 'Early and personal life' section of the article, it is claimed that "White has stated he is a hypochondriac." The claim provides a citation to a YouTube video of his discussing health and fitness. I watched the video, but could not find any indication where White claims he has hypochondria or has excessive and unduly worry about having a serious illness. The video is timestamped around the mid-way mark, and the topic of discussion are different types of diets to achieve specific health goals (i.e. Keto and intermittent fasting). He does provide a personal anecdote later on in the video, explaining he was overweight when he was younger and disliked his appearance -- that's not hypochondria. If someone could give the citation a review to see if it accurately describes the claim, that'd be great. Otherwise, it should be removed. CremationLily (talk) 12:08, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

I watched the video as well and agree that the claim that he's a hypochondriac is not supported by the source so I removed it. Qwaiiplayer (talk) 14:41, 2 October 2021 (UTC)

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Sections

Hello L33tm4n​, so you're telling me because "almost every article" has an early life section Cr1TiKaL needs to have one as well? I already mentioned why this format is better for this particular article and listed articles to show how this is a very common format on wikipedia: [5], which i'm guessing you just chose to ignore. The articles which have both 'Early life' and 'Personal life' sections are extensively supported by secondary/tertiary sources which this article simply does not have (i wish it did because i do think two sections looks better). In the split form the personal life section has mere two sentences and one source which is quite possibly a web scrapper site like the one editor Binksternet​ removed: [6]. I added this site to replace the horribly unreliable source that was there earlier: [7]. I'm still debating whether or not to keep this source for his girlfriend's name. I will tag Binksternet for his opinion as well. It also looks extremely bad for a WP:BLP when the very first section of the article is filled with primary sources all except one. Ignoring all of this i still do not understand why you keep bringing up MOS:BLPCHRONO in your edit summaries, because as per MOS:BLPCHRONO this format is absolutely fine. To go line by line, "In general, present a biography in chronological order, from birth to death", note "in general" not "must be" or "needs to be". Also by this logic shouldn't the girlfriend part be inside 'Internet career' section as it was in 2016 that they started dating and 'Personal life' section only comes after his entire career upto 2021? Second line, "except where there is good reason to do otherwise", which again here it is the lack of secondary/tertiary sources and content to support two separate sections like i mentioned in my edit summary. Third line, "Within a single section, events should almost always be in chronological order", this is part which always needs to be followed and this is not broken in the singular section format. I was honestly baffled by some of your recent edit summaries where you said stuff like "None of this needs to be sourced, he is an actor in these productions"[8] leading me to wonder for an editor with so many edits under your belt, if you even took time to read wikipedia policies such as WP:WHYCITE. But at the end of the day i digress, if you do choose to split the sections up again for some odd reason i won't interfere again like i'm doing now. No hard feelings, go ahead. I just don't understand what makes the Cr1TiKaL article so different or special from articles such as Markiplier or MrBeast. Happy editing! Jaconsurto (talk) 09:22, 25 September 2021 (UTC)

@Jaconsurto: That's a long paragraph, thank you for your input.

'Early life' - Actually, I'll let this one slide, though you should still consider other articles like DanTDM, Jacksepticeye, KSI, TommyInnit, and Vikkstar123, among others; you only mentioned two, Markiplier and MrBeast.

Filmography - I'll let this one slide, too. I misread WP:FILMOGRAPHY.

That's all, thanks. :) L33tm4n (talk) 16:00, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

@L33tm4n: I actually mentioned more than two articles: [9] and there are many more including huge articles such as Michael Jackson, Elvis Presley and William Shakespeare which do not follow the traditional WP:BLP format. Also articles such as Jacksepticeye and KSI are bad comparisons because their sections are extensively supported by secondary sources and on top of that KSI currently uses a combined format (even though there are enough secondary sources to support two sections). Jaconsurto (talk) 16:49, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

Shorten 'internet career' subsection titles?

Short titles for sections with long titles for subsections don't look good in the table of contents, so I'm looking to shorten the titles of the subsections in the 'internet career' section, but I can't really think of any simplified versions of their current titles. Any ideas? Thanks in advance. L33tm4n (talk) 00:59, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

@L33tm4n:, maybe just 'Early years and content evolution (2006–2017)' and Twitch streaming and continued growth (2018–present)'? I don't it's possible to make it shorter than 'Internet career' especially with the dates involved. Jaconsurto (talk) 05:52, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

@Jaconsurto: This doesn't sound too bad. L33tm4n (talk) 02:02, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

"Podcaster" in the opening sentence

111bbb assumes that "podcaster" belongs in the opening sentence. From what I have researched, this violates the "open para bio" policy; the first sentence should usually state, "3. Context (location, nationality, etc.) for the activities that made the person notable." As I explained in my edit summary reverting 111bbb's edit, The Official Podcast did not make White notable; in fact, the podcast itself has no reliable sources to support it. If anyone has any opposing research, don't hesitate to reply. Thanks. L33tm4n (talk) 18:48, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

@L33tm4n: Thank you for starting a discussion. The reason I said it should be added is because the official podcast IS notable. It consistently ranks on Spotify and Apple podcast charts as one of the top listened comedy podcasts in many countries every single month and from 2016-2018 it was inside top #50 in America. It's still inside top #50 and top #100 in many other countries even today. Everything I'm saying is easily verifiable through any websites which track podcast data and charts (chartable for example). Secondly like I said in my edit summary podcasting is one of White's 3 primary occupations along with "YouTuber" and "Twitch streamer" and he has been doing it consistently for years now starting from 2016, even before he started streaming on twitch. So i think it definitely deserves a mention in the lead. I'm not asking to include actor or musician, those can remain in the infobox. 111bbb (talk) 13:46, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

@111bbb: Thank you for your bold response. Per WP:INHERENTWEB, fame does not mean notability; while it may be ranked pretty high on podcast lists, it does not meet general notability requirements, and, as such, cannot be used. L33tm4n (talk) 01:35, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 December 2021

Change "Cr1TiKaL (/ˈkrɪtɪkəl/ KRIT-ih-kəl)" to "Cr1TiKaL (pronunced "critical")" because "Cr1TiKaL" and "MoistCr1TiKaL" are just respellings of "Critical" and "Moist Critical", which fits the exception on MOS:PRON. 61.6.10.61 (talk) 01:52, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

 Done. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (talk) 03:46, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

Charlie's full name

Hello, I was making some edits to the article and I noticed that in the article White's full name is written as "Charles White Jr." Now I've been a Charlie fan for a long long time and I have watched pretty much all of his videos and I have never even once heard him say his name contained "Jr." Whenever he talks about himself in third person he usually just calls himself "Charles White" or just "Charles" and even some of his videos contains his full name in the title (Like the video "Charles White in College") So I started checking all the primary sources listed in the article and to no surprise there is not a single video listed in the article where he calls himself "Charles White Jr." Obviously as you may realise secondary sources after the creation of the wikipedia page are unreliable here as the author of the secondary source will simply check this wikipedia page and copy his name from the article thinking its accurate. So at this point in time the only secondary sources which are reliable are the ones where the man himself was involved in, like when he gave interviews to publications. So I started searching the article for them and found the only ones are when he gave interviews to the press when his ball pit video went viral and in that article he is referred simply as "Charlie", no mention of "Jr." whatsoever. The only source I could find in the article from his school days is the maxpreps page about his basketball record and there he is called "Charlie White", again no "Jr." So unless the man himself comes out and says that his name contains "Jr." or there is a tweet or video from him that I'm missing the article needs to be fixed immediately. HappyGoLucky7 (talk) 18:41, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

@HappyGoLucky7: I just found a video titled Meet The Future of eSports. At 0:07, White says, "And that future has a name: it's Charles White Sr.." Knowing him, he's probably being sarcastic, but I also noticed that his father set his in-game name as "Charles White". He may just never use the "Jr." in his name, but he could, in fact, be a Jr.. L33tm4n (talk) 06:35, 30 December 2021 (UTC)

@L33tm4n: I'm 99.9% certain he's being sarcastic as in the video 'Moist Meter: God of War' at the 1:07 mark he talks about how if he has a son it will dumb if he names him "Charlie" as that is the same name as him and basically that he will use "Jr." for his son, that means Charlie is basically implying that he is not a "Jr.". Also I found more proof that can be used as a secondary source in the article, so in the about section of the spotify of 'The Gentle Men', he is written as "Charlie White: Vocals", again no mention of "Jr." and this is a secondary source that Charlie had involvement in the creation of. HappyGoLucky7 (talk) 06:58, 30 December 2021 (UTC)

L33tm4n​, EthanRossie2000​: It seems that another editor has changed his name back and sourced it using a DEADLINE article (written after the creation of the wikipedia page of course), and to be honest I say let's just leave it like that for now as even though there is a lot of evidence that his name might not contain "Jr.", I'm not gonna lie I was definitely thrown off by L33tm4n pointing out his dad's name being "Charles White" in the game and him calling him "Charles white Sr." and the more I think about it the less I feel like he was being sarcastic. WP:RS does not concern with when the secondary source was written, so as of right now "Charles White Jr." sourced with the DEADLINE article is completely fine and not non-problamatic. HappyGoLucky7 (talk) 16:56, 30 December 2021 (UTC)

@HappyGoLucky7: Sounds good, thanks. L33tm4n (talk) 19:22, 30 December 2021 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 30 January 2022

Minor spelling fix - in the first section, “signifcant” should be “significant”. DubiousPedantry (talk) 02:13, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

 Done Fixed, thanks! aboideau^{talk to me!} 02:33, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 22 April 2022

Edit for clarity: cut "the following years of" from "He has gained significant coverage over the following years of his online career." Afranta (talk) 21:13, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

 Done. Thank you. Pabsoluterince (talk) 23:04, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

Charlies SAT score

He mentioned he obtained a score of 800 (or close to 800) on his SATs at around the 1 minute mark on his video, titled "Finally A Game for Chads". May be a good piece of information to add to his "Personal Life" subsection. 123.243.63.50 (talk) 23:18, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

@123.243.63.50: It's most likely satire. Unless there's a reliable source to back it up, I'm gonna have to deny this, I'm sorry. L33tm4n (talk) 20:10, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 September 2022

Served as a voice actor for the "Kestrel Adventure" series on youtube which lasted from 2015 to 2022, voices Nils and Dag Keys. Might be worth adding to his media section? Terbish01 (talk) 08:51, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

"FTL Kestrel Adventures" sorry Terbish01 (talk) 08:53, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

I tried to link the actual video where he is listed but it seems like youtube is flagged. If you look at the final episode of the series he is listed in the credits, and makes an appearance throughout various episodes of the series as his two characters. I don't really know how else to prove it, as i can't exactly attach media to this text. Terbish01 (talk) 05:20, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 09:41, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

Application for pending changes protection

I've applied for this page to have pending changes protection due to consistent and persistent vandalism; see WP:RFP Detetrident (talk) 06:18, 8 April 2023 (UTC)

Updating the subscribers count

I cant find the 8.49 subscribers count in the source editing and i want to update it Greatfloorpads (talk) 13:04, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

You have to go to wikidata.org, find Cr1TiKal, and change his subscriber count. TomMasterReal^TALK 01:10, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

Sneako Drama

I'm surprised that this hasn't been added. I think the whole beef between him and Sneako should be added, considering its extensive coverage and escalatory rhetoric. Crusader1096 (message) 17:54, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

If you can find independent coverage from WP:RS then be WP:BOLD and add it yourself. Qwaiiplayer (talk) 18:42, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

@Knightoftheswords281 ikr 50.34.152.106 (talk) 21:43, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

Youtube as source

@Soulbust: The Youtube videos are not appropriate sources. The video which is used to source his claim of having OCD doesn't even say that he was diagnosed with OCD. Also per WP:ABOUTSELF, "the material is neither unduly self-serving nor an exceptional claim;" and there is no way of determining whether this is true. We can't tell if this is sensationalised, exaggerated or outright made up for whatever reason. I'm aware that influencers have used illnesses to gain attention or sympathy. I don't understand why you reverted without first discussing as it's quite obvious that restoring the content is incorrect. Willbb234 23:04, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

@Willbb234: I suppose that's true that that some influencers can use illnesses to gain attention or sympathy, though Charlie already had ample attention prior to the video being posted. I don't believe I added that source, so I didn't check through the video to see if it did indeed cite that information. But saying one has OCD checks both the "neither unduly self-serving" and the "nor an exceptional claim" boxes. Not sure what else you want in that regard. Imo it's a non-issue either way as that info isn't really something necessary to include in or so pointless as to exclude from the article. And because of that, don't think it needed a whole talk page discussion on the matter; also because, again, WP:ABOUTSELF allows for such sourcing to be used for such information. If the sourcing doesn't cite the issue, that is a different matter, and that's my bad for not checking through it completely. If you want to take it to the talk page discussion, that's obviously fair but tbh I just don't have the energy to discuss if Charlie having OCD should be included in the article or not. Soulbust (talk) 23:21, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

Removal of the claim makes sense. Unless there’s RS highlighting any such medical disorders we might as well remove mention of it per WP:INDISCRIMINATE. Pabsoluterince (talk) 08:07, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

Charlie's second channel

Charlie's second youtube channel, Moist Charlie Clips, should be added to the page. Chri421stian (talk) 19:54, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

Been thinking about adding that channel to the infobox, but you don't seem to elaborate your point. Could you make a proper counter-case against WP:ELMIN and WP:INFOBOXPURPOSE? Even if it's his livestream highlights channel I don't see it as exceptional compared to his main one. Carlinal (talk) 19:46, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

White's ancestry

Completely unrelated if not off topic, but hey should we add about Charles's ancestries to his personal life section, the "DNA Test" video (click it here) that is uploaded from Charle's channel shows his ancestries from various countries and continents and such, taken from 23andMe, just asking you know what do you guys think? Akram GameYT (talk) 16:19, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

I put it in, but you may have to change it Cali Boy 09 (talk) 19:58, 5 January 2024 (UTC)