Talk:Death during consensual sex

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Death by "electric nipple clamps"... and other jewels

• http://www.11points.com/Dating-Sex/11_Unbelievably_Insane_Deaths_During_Sex

Yeah that was the woman who got electrocuted by her nipple clamps, ruled homicide. I got all of those that were verifiable. Thanks! :) Keilana|^{Parlez ici} 20:21, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

Definition of death during consensual sex

What constitutes "death during consensual sex"? See this removal - erotic consensual cannibalism and erotic asphyxiation. Blue Rasberry (talk) 13:29, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

Erotic asphyxiation and people who have died from it are covered in Auto-erotic asphyxiation so I don't think it needs to be included here beyond maybe a see also. I'm iffy on the cannibalism because as far as I know there wasn't actual sex happening with that incident as there was in all of the other entries but I'd be open to including it. What do you think? Keilana|^{Parlez ici} 13:50, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

The asphyxiation deaths perhaps should be copied here, because death is not an intended part of the practice. As for the cannibalism, sex can mean many different things. Whatever happened in that case may not have a good word to describe it but media reports suggested that the event was erotically motivated. Perhaps other people can think about this. Blue Rasberry (talk) 15:33, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

When does sex end?

There was a death in the case of Judith Beheading Holofernes. Does "sex" include such things as cuddling or beheading after intercourse? Blue Rasberry (talk) 15:37, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

Hmm, I'm not sure. I mean, Pope John XII probably stopped having sex when his mistress's husband started beating him with a hammer. So maybe Judith falls in? I'd love to hear another perspective on this. Keilana|^{Parlez ici} 15:42, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

It seems like this section should be named "When does sex begin?", since Holofernes apparently didn't get very far according to the scriptural accounts. Still, would death during heavy petting be within scope? (note, the article heavy petting redirects to non-penetrative sex, which I think is a bit further towards the definitely in-scope end of the spectrum). How about death while kissing? Cuddling as mentioned above, seems a bit of a stretch but again it depends on whether we intend "consensual sex" to be limited to "sexual intercourse". As for where it ends, I think there should be some evidence that the attack began while sex continued, rather than, say, after the victim had fallen asleep (that should be Death after sex or Death after consensual sex). Interesting, both "sex" and "consensual" need to be worked out a bit it seems.--Doug.^{(talk • contribs)} 22:53, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

List of deaths

Shouldn't we limit this to notable people, per WP:LISTPEOPLE? Otherwise this could get out of hand very quickly. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:59, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

Since it's an embedded list rather than a standalone list, I think that Wikipedia:Source_list#Listed_items would be the governing policy, which requires verifiability/sourcedness, not notability. I don't do a lot of stuff with list policy, so I could be wrong about that. Kevin Gorman (talk) 23:14, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

• Fair enough, although I think once it reaches a certain size it should be limited to notables. The number of notables already on the list has aroused my interest, although several of them are conjecture (i.e. no documentation that they died in or immediately following the act). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:20, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

I think at some point, if the list grows, I think it might be interesting to break out the articles into various different types of sexual activity as well, Sadads (talk) 13:55, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Other deaths to add

I don't have the time, but figured could always add a few more such as Isamu Togawa, Sadads (talk) 14:07, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

And what about the most famous one of all, Catherine the Great? --Piledhigheranddeeper (talk) 13:03, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Sourcing? I see no evidence this is truth, Sadads (talk) 18:59, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

"Le mort d'amour" ?

I severely doubt the reliability of the source that claims the French have an euphemism for death during sex called "le mort d'amour", because that is not even grammatically correct - mort is feminine, so it should be "la mort d'amour". What's more, it is not really euphemistic (it basically means "death by love"), and it is completely news to me that it would be an euphemism for death during sex. There are movies and songs called "Mourir d'amour" or "Mourir d'aimer" and none of them refer to death during sex - generally it would refer to one dying (or letting themselves go to waste) from loving the wrong person, either because the love is unrequited or because the relationship is ...unwise. "Amour" can mean sex but in the context of death it always means love as far as I can figure out. The only death-related euphemism that relates to sex that I can think of is "la petite mort". I understand that citability is more important than truth, but either the source is being misreported or they are pulling their French out of their ass. 64.201.173.145 (talk) 12:50, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, I speak French and that's definitely dubious to me. I'd be okay with removing it. Maybe the author of that source was thinking of having une petite mort while writing? Keilana|^{Parlez ici} 17:43, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

It does show up in a medical dictionary: mort d'amour: Coition death, going–not coming Cardiology Death due to coitally-induced cardiac overload, which may occur in anyone with underlying cardiac disease, especially with HTN, arrhythmias, or cerebral aneurysms. See Coital coronary. McGraw-Hill Concise Dictionary of Modern Medicine.

But I have no idea how common it actually is. The Interior (Talk) 18:14, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

"Death by snu snu"

This is a reference to the first episode of the third season of Futurama, where three characters are sentenced to "death by snu snu", meaning death penalty by forced sex. This is not death during consentual sex.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazon_Women_in_the_Mood — Preceding unsigned comment added by Untellect (talk • contribs) 14:32, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

Great DYK hook

This is one of the all-time great DYK quirky hooks. PumpkinSky talk 14:16, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Fiction

Just in case anyone thinks this needs a #in_fiction section or that we need a Fictional deaths during consensual sex article (which could lead to some interesting ambiguities in scope as well), there's this just to get you started: http://io9.com/5137948/coital-coronaries-and-sexecutions-[nsfw]--Doug.^{(talk • contribs)} 03:50, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

That's fantastic, I think having a separate article would be better for scope, though. What do you think? Keilana|^{Parlez ici} 05:13, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Did Steinheil have lockjaw?

It says in this article that "Steinheil had lockjaw". However, the Marguerite Steinheil article says: "Legend has it that she was performing oral sex on him when he suddenly died, and that his stiff hands were tangled in her hair," which is more believable. Please correct one of the articles based on a reliable reference. --NearEMPTiness (talk) 08:41, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

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Albert Speer

Albert Speer had a fatal stroke in London in 1981 in the presence of a ladyfriend, while married to Margarete. He subsequently died in hospital IIRC. Is there evidence he had the stroke during sex? Grassynoel (talk) 16:10, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Fisting

Shouldn't fisting be in the article as a potential reason for sudden death during sex?

Fisting can lead to air embolisms and vessel ruptures whis are fatal. Aminabzz (talk) 03:47, 17 April 2024 (UTC)