Talk:David DeJulius

Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by Bruxton (talk) 18:17, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

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David DeJulius attacking Trevion Williams

• ... that David DeJulius (pictured) donates his name, image and likeness jersey proceeds to provide books to inner city youth? Source: https://www.si.com/college/cincinnati/basketball/david-dejulius-donating-all-jersey-sale-funds-to-charity
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Guslagie Malanda
  • Comment: 2nd of 4 QPQ credits for this review.

Created by TonyTheTiger (talk) and Lanternofdiogenes (talk). Self-nominated at 19:29, 13 March 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/David DeJulius; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy compliance:

• Adequate sourcing:
• Neutral:
• Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:
• Other problems:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
Freely licensed: Used in article: Clear at 100px:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: I reviewed all matches over 4% found using Earwig's Copyvio Detector; no concerns. Great work, TonyTheTiger. (I think the caption is OK, but admin please check if the caption needs any further indication about which of the people in the image is DeJulius.) BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 14:14, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

@TonyTheTiger: The hook includes details which not in the source which says, "The graduate guard announced on Tuesday that he is donating all money he earns from his jersey sales to support book purchases for inner-city kids in Detroit, Michigan, and Cincinnati." Bruxton (talk) 22:23, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

What is the issue?-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:27, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

I may have misunderstood the hook. The source says, "jersey sales", our hook goes farther with a claim of "name, image and likeness". You can un-pipe the link to student compensation and it works. Bruxton (talk) 14:09, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

• ALT1: ... that David DeJulius (pictured) donates his student athlete compensation from jersey proceeds to provide books to inner city youth?

Same hook without the piping and it is referenced. Bruxton (talk) 18:15, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

GA Review

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Reviewer: BritneyErotica (talk · contribs) 19:17, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

Good to see changes being made. You're definitely correct in your assessment that I'm from a different part of the world where American English is not used. Likewise, basketball is not at the forefront of sports played and I have yet to hear that used for any other sport. I read into it more and it does seem to be terminology used so you're right in not needing to change it. It shouldn't be too much longer before a final assessment is made. BritneyErotica (talk) 05:47, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

Some final recommendations:

“Then, DeJulius got an offer and gave a verbal commitment on December 22”

I feel like the “then” could be removed. There is another instance later on that used "Then," and it works a bit better because it’s following on from specific parts of the mentioned game.

Done.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:24, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

• In this case he performed on December 17, then got an offer on December 22.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:35, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

I’d Wikilink "Yahoo! Sports" just to establish that it’s the name of the publication. I doubt anyone would be confused by it but having the exclamation mark separating it could be confusing. The italicised names throughout the article look good as they seem to be consistent with a type of newspaper/periodical as per MOS:ITALICTITLE.

• Done.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:36, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

Copyright looks good and so do all the references (you could probably unlink “Mgoblue.com” as it doesn’t lead anywhere).

Only three outstanding recommendations left. I'll go ahead and pass this once they've been acknowledged without further comment. BritneyErotica (talk) 06:38, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

• What is the third item? May I ask what region of the world you are from?-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:38, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

  Yes the third one was in reference to the table where I responded to "nation-leading" and provided what the source said as probably the best way to phrase it. This was in conjunction with the previous two points above. Originally Israel but was educated in the UK very early on. Surprisingly I'm mainly in America doing and studying business and law (although obviously I'm still learning the different ways things are said and done). BritneyErotica (talk) 05:11, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

  @TonyTheTiger I'm happy to pass this as soon as possible as it's been pending for quite a while (partially my fault for being busy).

  Change 1 (stated earlier on this page): "I prefer the way the citation says it, which is "DeJulius holds the nation’s longest streak of five or more assists, currently on a 16-game run" seems to convey the same message in a more neutral way (instead of nation-leading). Also perhaps include the date, such "as of March 2023" or "in 2023" as this record is subject to change."

  How about now?-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:32, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

  Change 2: Red "Mgoblue.com" to MGoBlue.com consistent with other references (Number 11).

  OK.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:28, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

  All other reference spot checks look good, and it is written appropriately. BritneyErotica (talk) 16:01, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

Rate	Attribute	Review Comment
1. Well-written:
	1a. the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct.	"2nd-team, The Detroit News; 3rd team Detroit Free Press, honorable mention Associated Press)" Should a semicolon should be after Detroit Free Press? Should there by a hyphen between 2nd and team? Yes fixed.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:40, 19 August 2023 (UTC) Probably not. fixed.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:41, 19 August 2023 (UTC) "After visiting the University of Michigan a few times (including September 17, 2016, and October 25, 2016)[7] and scoring 46 points with 7 rebounds and 5 assists against Dakota High School and Michigan State Spartans men's basketball signee Thomas Kithier in front of head coach John Beilein and the entire coaching staff on December 17, 2016, DeJulius got an offer and gave a verbal commitment on December 22" This is a run-on sentence. Consider breaking it up. Done.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:49, 19 August 2023 (UTC) "DeJulius earned 2018 Mr. PSL for his play in the Detroit Public School League." Can you clarify what Mr. PSL is? Is it an award or trophy? For example, it could be "DeJulius was awarded the..." or "DeJulius earned the 2018 Mr. PSL award for..." In high school basketball, the title Mr. is sort of like MVP for a domain of players. There are Mr. titles/awards for each state and in Detroit, the have an additional honor for the Detroit Public School League. It is unclear if the honor is a title or an award. The article already clarifies that the honor was for his play in the Detroit PSL.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:00, 19 August 2023 (UTC) "East English had trailed in the heralded battle of the state's two best point guards 49–31 at the half and 63–53 after three quarters until DeJulius had 25 points in the second half, including erupting for 17 in the fourth quarter, against the defending 2017 Michigan High School Athletic Association Class A state champions,[17] who would repeat in 2018." This is a run-on sentence. I'm not sure of the language "heralded battle" and "erupted". This sentence also needs to accomodate to a broad audience: perhaps for this and other examples "at the half" could be "by halftime". Fixed?-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:12, 19 August 2023 (UTC) "The head coach of the team was John Beilein and by the end of the season DeJulius was behind Zavier Simpson and his backup Eli Brooks on the depth chart" This sentence should be reworked. Consider two sentences as I'm not sure how the head coach relates to where these people ended up by the end of the season. Reworked. I was just setting the article up for a coaching change.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:24, 19 August 2023 (UTC) "The team lost the last game of the regular season to Loyer's Michigan State Spartans finishing one game behind the Spartans and Purdue for the Big Ten regular season championship" Comma after Spartans OK.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:28, 19 August 2023 (UTC) "On May 22, 2019, Juwan Howard was named the head coach of the Michigan Wolverines men's basketball team, signing a five-year contract" "...team, and signed a five-year contract" That suggested change is ungrammatical since signed a five year contract is not an independent clause but I made a different edit.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:34, 19 August 2023 (UTC) "As a sophomore for the..." Consider the following: "During the 2019–20 season with the Michigan Wolverines, DeJulius played as a sophomore alongside starting guards Simpson, Brooks, and Franz Wagner. Serving in a sixth man role, he averaged 7.0 points, 2.4 rebounds, and 1.5 assists in 20.9 minutes per game coming off the bench." Almost-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:44, 19 August 2023 (UTC) "assists, both then career-highs." Rework to something like "which were both career-highs at the time". OK.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:48, 19 August 2023 (UTC) "the Battle 4 Atlantis tournament.DeJulius added" A space is needed. Thx.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:50, 19 August 2023 (UTC) "On January 28, with Simpson suspended and Isaiah Livers sidelined, DeJulius started against Nebraska and played 34 minutes." Started meaning the first to play on the court in that specific game? Is there a way to rephrase this sentence (still incorporating started if that's the appropriate basketball term)? NWow. You must be from another part of the world. Starting seems to be a common term in American English regarding sports. I thought all English language speaking countries used this term for people who are playing when the game commences. I am not what editorial direction you want me to take this sentence.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:54, 19 August 2023 (UTC) "Although Simpson had completed his eligibility and Brooks would be a senior, DeJulius decided to enter the NCAA transfer portal in April 2020" Perhaps rearrange this sentence so that his decision is first, using "despite the fact Simpson...". I was initially confused by the "Although" as it made it seem like there was a weak/no correlation between his decision and those factors. Is this OK?-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 05:01, 19 August 2023 (UTC) "DeJulius had contributed 10+ points eleven times for the Wolverines as a sophomore and some thought he was expected to earn the starting point guard role if he returned" Consider: "During his sophomore year with the Wolverines, DeJulius scored 10 or more points in eleven games. There was speculation that he might secure the starting point guard position if he continued with the team." Definitely better.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 05:40, 19 August 2023 (UTC) "prior to DeJulius' announcement" Possessive singular noun requires an 's' after the apostrophe (See MOS:POSS). Wow--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 05:46, 19 August 2023 (UTC) "the AD John Cunningham announced" Clarify what an "AD" is. Thx.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 05:47, 19 August 2023 (UTC) "announced the university" Consider "announced that the University of..." Done.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 05:54, 19 August 2023 (UTC) "against the program" The basketball program? OK.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 05:56, 19 August 2023 (UTC) "When DeJulius was celebrated for Senior Night on March 5, 2023, along with Kalu Ezikpe and Rob Phinisee. That day against SMU, he posted a career-high 30 points with 6 assists. He repeated on the All-conference third-team." These sentences do not make sense and require thorough revision. For example, he was not celebrated "for" Senior Night, leading a sentence with "that day" is poorly written and confusing and he "repeated" what? Thx.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 06:08, 19 August 2023 (UTC) "nation-leading 16-game streak of 5 or more assist" Nation-leading sounds like puffery. Consider rephrasing it. NBest alternative would be something like nation-best.TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 05:58, 19 August 2023 (UTC) I think I prefer the way the citation says it, which is "DeJulius holds the nation’s longest streak of five or more assists, currently on a 16-game run" seems to convey the same message in a more neutral way. Also perhaps include the date, such "as of March 2023" or "in 2023" as this record is subject to change. BritneyErotica (Talk) 06:13, 19 August 2023 (UTC) "In three years at Cincinnati, DeJulius posted 1187 points and ended his final season with 192 assists, which trails only Oscar Robertson (twice) on the school list for single-season assists." It would be "After three years at..." not "In". The use of "trails only" should be rephrased to reflect its true meaning. The twice should be incorporated outside of brackets if possible. OK.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 06:01, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
	1b. it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation.
2. Verifiable with no original research:
	2a. it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline.
	2b. reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose).
	2c. it contains no original research.
	2d. it contains no copyright violations or plagiarism.
3. Broad in its coverage:
	3a. it addresses the main aspects of the topic.
	3b. it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style).	"On March 26, the AD John Cunningham announced the university would begin investigating allegations against the program. On April 3, it was announced that Cincinnati head coach John Brannen was placed on indefinite leave. On April 9, Cincinnati announced Brannen had been relieved of his duties effective immediately. On April 14, 2021, Cincinnati hired Wes Miller to become their next head coach, replacing Brannen." This should be summarised further as it has no direct relation to DeJulius. It was mentioned without any prior information. Why was this coach replaced? Reduced from 415 characters to 325.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 06:13, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
	4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each.
	5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute.
6. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio:
	6a. media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content.
	6b. media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions.
	7. Overall assessment.	Everything now looks good including copyright and reference spot checks. I suppose the only other cosmetic change would be capitalising College in "college stats" for External links but that is very minor so I am passing this nomination.

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