Talk:Death of Aristotelis Goumas

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This article was deleted by an administrator shortly after I created it, due to BLP concerns. After an inconclusive deletion review, the content was e-mailed to me, and after a conversation with another administrator, I understood that the article could be recreated provided the BLP issues were addressed. I worked on the content off-wiki, then userified it at User:Athenean/Sandbox. I then posted a notice on BLP/N asking people to check the article for BLP problems. Several people commented, and I did my best to address their concerns. I would like to think that the article is nowfree of BLP problems at this point. I understand that some users might not like the content of the article, but I feel this incident marks a watershed moment for the Greek minority in Albania, and is sufficiently notable to warrant an article. That said, I will abide by whatever final decision the community makes. Athenean (talk) 03:04, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

According to the undeletion and the following one on BLP you shouldn't recreate an article for which you got no consensus to recreate, so this should be deleted [1]. I'm not even going explain again how pov your "shockwaves" parts etc. are.--Kushtrim123 (talk) 18:40, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Absolutely not. Speedy deletion is only for articles deleted by AfD, which wasn't the case here. The BLP issues have been addressed, there is no reason to delete the article. Everything is sourced, deal with it. Athenean (talk) 18:42, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Athenean is correct that speedy deletion for recreation of previously deleted content is only for articles that were deleted through AfD discussion, not PRODs or prior speedy deletion. I've removed the speedy deletion template; if any editors believe the article should be deleted they should probably nominate it at AfD, since speedy or PROD seems likely to be contentious. cmadler (talk) 19:08, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

language

I reverted this edit [2] by User:DragonflySixtyseven. The sources quoted specifically state that the altercation occurred because they asked Goumas to not speak in Greek. The point is that the three men were extremely bothered by being spoken to in Greek. They probably couldn't care less about being addressed in English or any other language. Athenean (talk) 22:10, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

Please self-revert [3] BC doesn't say that according to eyewitnesses he was run down for speaking Greek in his own shop, but that:

• The death of a 37-year-old ethnic Greek man in the coastal Albanian town of Himare on Thursday, who was reportedly run down for speaking Greek in his own shop, sparked a demonstration by local residents, who blocked a busy main highway for several hours on Friday morning [date] in protest. According to eyewitness reports from the township, Aristotelis Goumas was rammed by a car while riding his motorcycle and fatally injured. I will add the tag for bias if the sources aren't used precisely since they're all from Greek media. --— ZjarriRrethues — ^talk 19:48, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

• • Balkan Chronicle and Washington Times are not Greek media, and even if the article used only Greek media, that wouldn't be grounds for an NPOV tag. Second, maybe you should read the entire Balkan Chronicle article which says Eyewitnesses in the coastal Albanian town said Goumas quarrelled with at least three men in his shop on Wednesday because the latter demanded he stop speaking Greek. Athenean (talk) 19:53, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

They say nothing about Albanian nationalism links to Kosovo or the other pov parts. I tagged the article so someone can check it.--— ZjarriRrethues — ^talk 11:20, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Since the article has been already checked, approved from a number of (non-extremist) members of this project and dyk-nominated I removed disruptive tagging that was placed recently without serious explanation.Alexikoua (talk) 13:29, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

In general when someone places such tags in an article that is already in the dyk main page, while he is already aware of it several days before this is considered at least disruptive.Alexikoua (talk) 13:36, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Just because an article is on DYK, it doesn't mean that it's npov especially when such an article is based almost exclusively on Greek media. Tags aren't disruptive when an article of an encyclopedia has direct quotes from Greek media that refer to "shockwaves". Btw there is no local Himariote Union but a small Athens-based association [4]. --— ZjarriRrethues — ^talk 14:14, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

To sum up this articles passes the dyk nomination criteria[5]], this means that it is within the project's policy (points 4 and 5). When someone places tags that raise concerns about 'verifiability' just after the nomination this is considered at least disruptive, something you better avoid in future.Alexikoua (talk) 20:55, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

The title is wrong

His name is Aristotel Guma, not Aristotelis Goumas. Please correct the article. --Sepastaj (talk) 01:41, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

All the English-language sources use "Goumas", so that's what we use here. I understand where you're coming from, but those are the rules. Athenean (talk) 02:06, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Of course is wrong. Compare with Murder of Gramoz Palushi.

Is there really an administrator who deleted this article and not the other? --Euzen (talk) 21:21, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

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