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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 20:53, 3 October 2019 (UTC)

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• Daryl Peach
• 2010 World Team Championship

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• ... that pool player Daryl Peach had to be separated from Earl Strickland after a match at the 2007 Mosconi Cup? Source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/lancashire/content/articles/2007/12/17/cue_sports_mosconi_win_2007.shtml
  • ALT1:... that Daryl Peach won the 1995 European Pool Masters having only taken up pool earlier that year? Source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/lancashire/content/articles/2006/04/19/cue_sports_daryl_peach_profile.shtml
  • ALT2:... that Daryl Peach won the 2007 WPA World Nine-ball Championship despite Francisco Bustamante celebrating a victory over him in the quarter-finals? Source: https://www.azbilliards.com/news/stories/3859-peach-eliminates-bustamante-in-controversial-match/
  • ALT3:... that at the 2010 World Team Championship pool event, a first-to-six-racks playoff match was won by Daryl Peach but finished 27-25? "BBC Sport - Great Britain win WPA world pool title". BBC. Retrieved 24 August 2019.https://www.azbilliards.com/news/stories/6371-world-team-championship-final-four/

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Su Shuyang
• Comment: Sadly, I don't have any pictures :/ - There's a tonne of interesting things here, but these ones stick out. The team one is my choice, as the team article also meets the criteria, so it's preferable for two noms. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 22:09, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

5x expanded by Lee Vilenski (talk). Self-nominated at 14:52, 24 August 2019 (UTC).

• Lee Vilenski, please note that you will need to supply a second QPQ review, one per each article used in the hook, since you prefer the double hook ALT3. Thanks! BlueMoonset (talk) 03:54, 8 September 2019 (UTC)

• BlueMoonset I had no idea that's how it worked, thanks for letting me know! No worries, I'll review Template:Did you know nominations/Schreber's yellow bat now. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:43, 8 September 2019 (UTC)

• These two articles are new enough and long enough. The articles are neutral and I detected no copyright or plagiarism issues. Two QPQs have been done. If we are wanting a two-article hook, we are looking at ALT3. Now I am familiar with snooker and its scoring, but not pool. I can see the hook facts in both articles, so please tell me how the tiebreaker works. Was Peach involved in all of these frames or did he just clinch the match? Why does the article mention Britain in one place and the United Kingdom elsewhere? Should the hook mention the nationality of the team involved? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 10:11, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

• thanks for the review Cwmhiraeth, the playoff isn't a normal thing in pool, it was specific for this tournament. So, it was a playoff match with a first to six frames, but each team had to win by two frames. It was also in rotation, so the interesting bit is that the match was tied for such a long time, and that Peach was the one (out of four) that won the match. The thing about the countries was the sourcing was in German for some of the articles, I'm pretty sure it was a British team, rather than a United Kingdom, but I don't think there are any Irish pool players regardless. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:48, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

• Would you be happy with ALT3a? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:24, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

• • ALT3a:... that at the 2010 World Team Championship pool event, a first-to-six-racks playoff match was won by Daryl Peach, with the final tally at 27–25?
    • Yeah, I'd sign off on that. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:11, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
      • I'm approving ALT3a. Rest of the review is per Cwmhiraeth. SL93 (talk) 22:53, 19 September 2019 (UTC)

• Hi, I came by to promote ALT3a, but it just seems like a straight score line: Person wins match with this score. If it's so interesting that it was tied for so long, maybe say that in the article and hook. If the playoff match was unique to the tournament, say that in the hook. Yoninah (talk) 11:53, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

Sorry didn't realise this had stalled. This one is quite similar to the Isner Vs Mahut Wimbledon match, in that it was a best-of-11-racks match, but in total 52 racks were played. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 20:38, 3 October 2019 (UTC)

• • • ALT3b:... that at the 2010 World Team Championship pool event, a first-to-six-racks playoff match was won by Daryl Peach after 52 racks?

• Yes, thanks, that works better for novices like me. Restoring tick for ALT3b per Cwmhiraeth's and SL93's reviews. Yoninah (talk) 20:49, 3 October 2019 (UTC)

GA Review

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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This review is transcluded from Talk:Daryl Peach/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Bobbychan193 (talk · contribs) 19:14, 21 September 2019 (UTC)

First GAN review; hope this goes somewhat smoothly. Bobbychan193 (talk) 19:14, 21 September 2019 (UTC)

Lead

• "is an English professional pool player, from Castleford, West Yorkshire, who now resides in Blackpool, England." delete comma before from; change "who now resides" to "now residing"; add link to Blackpool; delete England and replace with the province Blackpool is in (and link it)

That's an American thing. (And a frustrating one), place names outside of the US do not use this. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 09:03, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

Sounds good; I was just concerned about consistency. Make sure you address the other concerns though. Bobbychan193 (talk) 19:06, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

• Add "after" before "defeating"

reworded Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:05, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

• "the Philippines'" is this needed?

This is quite common to mention player's nationalities. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:05, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

I agree, but I'm not sure if this is lead-worthy information. It's fine if it's in the body. Bobbychan193 (talk) 19:06, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

• "in the final 17–15" move score before "in the final"

 Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:05, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

• Link "nine-ball world championship"

 Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:05, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

• "partnering Mark Gray" so Gray was his partner? For all six occasions? Maybe move this phrase earlier ("Partnering with Mark Gray and representing England, [...]"
  •  Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:05, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
• "Great Britain" is there a difference between GB and England? If not, use only one for consistency

Explained later, but yes there is. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 09:03, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

Ok. Bobbychan193 (talk) 19:06, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

• "1995 event" can a link be added?

Commented later Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:05, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

Ok. Bobbychan193 (talk) 19:06, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

• "UK rankings, European tour rankings, and WPA World rankings" any links for these?

It's something I would like to do at some point, for the later two... But it's not something I really have time to do at the moment. A redlink doesn't feel right either, as the ranking themselves aren't particularly notable. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:05, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

Ok. Bobbychan193 (talk) 19:06, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

• "from 2007 until 2012" change "until" to "to"; add links if possible. Also, 2007 to 2012 is 6 years inclusive, so which four years did he win?

There are several events per year (5-10 usually) and the article goes into this. The dates are to give the years that events were won, rather than just say "Peach won four events". I am planning to do some Draft:2019 Euro Tour Season articles, but it's a long way away. The years themselves seem plenty. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:05, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

Ok. Bobbychan193 (talk) 19:06, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

Infobox

• No picture? Not a big deal if there are no free-use ones available, but try to add one.

Nope, bane of my life. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 08:39, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

Unfortunate. Oh well. Bobbychan193 (talk) 19:06, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

• "Nine-Ball (2007)" lowercase b

 Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:05, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

• No ranking info?

I added his highest WPA ranking. The rest is generated from Template:Infobox pool player/rankings, which needs updating. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:05, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

Ok. Bobbychan193 (talk) 19:06, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

• Add nicknames "Razzle Dazzle" and "Dazzler" (from citation #1)
  •  Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:05, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

Prose

Overall reminders and comments

• Make sure there aren't any duplicate Wikilinks throughout the body of the article (per MOS)
  • Got them - there was only two Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:30, 23 September 2019 (UTC)
• "English, British, Great Britain, United Kingdom, England" a lot of different terms used throughout the article that seem to mean the same (or almost the same) thing. I suggest being consistent and sticking to one terminology for the ones that mean the same thing. If any are different, say so / explain in the first instance.

They are different. Much in the same way as "the Americas", North America and the United States of America are different. It's not up for this article to explain the difference between them. If you fancy being ultra confused, there is also the British Isles. He is English (as in, he is a citizen of England), has represented England, but some sports has represented Great Britain (such as at the World Cup of Pool). This isn't something that is unique to pool. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 08:47, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

Sounds good. What's the difference between England and United Kingdom? Can we replace UK with England? And can all instances of "British" be replaced by "English"? Bobbychan193 (talk) 19:12, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

To make things simple, England is a country. Great Britain (is an few countries as one (including Scotland and Wales.) The United Kingdom also includes Northern Ireland - note, there is more to it than this, there's places like the Isle of Man and Jersey but that just adds to the issue - I can't simply change these, they are different things. Certain sporting competitions feature players representing the different sovereign states. British is fundamentally different from English in a lot of cases. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 20:10, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

Alright. I trust your judgement on this. Bobbychan193 (talk) 20:19, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

• "partnering xyz" I don't know if I like this format. If it's part of cue sports MOS or something, then it's fine. If not, but it's grammatically correct, then that's fine as well. Otherwise, change all instances to "partnering with xyz"
• Try to add free-use pictures throughout the article (if they are available).
  • I would recommend looking for cue sports in general in wikicommons, it's very empty. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 08:47, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

Unfortunate. Bobbychan193 (talk) 19:12, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

Tell me about it Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 20:10, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

Snooker and transition to pool (1991-1995)

• "1991-1995" en dash

 Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:22, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

• "Born in [...]" change this sentence. Say "Peach was born on 8 March 1972 in [...]" and have a source if not already

 Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:22, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

• "Castleford, Lancashire, England" inconsistent with lead. Change province, delete England

Disagree with removing England here. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:22, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

Ok. Bobbychan193 (talk) 19:14, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

• "Peach moved to Blackpool when he was fourteen" make this its own sentence

 Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:22, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

• "reaching a ranking of 250th" was this his peak ranking? And on what ranking system? Clarify

 Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:22, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

• "where he lost 4–5 to Matthew Stevens" comma before "where"; would it be better to say "5–4" instead? And put the score after "Stevens"

Usually scores are done for the person you are talking about. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:22, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

Ok. Just be consistent throughout the article; I noticed both formats. Bobbychan193 (talk) 19:14, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

• "1995 European Pool Masters" link if possible. I don't mind redlinks
  • I would, but this event is borderline notable. We have later day events in the series, such as the 2019 World Pool Masters, but I'm not sure it was as notable back then Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 08:49, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

Ok. Bobbychan193 (talk) 19:14, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

• "Peach won the event" add comma

I think the copyedit removed this.  Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:22, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

Ok. Bobbychan193 (talk) 19:14, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

• "at age 23 years and 3 months" change to "at the age of 23 years and three months"

 Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:22, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

• "This success led to him being asked" rephrase to something like "Following his win, he was asked [...]"
• "partnering Kendal, Oliver Ortmann, Tom Storm and snooker players Steve Davis, Alex Higgins and Ronnie O'Sullivan" has parallelism issues. If the first three players are nine-ball players, say something like "partnering with nine-ball players Kendal, Oliver Ortmann, and Tom Storm, as well as snooker players Steve Davis, Alex Higgins, and Ronnie O'Sullivan" (also make sure to be consistent throughout with or without the serial comma)

wrote "pool player", as strictly speaking, they all play nine-ball. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:22, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

Ok. Bobbychan193 (talk) 19:14, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

• "Europe won the series, 16–15," say "Team Europe" if appropriate; delete comma after "series"; change comma to semicolon after the score

 Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:23, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

• "and play pool instead" change to "opting to play pool instead"

 Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:23, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

Post European Masters (1996–2004)

• "The following year" replace with actual year, i.e. "In 1996"
  •  Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:21, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
• "European Masters" is there a link for that year's event?

Nope Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:21, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

Ok. Bobbychan193 (talk) 19:17, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

• "Tom Storm" link if notable

Wasn't he already linked? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:21, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

You're right. Bobbychan193 (talk) 19:17, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

• "1997 event" link

Same as before Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:21, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

Ok. Bobbychan193 (talk) 19:17, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

• "defeated Leonardo Andam and Ralf Souquet 2–1" did he defeat both players together or separately?

clarified Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:21, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

• "American" is this needed?

Well, it was a European championship, and was recently changed to a World event. The fact his opponent was American seems relevant Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:21, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

Ok. Bobbychan193 (talk) 19:17, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

• "0–2" again, would it be better for this to say "2–0"? I'm unfamiliar with cue sports MOS, so pick one format and be consistent throughout the article. I won't be commenting on this again.

It's a sports thing Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:21, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

Ok. Bobbychan193 (talk) 19:17, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

• "consistently" I don't like this word. Does it mean he's performing consistently, or simply consistently participating? Delete the word or replace with something less ambiguous.

removed Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:21, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

• "any tournaments" change to "any tournament"; also consider being more clear here (i.e. "any ranking tournament")

done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:21, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

• "round of 16" vs. "last 16": pick one and be consistent throughout the article. Won't be commenting on this again.

Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:21, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

• "2004 WPA World Eight-ball Championship" link

Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:21, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

• "Austria Open" and "German Open" link

Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:21, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

• Serial comma (or not)

Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:21, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

• "runner-up to Oliver Ortmann" seems a bit out of place here. Separate the German Open part into its own sentence.

Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:21, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

United Kingdom number one (2005–2006)

• "2005–2006" change to "2005–06" per MOS

Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:11, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

• "Belgium and Swiss Opens" "German and Costa Del Sol Opens" "Austria Open" links if possible

Same deal, it's not on the German wiki, so I haven't linked it Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:11, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

• Serial comma (or not)

 Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:11, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

• "WPA World Eight-ball Championships" link

 Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:11, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

• "His results for the season meant Peach became" change to "His season results led him to become [...]"

 Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:11, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

• "United Kingdom for the first time" change to "United Kingdom, a career first" or "United Kingdom, a career first for Peach"

 Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:11, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

• "South Korean" link (if there's an article about "Cue sports in South Korea" or something, do that; if not, South Korea is fine)
• "Jeong Young-hwa and Lee Gun-jae" link if notable

I really don't think they are. As seen elsewhere, there's a lot more pool players than snooker players, but the guideline for notability is harder to establish. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:11, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

• "in the first round" move to the beginning of the sentence: "In the first round, [...]"

 Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:11, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

• "9–6 but" change to "9–6, but"

 Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:11, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

• Add "(IPT)" after the full name

 Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:11, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

• "He played in both the IPT World Open eight-ball, reaching the last 64 and the IPT North American Open reaching the last 16" restructure this sentence. Put the tournaments first, then put the results, and add "respectively" at the end. Also add links if notable

 Done - Probably notable events, but I doubt they would ever get made into an article. The article for the promotion would show how much of a mess the whole thing is International Pool Tour. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:11, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

• "IPT World Open eight-ball" if "eight-ball" is part of the tournament name, capitalize
  • It wasn't. The event was the IPT World Open, but he competed in eight-ball. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:11, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

World nine-ball champion (2007)

• This section seems a little long. It's only one year (2007), but it spans four paragraphs that take up a lot of the article. This potentially raises concerns about undue weight; even if this section isn't overly detailed, this would suggest that the rest of the article is not detailed enough. I don't want you to have to write a lot of new content for the rest of the article (and it might be really hard to find sources about events that occurred 15 to 30 years ago). As such, even if Peach had some amazing achievements in 2007, try to cut this section down a bit. Delete any content that doesn't really matter in a biographical article about Peach. (I.e. A lot of the details and minutia regarding individual matches can be placed in each tournament's article, but they don't really matter in this article.) I'll review this section last, after you're done trimming it.  Pending Bobbychan193 (talk) 04:00, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

I'm not really sure what you want. It was his biggest triumph, he won the world championship. The title win was also marred with controversy, after his win over Van Boening. I could split the section, but I really don't think it needs any splitting upm section headers are used to fund specific information, I feel it's of correct size, and an WP:UNDUE argument could only be established if the event wasn't that important to the subject. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 08:55, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

I guess my main issue with it is that it has a lot of specific details. For example, "commented in an interview with the BBC" can be shortened to "commented in a BBC interview", "told BBC", or even just "commented". Also, the entire second and third paragraphs seem to revolve around one event. They're really detailed, and they seem like a play-by-play of individual games. These details would be fine on an article like 2007 WPA Men's World Nine-ball Championship, where the details of individual games would be okay and even welcomed. I just personally think the details are a bit excessive for a biographical article. If you really want to keep everything, that's fine, and I'll review this section as is. Bobbychan193 (talk) 19:26, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

The above remark is right, and I've changed. It's by far the most notable part of his career, and going into depths about how he won his sole world championship is right. I'll see if I can cut stuff. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:13, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

I'd mention that most of the issues you are having revolve around his match with Bustamante, which certainly isn't worth cutting, and then the bit on the Mosconi Cup, which almost had a fist-fight. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:15, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

Alright. I’ll review this section later today. Bobbychan193 (talk) 18:47, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

• "Peach's 2007 season began with his first tournament win since 1995." seems a little awkward; can we rephrase? "In 2007, Peach won his first tournament since 1995."

 Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:32, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

• "Having won" change to "After winning"

 Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:32, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

• "November 2007" delete 2007 (because it's repeated later in the tournament name itself)

 Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:32, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

• "He won his double elimination round, before defeating Ronato Alcano 10–6, Lee Kung-fang 10–7 and Harald Stolka 11–5" is this before or during the double elimination round? A little confusing

After. He won his double elimination round (like a group), and defeated those guys in the knockout. Reworded Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:32, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

• add comma after "10–7"

 Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:32, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

• "There Peach" add a comma after "There"

 Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:32, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

• "trailed at" delete "at"

 Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:32, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

• "declared it was a foul" add comma after "foul"

 Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:32, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

• "Peach ball in hand" can we say "Peach the ball in hand" or "Peach a ball in hand" for better flow?

 Not done Grammatically this is correct. Ball in hand is a technical phrase, and is used in this way. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:32, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

• "to win" change to "winning"

 Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:32, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

• "The semi-final featured Peach defeat" change to "The semi-final featured Peach defeating" or "In the semi-final, Peach defeated"

 Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:32, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

• "The table for the final had been swapped with another played on less often during the week. Both players failed to play well." change to "The table for the final was swapped with another less-used table. Both players failed to play well."

 Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:32, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

• "five rack lead" change to "five-rack lead"

 Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:32, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

• "The match was later tied at 12–12, and later 15–15" two "later"s; change to "The match became tied at 12–12, and later 15–15"

 Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:32, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

• "9-ball, however" change comma to semicolon

 Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:32, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

• "Stepanov and" comma before "and"

 Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:32, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

• "3–6 and losing two more" change to "3–6, as well as losing two more"

 Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:32, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

• "Peach commented that his opponent was "scum of the earth"" change to "Peach called his opponent the "scum of the earth""

 Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:32, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

Reigning world champion (2008–2010)

• "significantly more tournaments" (or delete if this is original research)
  • deleted Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:20, 23 September 2019 (UTC)
• "the American team of" change to "American players"
  • But it was the American team. The World Cup of Pool is a national team (pairs) competition. So, each pair represents a nation. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:20, 23 September 2019 (UTC)
• "With the World Nine-ball Championship having been cancelled" change to "The 2009 World Nine-ball Championship was cancelled, so Peach retained"
  •  Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:20, 23 September 2019 (UTC)
• I like what you did with the German articles. If other events don't have their own articles to link to, consider doing this for those events where possible.

Yeah, I already had. I've been through the vast majority of the German wiki creating articles, but they have years of Euro Tour and player articles I haven't got too yet. I generally link them if they exist. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 08:56, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

Sounds good. Bobbychan193 (talk) 19:30, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

• "Peach was also chosen" delete "also"

 Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:20, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

• "a team championship" it's kind of self-explanatory given the name of the tournament, so change this to something like "global tournament" or just delete entirely
  • N Deleted Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:20, 23 September 2019 (UTC)
• "featuring" change to "comprising"
  • already deleted. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:20, 23 September 2019 (UTC)
• Serial comma (or not)
  •  Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:20, 23 September 2019 (UTC)
• "before defeating" change to "where they defeated"
  •  Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:20, 23 September 2019 (UTC)
• Links for country names (again, if there's articles about "Cue sports in xyz" or something, do that; if not, just the country is fine)

We don't link to major landmasses and countries like this, unless obscure. See WP:OL Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 09:00, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

Ok. Chinese Taipei is the one some readers might not know, so I would link that one and keep the rest unlinked. Bobbychan193 (talk) 19:30, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

• "played, in" delete comma
  •  Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:20, 23 September 2019 (UTC)
• "racks with" add comma
  •  Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:20, 23 September 2019 (UTC)
• "team winning" add comma
  •  Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:20, 23 September 2019 (UTC)
• "Peach lost first two matches" change to "Peach lost the first two matches"
  •  Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:20, 23 September 2019 (UTC)
• "Israel Rota and Artem Koshovoj" add links if notable

As far as I can tell, they only ever competed in this professional tournament. I doubt they are notable Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 09:01, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

Ok. Bobbychan193 (talk) 19:30, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

• "Koshovoj both" add comma
  •  Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:20, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

Post world championship (2011–present)

• Expand if possible. Missing a lot of years (2013, 2014, and 2016 to present)
  • There isn't much. I've added a catch-all to explain he's still playing, but hasn't had success. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:24, 23 September 2019 (UTC)
• "both the World nine and ten-ball championships" change to "both the World nine-ball and ten-ball championships" and move the link from "World nine" to "nine-ball"

 Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:24, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

• "and the quarter-finals" separate the sentence; say "Peach reached the quarter-finals"

 Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:24, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

• "nine-ball world championship losing" delete "world"; add "before" before "losing"

 Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:24, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

• "The following year, Peach he his fourth Euro Tour event" fix grammar

 Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:24, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

• "again, losing" change to "again, but lost"

 Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:26, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

• "the Chinese Taipei team of" change to "Chinese Taipei team" or "Chinese Taipei players"

as per above. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:26, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

• "Chinese Taipei" link

 Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:26, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

• put score before "to the Chinese"

 Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:26, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

Personal life

• "one child—Ellie" change to "one child named Ellie"

 Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:05, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

• Delete "also"

 Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:05, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

• "handicap of eight" either link or explain

 Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:05, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

• Expand if possible

There isn't much. But I added a little. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:05, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

Championships and accomplishments

• "Championships and accomplishments" are any of these entries not championships? If so, specify. If not, delete "and accomplishments"

This one's a MOS thing - it's just so it's consistent with articles that have "player of the year" and hall of fame entries. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 09:08, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

Ok. Bobbychan193 (talk) 19:27, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

• "2009 Lugo International Nine-Ball Open" link
  • It's not notable. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 09:08, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

Ok. Bobbychan193 (talk) 19:30, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

• Last citation is inconsistent (website is "AzBilliards.com" instead of azbilliards.com; it's also not italicized, so I suspect it's in the wrong parameter)
  •  Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:01, 23 September 2019 (UTC)
• Last two tournaments (2010 and 2009) are out of order chronologically
  •  Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:01, 23 September 2019 (UTC)
• If you have time, change this into a table format like the one at Ding Junhui (the table under Ding's "Performance and rankings timeline" might take too long to make, so you can just do something similar to the tables under "Career finals")

Those are strictly for snooker players. The MOS:CUE has nothing for this. Snooker and cue sports differ on this one. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 09:08, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

Ok. Bobbychan193 (talk) 19:27, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

External links

• Delete azbilliards.com link and change to Player profile at azbilliards.com

Why? The current template does a lot more than just give the players link in azbilliards. It also generates information for wikidata. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 09:09, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

Ok. Bobbychan193 (talk) 19:27, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

Citations

• I won't be checking every citation, but make sure they're from reliable sources.
  • Yeah, they should all be fine. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:00, 23 September 2019 (UTC)
• Peach also reached the later stages of two Euro Tour events, the semi-finals of the Austria Open

the cites at the end of the sentence/paragraph cover this. Not every piece of punctuation needs a cite. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 09:12, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

Ok, that's my bad. I didn't click into the link; I only saw "German Open" in the title and assumed it didn't cover the earlier events. Bobbychan193 (talk) 19:29, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

• In 2005, Peach competed in all six Euro Tour events, reaching the main stages in each of them.

Again - this information is backed up by the following sentences. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 09:12, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

Ok. Bobbychan193 (talk) 19:29, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

• "He reached the last 16 stage at the Belgium and Swiss Opens, the quarter-finals at the German and Costa Del Sol Opens and the semi-finals of the Austria Open." make sure the citation is a source for all of these; if not, add citations where needed

It is! Luckily, the Euro Tour has a statistics page that shows every players positioning for every event. That's what's linked. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 09:12, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

Ok. Bobbychan193 (talk) 19:29, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

• There seem to be some missing citations throughout the "Reigning world champion (2008–2010)" section. I won't be pointing them out individually, but make sure every match/outcome is cited.

I haven't checked whether every statement is cited, but if they are, don't worry about this. Bobbychan193 (talk) 19:29, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

Comments

• @Lee Vilenski: Beginning review now. I've already added some comments if you want to get started. Bobbychan193 (talk) 02:36, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
• I've done a pretty thorough review of the article, so I probably won't be doing a second review of parts I've already reviewed. Just make sure to resolve all comments I provided and respond here with {{done}} and whatnot so I can keep track. Also, feel free to take your time. Bobbychan193 (talk) 04:18, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
• Good work so far. Bobbychan193 (talk) 19:34, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
  • I think I have it all Bobbychan193 Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:31, 23 September 2019 (UTC)
• That's the last round of comments. I'll be happy to pass the GA after you're finished. Bobbychan193 (talk) 21:15, 23 September 2019 (UTC)
  • all done Bobbychan193, thanks for your review! Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:33, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

@Lee Vilenski: Outstanding work. Bobbychan193 (talk) 07:39, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

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