Talk:Daisy Myers

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by MeegsC (talk) 16:45, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

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• ... that the 2017 film Suburbicon was partly inspired by the African American Daisy Myers' family, who faced racially-charged harassment and violence in all-white Levittown, Pennsylvania? (Source: "The Myers family, who were African-American, moved into a cookie-cutter suburb populated entirely by white people in the summer of 1957. It’s the true story that inspired Clooney’s Suburbicon, (...)", Hollywood Reporter)
• ALT1 ... that the 2017 film Suburbicon was inspired by Daisy Myers' family, who faced racially-charged harassment and violence in all-white Levittown, Pennsylvania? (Source: "The Myers family, who were African-American, moved into a cookie-cutter suburb populated entirely by white people in the summer of 1957. It’s the true story that inspired Clooney’s Suburbicon, (...)", Hollywood Reporter)

• Review: Katherine, Lady Berkeley

Created by NoonIcarus (talk) and Kingsif (talk). Nominated by NoonIcarus (talk) at 13:43, 31 March 2021 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy compliance:

• Adequate sourcing: - need a citation for "Rosa Parks of the North"
• Neutral:
• Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: - Earwig found major similarities to sources like [1], [2], and [3]. This will need to be rewritten to avoid copyright issues.

Hook eligibility:

• Cited:
• Interesting: - hook is fine but I would just cite THR and say "inspired" instead of "partly inspired"
• Other problems: - kind of long, I don't think the "African American" specification is needed in the hook as it's obvious given the "racially-charged harassment" in an all-white town

QPQ: Done.

Overall: @NoonIcarus: see above. The major issue is the copyvio which needs to be remedied before this can be approved. Let me know if you have any questions. DanCherek (talk) 21:02, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

• @NoonIcarus: You need to address the close paraphrasing issues, or this nomination will be closed. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:18, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

@Cwmhiraeth: Thank you very much for the reminder! I forgot this was due for correction. @DanCherek: I have written a different hook hoping to solve the issues at hand and done my best to solve the copyvio problems. Please let me know if there are further improvements left. Best regards! --NoonIcarus (talk) 15:04, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

@NoonIcarus: I looked at this diff to see the changes since March; it looks like you went through and substituted some words within each sentence but the overall sentence structures remain the same. I'm afraid this still has parts that are very closely paraphrased from the sources. While facts are not copyrightable, creative elements of presentation – including both structure and language – are. As an example:

Source: Levittown police failed to enforce the court ordered protection for the Myers, prohibiting more than three people from assembling near the residence at once. Mobs consequently gathered in this fashion each night, only finally subsiding due to interference from the state police.

Article: The town's police failed to enforce the court ordered protection for the Myers, which prohibited that more than three people assembled close to the house at once. Mobs consequently gathered similarly each night and only finally subsided due to the intervention from the state police.

There are other passages that similarly follow quite closely. It's hard to avoid close paraphrasing when you start from content pasted in from elsewhere; the best way to revise it is to rewrite from scratch to avoid infringement. Wikipedia:Close paraphrasing has some tips for doing that. DanCherek (talk) 15:26, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

@DanCherek: Hi. Many thanks for sharing WP:CLOP with me, I wasn't aware of it before. Based on the same diff, I have tried to change the structure of both the mentioned paragraph as well as the other sentences which words have been paraphrased. I'll look forward to do the same with any other possible sentences in the same conditions. --NoonIcarus (talk) 19:01, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

No, there is still close paraphrasing / copying of phrases from sources. For example:

Source: This led to an injunction and criminal charges against the harassers while Myers and their supporters refused to surrender and received national acclaim for their efforts.

Article: The police intervention led to an injunction and criminal charges against the attackers; the Myers and their supporters refused to give up, receiving national acclaim for their efforts.

—DanCherek (talk) 00:12, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

• Comment. The cited reference for the hook does not state that Levittown was all white. That demographical assertion in the hook and the article is problematic.4meter4 (talk) 00:13, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
• Comment I've given it a copyedit, resolving close para and hopefully the "all-white" concern; however there is one permanent dead link by the looks of it, and a few things need clarifying that I couldn't immediately find in sources, which I've tagged. Kingsif (talk) 11:47, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

  Thanks Kingsif, stellar work. I've replaced the dead link with a new one to the same article. As you're now a significant contributor to the page (by XTools' count) and have done a lot of work for this nomination, would you like a co-DYKmake credit? Also pinging NoonIcarus to see if they can help resolve the three clarification-needed tags in the article. This is almost ready to go. DanCherek (talk) 12:03, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

• @DanCherek: Well I won't turn down a credit ;) Hope it goes well Kingsif (talk) 12:09, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
• @DanCherek and Kingsif: Hi! Thank you so much for the help! I have taken a look at the tags and I can say the following:

• From what I gather, buying the house from a resident already in the neighborhood instead of the Levitt organization was the only way to bypass its discrimination. Justice Network says that this did not prevent a European-American family from reselling a home to an African-American family and Hollywood Reporter goes into more detail saying According to an interview with Clooney, developer William Levitt was a bigot who wouldn’t rent to the Myers. Instead of obeying the law, he sold off the property. A Jewish couple sold their home to the Myers and pandemonium ensued immediately.. I am not sure which information could be included or how to phrase this.
• Justice Network's article appears to say that the court order took place at least during or before the first two weeks when the family moved. However, it also states that when they first moved there were already four policemen in their lawn, meaning it could have taken place before, maybe after the purchase took place. I have not found similar information in the rest of the references.
• Legacy's obituary does not specify whose YWCA board Daisy belonged to, but most of it seems to otherwise talk about York, Pennsylvania. I fear including this could amount to original research, though. NoonIcarus (talk) 21:28, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

• @NoonIcarus: Thanks, what do you think of these changes? Kingsif (talk) 04:38, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

• @Kingsif: They're alright! Thank you once again! Pinging @DanCherek: NoonIcarus (talk) 10:05, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Looks good to me, approving. Thanks all! DanCherek (talk) 14:03, 20 May 2021 (UTC)