Talk:Deenanath Mangeshkar

Background - Son of Ganesh?

Proper birth certificate required which proves this that he is Ganesh Navathes son. We cannot go on gossips. If proper proof of birth certificate is not found then it should be mentioned as Gossip/Rumour — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mangesh1978 (talk • contribs) 06:06, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

You can check with the Hardikar (Abhisheki) relatives of Deenanath's father, they still live in Mangeshi village. It's public knowledge that his married Brahmin father Ganesh also kept a Devadasi mistress Yesubai, and Deenanath was their son. Since his parents weren't married to each other, he didn't inherit his father's surname and caste. Thus the Mangeshkar family started by Deenanath belongs to Gomantak Maratha Samaj like Yesubai, but the Abhisheki family (whose father Jitendra Abhisheki was the grandson of Ganesh's Brahmin wife) are Karhade Brahmins. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2402:3A80:18C4:B651:792B:7817:7C92:BEED (talk) 08:23, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

Birthdate?

The article says his birthdate is "Born: December 31, 1900/January 1, 1901". Which is the right one? - Mayuresh 16:44, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Possibly Malicious Content / Citation Required

The following statement in this article requires a citation from a reliable source. The statement, and especially the way it has been worded, sounds malicious, is derogatory if untrue and is irrelevant in any case, and should not be included unless backed by a reliable and verifiable source.

Yesubai belonged to Devdasi tradition and was Ganesh Bhat's keep, so Dinanath was the son of a Karhade Brahmin, but he was not a Brahmin himself.

--CuriousChallenger (talk) 23:05, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Citation Still Required After Change

Cross-references do not seem to match for the following statement:

Ganesh Bhat-Nawathe, a priest and Yesubai Rane, a handmaiden of the deity Mangesh were his parents.

The Wiki article for Lata Mangeshkar claims that the original family name was Hardikar, which Mr. Deenanath subsequently changed to Mangeshkar for want of a prominent name. How can one's family name be Hardikar when the parents' family names are Nawathe and Rane respectively?

Also, the following sentences become irrelevant to the topic (especially in view of this challenge, but even otherwise):

Ganesh Bhat's legal family later changed the surname to Abhisheki because they were in-charge of pooja and abhishek at the local temple. Balasaheb Abhisheki was the son of Ganesh Bhat and his legal wife. Jitendra Abhisheki, Balabhau's son, also became a famous figure in music as composer and singer.

--CuriousChallenger (talk) 23:57, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

I've removed possibly contentious information for lack of sources. If you do find such material that is not backed by citations, please feel free to be bold and remove it. - Max ^{- You were saying?} 17:19, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Thank you very much. --CuriousChallenger (talk) 23:35, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

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This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 17:46, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Mentioning Caste

Dear Editors!
There has been a discussion on India Portal related to mentioning of caste of subjects. The point is that mentioning caste of people, who have nothing to do with their caste, is found to be unnecessary by few editors. Hence the caste of the subject person needs to be deleted from the biography. I am not deleting the caste as of now but am only posting this here so that the regular editors of this article are well aware of it beforehand and no edit-wars take place. For details of discussion held on the portal please refer Wikipedia_talk:Noticeboard_for_India-related_topics#Mentioning_caste_of_Individuals. Your views if any are welcome there or even here.
And.... as the reasons of exclusion of caste pointed out were "irrelavant to notability of subject person", "privacy of the subject person", "inclusion of caste is like branding individuals", etc. other information included in the article which also fall under these cases will also be removed after discussions. Examples of it included religion, non-notable spouse's and children's and parents' information, previous occupation, lived in places, non-notability related educational qualification, etc.
Your views on this are also welcome here or at the India portal. -Animeshkulkarni (talk) 16:57, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

Not here, please. There is a community discussion taking place at WT:INB and I would advise people to read the entire discussion before forming an opinion because the above summary is incorrect. Nothing more need be said here. - Sitush (talk) 02:19, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

Twisted truth

I am from Goa,the community to which the Mangeshkars belong is called "kalavant"(now called as Gomantak maratha(the word maratha comes into picture only coz in 13th or 14th century when many maratha widows were forced to immolate themselves on their husbands pyres(sati),many would escape and take shelter in temples and took up prostitution as a means of livelihood and wud help to keep the temple clean),and form a part of Devadasi caste and has got nothing to do with Maratha caste).And even though his father was a Karhada Brahmin his mother was not his legal wife,his father already had a legal brahmin wife(n their descendants still live in Goa n Mumbai and are Karhada Beahmins),and dinanaths mother was a mere concubine this a fact.please dont twist the story there are lots of references available.So they name Hardikar never was theirs,its a brahmin surname,on the other hand the devdasis always adopted the name of the village they lived in,the temple which patronised them or person who provided for them,this will sound very very harsh,but its the truth. Nijgoykar (talk) 03:39, 26 May 2018 (UTC) The term 'Maratha' is a fake self-description that started being used by the kalavant caste in Goa from the 20th century only to make their origins look less sleazy. They have nothing to do with the Marathas. Goa came under Muslim rule in the 13th-14th century, there were no ruling Marathas. The predecessor Kadambas were also from Karnataka and not Maratha at all. Even when Konkani Hindus had to leave Goa during Muslim rule and Portuguese rule, they would go to places in modern Karnataka like Udipi and Honnavar instead of places in modern Maharashtra. But now Goans write fake history where they are genetically Maratha. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2409:4042:270F:68E:D1FD:8BA7:9F71:CBA8 (talk) 04:33, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Pandit Deenanath Mangeshkar's father was a Karhade Brahmin. His ancestry is clearly traceable.

Pandit Deenanath Mangeshkar's father was a Karhade Brahmin. His ancestry is clearly traceable. Go visit Mangueshi Temple and ask the priests there. Abhishekis/Hardikars were employed as priests in that Temple for hundreds of years. He later changed his lastname from Hardikar to Mangeshkar. 157.45.232.6 (talk) 06:20, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

Deenanath's father was a Brahmin named Ganesh, but his mother wasn't his wife (his father was already married to a Brahmin lady, only the wife's descendants are regarded as Brahmins in Goa) - she was a Devadasi mistress named Yesubai. Hence Deenanath never inherited the Hardikar surname or Brahmin caste, and instead belonged to Gomantak Maratha Samaj like his mother. Like most members of that group, Deenanath took the surname from his village. Read here: https://www.firstpost.com/entertainment/asha-bhosle-has-not-done-enough-for-goa-bjp-lawmaker-2-760577.html If the family was Brahmin, there wouldn't be any "caste concerns" about Lata's request. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2402:3A80:18CD:7058:FED7:77BA:12EA:36E7 (talk) 18:21, 7 February 2022 (UTC)