Talk:Crusade of Varna

Serbia

Please do not rewrite history. Serbs made peace with the Turks and betrayed the Christians. Painful, yes, true, yes! http://books.google.com/books?um=1&q=varna+serbs+1444+peace

Keep it Fake (talk) 20:15, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Indeed they didn't, it needs to be removed. " Despot Djuradj Branković did not participate in the Crusade, launched by the Hungarians, that ended in a crushing defeat at Varna in 1444." - Ga ́bor A ́goston, ‎Bruce Alan Masters, "Encyclopedia of the Ottoman empire". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jotaro97 (talk • contribs) 06:22, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

Branković did not participate in the Crusade of Varna. He did participate earlier and contributed to Peace of Szeged, however he didn't join the coalition that broke the peace, nor did he contribute to Ottoman victory. He restored entirety of his despotate and was desperate to consolidate his power by not participating in the Ottoman-Hungarian war. A book with a beautiful title that was used as a source for his alleged betrayal is nothing more then one in a sea of books of Balkan nationalistic quasi-historians.

Lazarus 92 (talk) 06:39, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

Merger proposal

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

The result of this discussion was to Merge. NukeofEarl (talk) 15:39, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

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I propose that Long campaign be merged into Crusade of Varna. I think that those two articles are on exactly the same subject and having the same scope. I think that the content in the Long campaign article can easily be explained in the context of Crusade of Varna, and the Crusade of Varna article is of a reasonable size in which the merging of Long campaign will not cause any problems as far as article size or undue weight is concerned. Antidiskriminator (talk) 10:39, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Combatants

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IP editor persistently adds (diff) very long list of combatants which does not follow what template for this field recommends. Very long list of every entity which existed in countries whose forces took part in this conflict, although many of them, if not all, are completely insignificant and subordinated to the chain of command on the country level. I propose to restore previous versions of the infobox which is more informative and follows recommendation for combatant field. Any objections? 82.75.5.145 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)?--Antidiskriminator (talk) 10:13, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

Early fighting

I put back the involvement of the Karamanids which had beend deleted. I've checked the source cited (Colin Imbert) and he explicitely say )page 16) that the Karamanids attacked before the Hungarians were ready. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gannicus1 (talk • contribs) 18:36, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

Ladislaus the Posthumous

[...] led by King Ladislaus the Posthumous of Hungary, [...]

Wasn't he a 3-year-old when the crusade started?

--178.183.236.119 (talk) 21:54, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

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The Long campaign and Crusade of Varna were different wars

The Long Campaign resulted in armistice and peace treaty, the Ottomans lost that campaign. The Crusada of Varna in the next year was a newer war. So it must be mentioned in a different new article. --Filederchest (talk) 21:11, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

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