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Methods

Which method of execution is the most and least cruel and unusual? I think that the current widespread method, at least in the US, of lethal injection is the most sane because there is no pain involved; or so we are told. Of course hanging and beheading are out due to the simple grotesqueness of the act. Is the electric chair, which is still used on rare occasions, cruel and should it be banned? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.147.44.99 (talk) 02:58, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

Dead Man Walking

Let a sensiable person write this, afterall is it not 'sloppy' reasons in how these people are put to death. If we educate with a point of view for finacial or even like minded responses, we encourage and accept capital punishment. This is a crisis or, Dead man walking. Behave. Articles like these set an example, people can accurately give details in situations, where life is at stake. It seems no trouble in the calling for the punishment, shoot your mouth off, be accurate. This is no game. ONE little citation, don't you agree, forfeits and finds merit with any understanding, shrugging off capital punishment as serious or even real. What had taught you to rearrange and amend understandings, to arc light? Now, at least stream executions to reassure our safe standing. Don't be suprised if the following steriotypes are found dead after live viewing, Dweeb, Dwain, Johnson and son. BE, or at least act, RESPONSIABLE. Write this article as though you welcome capital punishment. — Preceding unsigned comment added by O2Smurf (talk • contribs) 13:26, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

How about a citation backing up the bit about "dead man walking"? Or perhaps just yank it. Even if true, it is hardly one of the most important things to know about death rows. I have heard the expression all my life, but never as a ritual saying for executions. (I grew up in Huntsville, Texas, which at the time had 10,000 non-prisoner residents and the state's only electric chair.) Googling turns up many references to a book-play-movie by that name, and over a half dozen songs with the same title. The only definition I could find was here: http://www.usingenglish.com/reference/idioms/dead+man+walking.html

67.126.57.193 23:31, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

"Death Row" is not unique to the USA. India and Singapore use the term, for example.

Is the 'dead man eating' external link not slightly in bad taste? If you click on the right link from the main page then you'll get some information, but the 'your last meal' section seems a bit sadistic/masochistic/perverse. Just a thought.

Waiting

Why do they have to wait for execution so long? Can't they just be killed after judge definitely sentences them and they don't have aby chance?

I think this has to do with the fact that in the U.S. there are so many possibilities which the defendant can take in order to try to get around being executed. You can appeal here, appeal there, make use of writs, ask for clemency there, etc. etc. etc. etc. Of course a person cannot be executed as long as he has not exhausted all of his possibilities to take legal action against his verdict. And that may take many years. In other countries it may be different. In France, for example, there were usually only a few weeks between the verdict and the execution. --Wutzofant 13:48, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

I would be curious to know how long the average wait on Death Row has. In general (including appeals time, etc), as well as how long it takes for a "convenient time" to come up. Say someone gets the sentence and does nothing to fight it--would it still take years for the punishment to take place? --Masamage 01:48, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

From some research I did in high school (but note that this was before the internet and I am Australian, which doesn't have the death penalty) the average time is more than 25 years. Most people die from old age before execution. This is due to endless appeals and protests and various legalities as well as ethics etc. However, people are still on Death Row even after all avenues of appeal are exhausted. From a purely financial point of view, keeping someone alive in prison can cost up to a million dollars per person, per year whilst the cost of execution is a one-off cost (well, for that person anyway). Please don't flood me with comments re ethics etc- Obviously I haven't considered those and this is not an endorsement for or against the Death Penalty. Naysie (my tildes key is broken)

In Jamaica it is considered cruel and inhuman to keep someone on death row for over five years. Once five years pass the death penalty must be commuted to a life sentence to a term of years not less than fifteen. Because the Court system out there is so poorly constructed and inefficient, and because the Privy Council (English Court) is still the top court in Jamaica, Jamaica has been unable to execute anyone since 1988. By the way, I worked with prisoners on death row in Jamaica, and have a pretty good photo I took of death row, but don't know how to upload it. If someone would be so kind as to create a space for me to put it, then email me at adetro@hotmail.co.uk to let me know, then I will upload it, or send it to you to upload. Cheers, Paul —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.83.137.178 (talk) 13:10, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

A really good reason to wait is to make really sure the person is guilty before executing them. It's not about trying to "get around" being executed! The justice system provides for appeals to give justice as much chance of being done as possible. For example, as of 2010 new DNA techniques are proving that some convicted people are innocent - do a Google search for "dna proves innocence". -- Bricaniwi (talk) 11:38, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

During the appeals process a person is considered to be innocent (even though already convicted). So those prisoners who die during the long appeals process do so as innocent men. These convicted people are innocent until the last appeal fails. Kwenchin (talk) 07:40, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

From the late 1970s, when some states reinstated the death penalty to January 2017, some 157 persons have been exonerated - declared innocent and freed from death row. DNA evidence has been more widely used since 1988, and it has been a factor in several exonerations. Other reasons for wrongful convictions being overturned have been found to be jailhouse informants whose testimony does not hold up or is recanted, prosecutorial misconduct, biased jury selection, and others that mean a person did not get a fair trial. A number of states have effectively put a moratorium on executions as more studies are being done of the biases in the criminal justice system, with minorities disproportionately receiving the death penalty.Parkwells (talk) 16:06, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

The waiting for death is the punishment, as long as people have joy in live to live for. If an person have no joy in live to live for, death is more an release then an punishment. And to who beleave in God, the criminal is sended to heaven. That is an strange habit to. I mean when you killed an few people you are rewarded with being send to heaven. In the Islam religion it is the same, when you kill unbelevers in holy jihad you will get rewarded with 37 virgins. More cruel it is for the mothers of those people, they gived those DR inmates birth, and there child is taken away from them. Even that person by it self didnt commited any crime, the mother must live with it further. But to edknowledge that polititions must place them self in the shoes of an mother to see how funny that is. The DR inmate him or her self dont realise anything any more after death. But the question is where we all must think about is: an conviction with an punishment is an way to correct people who did wrong, but what effect does an execution got in the correcting way if the person is dead?

The death penalty and execution is an strange thing that came from an barbarian time, but that doesnt got an effective correction. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.72.60.108 (talk) 07:52, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Proper noun status

I've just reverted a minor change de-capitalising Death Row to bring it in-line with the article title, but upon doing some research I thought I ought to bring the discussion onto the talk page. Department of Corrections sources in the United States seem to disagree on the subject. Arizona and Florida capitalise both words in prose, while Colorado, Texas [1] and North Carolina don't treat it as a proper noun. Merriam-Webster and Answers.com agree with the latter, as do various news sources, including CNN and CBS. Overall, I think consensus seems to be that it's not a proper noun, and so I propose that this page should be moved to Death row. However, I thought I ought to get an opinion or two before moving it. GeeJo _{(t) (c)} • 23:02, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

Definately agree with "death row"--it isn't even generally a formal term, but a widely adopted colloquialism--certainly not a formal proper noun. 71.231.107.188 01:37, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

"death row" seems more appropriate to me.. I guess I never thought of it as a proper noun because it's not like there's one certain death row there are plenty of different ones and it's more of like a list of people not a physical row. just my thoughts GregoryKohler 17:10, 15 June 2007 (PST)

Seconded. Existing "death row" caused a renaming conflict, so I've marked it for speedy deletion, as we seem to have a 100% consensus here. --Kubanczyk (talk) 12:11, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Done. --Kubanczyk (talk) 14:15, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

deathrow

hey i got to this page searching for a video game named 'Deathrow' (one word) but the byline doesn't even mention that game, so I have to specifically type in 'Deathrow (game)' to get to the page. i don't know how to add such a byline (for example the "For information about the Record company see Death Row Records" line) so could someone maybe do that? Something like 'For information on the video game, see Deathrow'. thanks :)

here is the page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deathrow_%28game%29

Alderman is not and has never been the longest-serving US death row inmate

Gary Eldon Alvord arrived on death row in Florida on April 9, 1974, so before Alderman was received on death row. And Alvord is there still, as of my posting here. Alvord is the longest-serving US death row inmate ever and he is still alive... . Information from the Florida Department of Corrections: Inmate Population Information Detail 97.103.81.29 (talk) 18:21, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Montana Women's Death Row

Is not in Warm Springs, that's the mental hospital.

They are supposed to be housed in Billings and flown to Deer Lodge within a week of a set date.

--seattlehawk94 (talk) 11:55, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

In fact Montana doesn't even have a male "Death Row" persay, they are housed just like any other max security inmates until they are ready to be taken to the death chamber.

http://www.cor.state.mt.us/Facts/deathrow.asp —Preceding unsigned comment added by Seattlehawk94 (talk • contribs) 11:59, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Locations of Death Rows in the United States

How are these states listed? They are not in alphabetical order. Are they listed in any order of significance ... or are they just listed in a random order? If it is a random order, shouldn't we alphabetize the list of states? Thoughts? Thanks. (Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 05:43, 21 April 2009 (UTC))

No one responded to you after almost a year, but that is a great idea. I completed this task on March 16, 2010.:--ARTEST4ECHO ^talk 20:12, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Gender

All the pictures are of male death rows, and all non-specified pronouns are male. I thought women also had a 'Death row'

"often a section of a prison"

I wish this article would explain WHY "Death row...is...often a [separate] section of a prison". Why should Death row inmates live apart from the general prison population?

Are Death row inmates separated from the general prison population 24 hours a day? Are only their cells separate and maybe they eat and exercise with the general population?

Which rules in a prison are different for Death row inmates and general-population inmates? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.113.34.74 (talk) 08:34, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Terminology/ American centricism?

The term "Death Row" is not a general one applicable to Anglophone Countries but is an American one. I the UK when Capital Punishment, the terminology for where the condemned were kept was "Condemned Cell". The concept of a "Row" I suppose is based on the American tradition of prisons where there is a tradition of rows of cells that are open fronted, (with bars), rather than the UK tradition of tells with 4 walls and a proper door in it. So consideration should be given that the article should be re-written with a USA focus, removing for the most part references to Commonwealth countries.

Redefine as United States

I have started to redefine this article as "Death row in the United States". I do not see the point of trying to have a worldwide view and have noted that the US is the only Western country that still applies the death penalty. I had added content to show more issues among the states, as well as the number of people who have been exonerated - declared innocent and freed. This provides some context. Parkwells (talk) 15:58, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

That's not how things are done! You don't simply hijack a general topic and change into a country-specific topic merely because you think it is the subject. A worldwide view is definitely needed because the US is not the only country in the world to have the death row.2001:E68:5447:90D9:BD9B:8E3B:510B:20AD (talk) 08:36, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

The "death row" concept is certainly an American one, for the reasons that "Parkwells" explained. Additional reasons include that even when other Anglophone Western Countries practised capital punishment, the term "Death Row" was not used. For example "condemned cell" would have been the nearest equivalent. Really it is for those who advocate that the the article is genuinely worldwide in nature to find the sources to support that position. So to use the UK by way of example I suspect it would be very difficult, (if not impossible) to see British sources from the 1950 or 1960s using the term "Death Row" to refer British facilities. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.84.189.190 (talk) 00:02, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

No, "death row" is defined as "a place in a prison that houses inmates awaiting execution after being convicted of a capital crime and sentenced to death". Death row ≡ a place where prisoners await their death. There is no call for this article to focus so much on the US, as, while the title may be an American term, it refers to a much broader concept. Zilch-nada (talk) 16:55, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

LGBTQ Community and Death Row

According to (https://www.amnesty.org/en/what-we-do/discrimination/lgbt-rights/) there are a total of seventy countries that believe same sex relations is a terrible crime and in nine countries you can be excused because of this, two of those countries are Iran and Saudi Arabia. According to (http://internap.hrw.org/features/features/lgbt_laws/) there are a lot of countries that only punish sexual relations between men but since the year of 1986 there have been about ten countries that established laws to punish same sex relations with women as well.

According to (https://www.amnesty.org/en/what-we-do/discrimination/lgbt-rights/) there are a total of seventy countries that believe same sex relations is a terrible crime and in nine countries you can be excused because of this, two of those countries are Iran and Saudi Arabia. According to (http://internap.hrw.org/features/features/lgbt_laws/) there are a lot of countries that only punish sexual relations between men but since the year of 1986 there have been about ten countries

See also — Preceding unsigned comment added by Saratanveer (talk • contribs) 02:09, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

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