Talk:Decommunization in Ukraine

future refs!

• http://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-stepping-fight-against-communists-289256
• http://www.nrcu.gov.ua/en/148/593826/
  — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 15:35, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

Single inline reference that points to two different sources

The article currently contains a (multiply used) inline reference that actually comprises two different sources, one in English, the other in Ukrainian. This is not so good. The reader needs to have a clear attribution of the information to a single source. If each citation of the double source is indeed because each source supports the given information, then all that needs to be done is to split the single source citation into two separate ones and then use both in each case where the double citation is currently used. If not, then the source citations have to be split and each one used where appropriate. Also, feel free to take a look at Template:Cite news, including the trans_title field which is very handy for non-English sources. Thanks. Lklundin (talk) 21:19, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

New Category for all the to be renamed cities.

Should Category:City name changes in Ukraine (or named something else) be created to list all the (to be) renamed cities. Cities that have to be renamed because of the current decommunization (laws) in Ukraine. — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 15:23, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

Cities and towns named after persons related with the Communist regime

Міста та смт, названі на честь осіб, пов'язаних з комуністичним режимом.

Non-personal and abstract names, such as Red Army, Komsomol etc are not included. Compiled from uk:Список комуністичних топонімів України, що підлягають перейменуванню. Exclusive of the occupied parts of Donbass. Crimean towns are listed separately in the bottom. (this list on a map [1]).

• Artemiwka, after Fyodor Sergeyev. Alternative name Skorochodowe (Скороходове)
• Artemiwśk, after Fyodor Sergeyev. Historical (prior to 1924) name, Bachmut (Бахмут). Supported by town council on Sept. 23, 2015.
• Chapayeve, after Vasily Chapayev. Historical (1899-1925) name Ziglewriwka (Ціґлеврівка)
• Ciurupynśk, after Oleksandr Ciurupa. Historical (1084-1928) name Olešky (Олешки)
• Dimitrove, after Georgi Dimitrov. Alternative name might be Beška (Бешка), after a local river.
• Dniprodzierżyńśk, after Feliks Dzierżyński. Historical (1750-1936) name Kamjanśke (Кам'янське)
• Dnipropetrovśk, after Hryhorij Petrovśký.
• Dzierżyńśk, after Feliks Dzierżyński. On Oct. 16, 2015 town council voted for the new name Torećk (Торецьк), after the river Toreć
• Illyichivśk, after Vladimir Lenin. To be renamed as Čornomorśk (Чорноморськ), after the Black Sea (Čorne more). Supported by local referendum on Nov. 12, 2015. To avoid confusion, the town of Čornomorśke, Crimea has its own historical (prior to 1944) Crimean Tatar name Aqmeçit (Ак Мечеть)
• Frunziwka, after Mikhail Frunze. Historical (prior to 1927) name Zachariwka (Захарівка)
• Kalininśke, after Mikhail Kalinin. Historical (1807-1927) name Velyka Sejdemenucha (Велика Сейдеменуха)
• Kirove, after Sergey Kirov. Formerly known as Piwničný Rudnyk (Північний Рудник). The town council has voted to restore the name as Piwnične (Північне)
• Kirovohrad, after Sergey Kirov. One of the proposed new names is Inhuľśk (Інгульськ), after the river Inhul
• Kirovśk, after Sergey Kirov. Historical (prior to 1940) name Popiwka (Попівка). The town council has voted for the new name Myrne (Мирне)
• Kirovśke, after Sergey Kirov. Historical (prior to 1938) name Obuchiwka (Обухівка)
• Kotovśk, after Grigory Kotovsky. Historical (1779-1935) Moldovan name Bîrzula (Бирзула).
• Kuybysheve, after Valerian Kuybyshev. Formerly known as Kamjanka (from 1782, as the local river, Кам'янка), Belmanka (Бельманка), Carekosťantyniwka (1845-1925, Царекостянтинівка)
• Kuznetsovśk, after Nikanor Kuznetsov. Historical (1776-1973) name Varaš (Вараш)
• Orjonikidze, after Grigol Sergo Orjonikidze. Alternative name might be Bazavluk (Базавлук), after a local river.
• Ščors, after Mykola Ščors. Historical (prior to 1935) name Snowśk (Сновськ), after the river Snow.
• Ščorśk, after Mykola Ščors. Historical (prior to 1939) name Božedariwka (Божедарівка), approved by town council
• Ulyanivka, after Vladimir Lenin. Historical (prior to 1924) names are Hruškiwśký vysilok (Грушківський висілок), Blahoviščenśke (Благовіщенське)
• Volodarśk-Volynśký, after Moisei Goldstein. Historical names are Olexandropoľ (1545-1607, after Kniaź Olexandr Pronśký), Chorošky (until 1912, Хорошки).

In the disputed Crimea:

• Kirovśke, after Sergey Kirov. Historical (prior to 1945) Crimean Tatar name İslâm Terek (Іслям Тєрєк)
• Kuybysheve, after Valerian Kuybyshev. Historical (prior to 1945) Crimean Tatar name Albat
• Lenine, after Vladimir Lenin. Historical (prior to 1957) name Yedi Quyu (Сім Колодязів)
• Orjonikidze, after Grigol Sergo Orjonikidze. Historical Crimean Tatar name Kaygador (Кайґадор)

RWhite 188.163.35.144 (talk) 21:31, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

"Communist regime" is wrong in multiple ways, the term regime is biased and has a negative connotation for one, when a term of neutral connotation could be substituted such as government, country, nation, administration, or leadership, for example. Also, communism involves a stateless, classless, moneyless society with the means of production held in common. Proletarian Banner (talk) 06:05, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

They were still dismantling Lenin monuments in October 2017

Not sure if this is notable: they were still dismantling Lenin 5 monuments in October 2017. — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 19:33, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

It's sad though, Lenin was a hero who led a revolution which ended the Tsar's reign and brought many people rights such as women and minorities allowing them to work, receive education, and have positions in the military and government for once. Proletarian Banner (talk) 06:07, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Decommunization as Political repression

Why is Decommunization being considered political repression in this case? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 177.42.164.199 (talk) 00:06, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

177.42.164.199 has a point; (Ukraine's) decommunization being political repression is an idea that is not broadly supported by scholarship. I have not came across a reliable source that claimed that decommunization should be considered political repression. Does Toddy1 have any (English preferred) reliable source that claim that decommunization should be considered political repression? If not this edit should be reversed. — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 21:48, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

Banning a political party from taking part in elections meets the dictionary definition of political repression. It is forbidding their ability to take part in the political life of society.-- Toddy1 (talk) 02:04, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

Not necessarily. Communist Party was banned in West Germany in 1956; the Socialist Reich Party was banned by the Federal Constitutional Court in 1952. This does not mean West Germany used political repressions.Miacek (talk) 05:20, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

But if *all* communist parties and symbols are banned, then it becomes a textbook example of political repression The andf (talk) 01:38, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

Why does it not mean that West Germany used political repressions? To me it is obvious that they did, if they banned political parties. 92.35.104.237 (talk) 21:09, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia articles are based on sources/references. That Toddy1 or any other Wikipedia editors thinks what is a "dictionary definition of political repression" is original research. Wikipedia articles may not contain any new analysis or synthesis of published material that serves to reach or imply a conclusion not clearly stated by the sources themselves.

By the way the way, the Communist Party, despite the prohibition, still sends financial reports to NSCC on a regular basis , is listed among its registered on the website of the Ministry of Justice , and on the website of the Department of State Registration and Notary. So their ban does not seems to be carved in stone.

To meet Toddy1 halfway.... I did find out that Amnesty international says "banning the Communist Party in Ukraine is a flagrant violation of freedom of expression and association"; so I wouldn't mind swapping the [Category:Political repression in Ukraine] with [Category:Censorship in Ukraine] (in this Wikipedia article). — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 19:17, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

I don't think we should change the whole article just because of one source, just mentioning the AI view in the article is enough and WP:DUE.Miacek (talk) 19:23, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

If Decommunization is political repression, then is Denazification political repression as well? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.213.29.83 (talk) 19:27, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

Technically yes, but some political ideas probably should be repressed. Rreagan007 (talk) 07:58, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

Well communism is known for wiping out over 100 million people last century, so surely its more then well qualified for being repressed on the grounds of extreme evil? 175.35.75.2 (talk) 12:22, 4 May 2022 (UTC)

That is not relevant for this article. I would not mind if this article touched upon repression:

Denazification (wikipedia entry)

But wikipedia entries should not philosophize over interesting themes, it should summarize central issues that are according to major parts of society that are informed about the matter. And with a minimum of partisanship. 92.35.104.237 (talk) 21:13, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

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Remove Putin's criticism?

Now the wikipedia entry says:

"In February 2022, in connection with a presidential address of Russian president Vladimir Putin in the midst of the Russo-Ukrainian crisis, Putin claimed that Ukraine's decommunization does not make any sense because "modern Ukraine was created by communist Russia, and specifically Lenin". Vitaly Chervonenko from the BBC noted how carefully Putin kept silent about the independent Ukrainian state formations of 1917–1920 and Kyiv's war with Lenin's Bolshevik government, whose purpose was to include Ukraine in Bolshevik Russia."

Remove this passage completely? It is just obvious that both sides should criticize each other, and Putin would not be the best source.

His argument is not without merit though, Lenin defined the borders of most of Ukraine, the other state formations "West Ukraine" and "UPA" did not have their borders where Ukraine is now. So there is a bit of cherry-picking from the Ukraine patriot side, they keep some elements of their communism and tsarism and forget other things. But unless some less partisan source can be found, it is better to keep silent about it. 92.35.104.237 (talk) 21:06, 18 August 2024 (UTC)