Talk:Death of Ashley Babbitt

Notability

@Fram: There are plenty of independent reliable source covering this death making it notable enough. Sources, not only have detailed the death, but also have covered the outcomes of this incident. You really need to go by AFD if you think the topic is not notable. Pinging other involved editors @220 of Borg and ExperiencedArticleFixer:. --Mhhossein ^talk 04:04, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

There are even fresh sources like [1], [2] and [3]. --Mhhossein ^talk 04:14, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

WP:BLP1E possibly applies. Her notability, or not, will likely take time to be confirmed. 220 of ^ßorg 04:51, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Exactly, and we are not talking about her notability rather its her death which is the subject of the sources hence this page.--Mhhossein ^talk 05:24, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Page Title - 'Death' of Ashli Babbitt

This article is mistitled 'Death of Ashley Babbitt' of all the articles in the category 'People shot dead by law enforcement' with the addition of this article this will be the only one where the circumstances are portrayed ambiguously as 'death', every other article either shows the name, or has 'shooting of', 'killing of', or even 'murder of'.

I propose that this article be re-created or merged as 'Killing of Ashli Babbitt' or 'Shooting of Ashli Babbitt', to be in line with every other similar article.

The notability of this article is not that a woman named Ashli Babbitt died but that she was shot dead by police in questionable circumstances.LikkerdySplit (talk) 05:03, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Merge discussion

It had been suggested that this page be merged back into the source incident 2021 storming of the United States Capitol by Linguist111. (Noted by ~Gwennie🐈｟💬 📋｠ 18:18, 13 January 2021 (UTC))

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• Support — I believe that this section should just exist in the 2021 storming of the United States Capitol § Casualties section. The page was recently split and so room isn't a concern. This isn't notable enough to have its own page and it'll most likely always be this tiny stub. ~Gwennie🐈｟💬 📋｠ 18:18, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
• Support per nom. Linguist111^talk 18:23, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

• Support per nom. Her death is unfortunate but not independently notable from the event during which it occurred. Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talk • contributions) 18:28, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

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• Hey GorillaWarfare: What kind of closure is it? The discussion is opened on 18:38, 13 January 2021 and closed within just 20 minutes. Pinging involved editors: User:220 of Borg, User:ExperiencedArticleFixer, User:Barmmerm, User:LikkerdySplit, User:JamesMGarrity, User:Somedifferentstuff, User:Mt.FijiBoiz. --Mhhossein ^talk 13:04, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

  Whether Babbitt, or her death, was sufficiently notable for a standalone article was already decided in a previous AfD. This article was essentially a shorter version of the page that was deleted via that discussion; see WP:G4. GorillaWarfare (talk) 16:24, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

This is an obvious cover-up while there is, at least allegedly, an active investigation into her killing, not death, she was killed. Her shooting is by far the most notable of the five deaths in media reports, social media activity, protests, etc. With officer Sicknick a distant 2nd. I don't think wikipedia activists should be allowed to just decide on their own to delete a page with a 20min vote, this is nothing more than a farcical cover-up.LikkerdySplit (talk) 12:09, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

When further detail of the 'investigation' surfaces perhaps then we can re-create this article. I want to add that whereas I can understand the fact that most of the law enforcement officer involved shootings can be isolated as seperate events and then given their own page, we all know full well that had any protestor been shot dead during the BLM riots they would immediately recieve their own distinct page and there would be no discussion of deletion. Fact is that almost none of the info on this page or the original was added to the 2021 Capitol riot page, it was just blanked, another cover-upLikkerdySplit (talk) 12:32, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

@LikkerdySplit: The strategy of adding details to the main page seems fair enough, but I don't know how successful you will be given those users ready to find something for reverting you. I think sources like this and [4] can be adopted for further expansion of the mainpage. --Mhhossein ^talk 12:53, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

@Mhhossein: Thanks, I think those have far more unique info than most sources on Ashli Babbitt. I honestly just want to see an equal treatment of white/black, criminal/innocent, right/left topics on wiki, it is both depressing and infuriating how wikipedia activists are able to so readily control information on what is supposed to be a 'free encyclopedia'. Everywhere you go on wikipedia there is either an extreme or soft left-wing perspective presented. Supposedly it should be neutral.

I am not an Ashli Babbitt supporter, I didn't know her and I personally disapprove of dopey Q theories and her going to DC, but I did see that video and it was every bit as bad and worse than Rayshard Brooks, Jacob Blake or George Floyd. Why is it that she should receive three lines, most of which are dedicated to character assassination rather than a neutral description of events. Whereas they receive pages and pages, written with care and devotion, where any information that disagrees with the BLM narrative is excised, hidden and buried. Isn't this website supposed to be neutral?LikkerdySplit (talk) 13:21, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

@LikkerdySplit: You're welcome, I know the point behind your comment. I think before Wikipedia (or it's users) is hindering movement towards a neutral reflection of the events, this is the mainstream media the shapes the outline of the Wiki developments. By the way, I took those sources to the TP of Capitol riot and they said the sources were not helpful. --Mhhossein ^talk 12:23, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

• Hey LikkerdySplit. There are some fresh sources regarding the incident ([5]&[6]). Do you think the page can be revived given these new developments? --Mhhossein ^talk 12:13, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

Requested move 13 January 2021

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The result of the move request was: Redirected to 2021 storming of the United States Capitol#Casualties based on past consensus at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ashli Babbitt. GorillaWarfare (talk) 18:40, 13 January 2021 (UTC) GorillaWarfare (talk) 18:40, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

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Death of Ashley Babbitt → Shooting of Ashli Babbitt – Per the statements by LikkerdySplit above. The current title also misspells Babbitt's given name. Linguist111^talk 18:20, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

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