Talk:Destiny's Child/Archive 1

Archive 1

Vocal Profile

There should be a vocal profile on all of these girls.

Stalker

What is all this stuff about LaToya Langford and "A stalker by the name of LaToya Langford, a fan from San Diego, California began writing death threats to the group, more specifically aimed at Beyoncé if Knowles did not lick Lanford's vagina."

I can't find ANY evidence online about anything like this....

'Me finks' this is probably vandalism, but I'll leave it there for the time being incase it does turn out to be true...

Sukh 00:43, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Final Destiny and the Future section

It should considered about information about the individual future of the members as this section is becoming excessively long. Simply focus on the future of the group. Also in the discography, focus should on the group and solo sales deleted. People should read their individual articles to find about each members future. Wat y'all think?!!!

Break-up

They're not friends anymore, and they hate to keep traveling together, plus they hate to do all the work in order to make money. --ZachKudrna18@yahoo.com

• So? tregoweth 03:24, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

That's a lie! I know them personally! They are still friends!

*Sigh* Don't mind this folks.You can clearly tell this is a Lie. =\ Kelsie.&adores;.You

Mattel Dolls

The article twice mentions Mattel making dolls of the girls. They can't be released in July 2005 and released in August 2005. Somebody that knows, please fix.

The dolls were released in August 2005. The article has been updated with the incorrect information removed.

Cleanup tag.

This article reads like a fan page, has no cohesive style, is improperly formatted, and is hard-to-read. --FuriousFreddy 00:54, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

sadly, this article is beyond repair :( at least for me, anyway. maybe someone will care enough/have time to fix it though. -- getcrunkjuice^contribs 02:56, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

I Like the New Records Section

It is great to see all the accomplishments in one section.

Real Sales of Best-Selling Female Groups

TLC
Ooooooohhh.... On the TLC Tip: 6 million
CrazySexyCool: 15 million http://archive.gulfnews.com/articles/06/07/01/10050737.html
FanMail: 10 million
3D: 2 million
Now and Forever, The Hits: 1 million
Singles: 11 million
Total: 45 Million

Destiny's Child
Destiny's Child: 2 million copies
The Writing's on the Wall: 13 million http://www.ticketnest.com/concert-tickets/Beyonce/index.php
Survivor: 10 million
8 Days of Christmas: 1 million
This Is The Remix: 500,000 copies
Destiny Fulfilled: 6 million
#1's: 3.5 million
Singles: 14 million
Total: 100 million???? impossible..

Spice Girls
Spice: 23 million http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/6251176.stm
Spiceworld: 13 million
Forever: 2 million
Singles: 18.2 million
Greatest Hits (not included in the total): 1.7 million
Total: 55 million http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/6246448.stm
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.72.236.62 (talk) 20:35, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

one of the biggest selling girl band...the spice girls have sold double

they are ofter quoted as the biggest selling girl band (just ahead of tlc) selling 40 million albums and singles....but the spice girls sold 45 million albums and 30 million singles, thats almost DOUBLE Destiny's childs sales

and when the won the award for the one biggest selling girl group, that must have been for a group that was still around, there not the biggest selling of all time

the spice girls have sold more....... (and in a much shorter space of time)

i'm just stating facts

The sales you stated bare NO reality to fact. But you do bring up the point about which group has sold more records. It's a topic im investigating at the moment and will be reporting on it at a later date hopefully. Rimmers 00.22 13 March 2006 (UTC)

"Is to be quoted that they sold over 55million albums" anonymous 17.06 08 May 2006

The Spice Girls haven't sold more records than Destiny's Child. Many people who calculated their sales overlooked the conversions of platinum records in other countries. In America, a record is platinum if it sells one million copies. In Britain, the standard is like 300,000, because it is a significantly smaller country. Destiny's Child has sold more than 60 million albums, while the Spice Girls have sold 53 million.24.164.197.116 02:27, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Destiny's Child has sold a combined 100 million albums. This makes them (by far) the best-selling female group of all time.Jdot01 00:35, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

So not true, destiny's biggest seller was The writings on the wall, with about 12 mil sold worldwide, survivor around 9 mil and fulfilled about 7, the first album bout 2-3 mil and No 1's around the 3-4 mil mark as for the remix and christmas album compared to the others they pretty much sold nothing. i'd put Destiny around the 40 mil mark, the spices are second as dixie chicks have been announced the highest selling girl group of all time in any genre. im not completley sure about these figures although i have read them quite a few times in alot of diff places.

According to RIAA.com (who calculates sales minus returns), Destiny's Child has sold 17.5 million albums, coming behind TLC's 22 million and Dixie Chicks' 30.5 million. DC does, however, beat out Spice Girls with 11 million (UK platinum = 300k, US platinum = 1m). Even adding solo albums and singles doesn't put the sale's at 100 million. The Beatles are reported by RIAA as selling 170 million, while Garth Brooks sold 116 million. DC hasn't reached the same number of people as these guys. Furthermore, Beyonce, who's the most successful member, isn't even recorded on the RIAA with her counterparts, Alicia Keys and Brandy, who are both listed at 10.5 million sold. The point is they ARE NOT the best-selling female group of all time. More research should have been done to get the numbers right - it's all on the Net.

You guys are both only counting the album sales and not including the singles sales. Destiny's Child really has sold more than 100 million units worldwide, including their singles sales and their solo records, which do count as well. The RIAA is only for the United States.Jdot01 03:12, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Solo sales do not count, thats why they are called solo albums because their solo, alone, one, not in a group, i also doubt that they have sold like 50 milion singles which is what your implying219.90.154.96 15:01, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

These are just the figures for the US we are talking about wordlwide sales, sure DC has sold more in the US but in most other countries Spice and Spiceworld sold twice as much as any DC album, considering Spice has sold like 23 mil worldwide, thats Writings on the wall and Surviors worldwide sales combined219.90.154.96 16:13, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

The best selling all-female group of all times is actually Dixie Chicks. You can check that out on billboard.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.201.110.33 (talk) 22:16, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Besides, if you are going to add DC's single sales to their album tally, then you have to add Dixie Chicks, and TLC's single sales to their album tallies, which means they still sold more. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.192.176.30 (talk) 20:35, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Solo sales info included with group info

Why is the groups solo sales included in the introduction to the article? Their sales bare no connection to the groups sales.

Its a pretty blatent attempt at trying to make the groups sales look inflated and should be removed imo.

Rimmers 00.25 March 13 2006

I couldn't agree more. I read an article about the band, saying that they sold 50 million records. In the same article is said their debut sold 2 million copies worldwide, their second sold 10 million copies, third 9 million copies. That's only 21 million copies. Which means their last album and a remix CD sold 29 million copies? Highly doubtful. Even with Beyonce's sales included I doubt it totals to 29 million copies. Fact is TLC is the biggest selling female group. KingU 18:58, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

"Is to be verified that they sold 4,5million on its first album, 13,3million on its second, 11million on its third, 1million on its fourth, 0,6 on the remix, 9million on the sixth and 5million on its last album. Look for information on RIAA database where they show everything about record sales" anonymous 17.12 08 May 2006

Except the RIAA says that those figures are wrong

DC is not best-selling female group, that its sales include sales of beyonce. the best selling is Spice Girls, the first album sold 23 million, second 14 million, third sold 3 million, Greatest Hits sold 2 million, and 18 million for singles...

• DC first album sold 1 million copies
• DC second album sold 12 million copies
• DC third album sold 9 million copies
• DC fourth album sold 6 million copies
• DC Christman album sold 300k-500k copies
• DC GREATESTHITS sold 2,5000,000-3,000,000 copies

DC TOTAL album sales should be around 30-35 million

DC has sold around 15 million singles W.W. also

OVERALL, DC has sold 50 million records. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Beyoncefan504 (talk • contribs) 06:05, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Beyoncé's summary and other bandmates on DC main article

Someone edited the parts showing the recent development of other bandmates and focused everything else on Beyoncé's part, this should be investigated with accuracy. Also added Gospel to Genre's and the last appearence is to be counted as years active

Destiny's Back?

Is it true that they could possibly have a 2009 album entitled, "Destiny's Back?" Is it a rumor? I must know if they getting back together.Blueandgold200 04:44, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Define 'together'? They said they are going to keep performing together and stuff like that. But it is uncertain if another Destiny Fullfilled is going to come out.

I mean like as a group. I read the tour in 2011 (how can you plan something so far away??) but I mean together/group.Blueandgold200 04:44, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Even though this is kinda off topic can someone help the new list of best-selling remix albums worldwide with its structure.

They are kinda like either promoting or recording their new albums. So I don't think they have time to record a new album..--68.240.136.251 03:55, 9 December 2006 (UTC)Ъ

I think it's only a matter of time before they release another album, but it probably wont be for many years. I read in an interview a while ago where Beyoncé said after Destiny Fulfilled it was going to be a while before we heard from them, but she never mentioned them never making another album. And besides, who cuts their career off at 4 albums? That's unheard of. They'll be back...Jdot01 00:53, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Eh? People who sell only 4 albums?

Pop songs

Why don't Destiny's Child's singles have pop in the genre? Survivor is a very poppy album and does not have pop in the genre.Because survior is pop and so is emtions Charmed36 01:39, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Main section - plagiarism

Large portions of the main section of this piece are lifted directly from the All Music Guide. The passage immediately following the quote from Stephen Thomas Erlewine - the part about the LaToya Luckett law suit - is simply cut and pasted from AMG. Presumably this will be deleted?

Under Background infomation

They didnt break up they are just not active they are like the backstreet boys and under background infomation Beyonce Michelle and Kelly are still part of destiny child

Another Destiny Child Reunion

On June 26th, 2007 Destiny Child reunited at the BET Awards 07 During the performance of Beyonce. After Commercials the awards came back with Beyonce appearing from under the stage. As her intro went on she lead into "Get Me Bodied" from her second debut album "B'Day. As Beyonce starts to sing the extended part of "Get Me Bodied" Michelle Williams & Beyonce's Sister Solonge are Beyonce's back-up dancers & then leave the stage as Beyonce walks on.As she finishes her song Mo'Nique appears and dances with Beyonce and then they introduce Kelly Rowland. As she enters from the Crowd Beyonce & Mo'Nique leave the stage. Kelly sings her first debut single from her upcoming album "Ms.Kelly" "Like This featuring EVE. As EVE raps her part of the song,Kelly leaves. As soon as EVE is finished Kelly pops up a pop-up toaster then soon does Beyonce,Michelle Williams, and Solonge. They then do there own solos to the rest of Kelly's song. The song ends and they get outstanding applause from the crowd!

Future album/reunion

I have moved the following material here because it is unsourced and highly speculative:

==Destiny's Child Reunion and Fifth Studio Album==

Destiny's Child is reportedly reuniting in 2009 according to an interview given by Mathew Knowles. He said in the interview, "I believe that is the time that the girls will get back into the studio together and make another album." He said the Destiny's Child reunion was always coming but no one knew when until recently. Apparently the girls want to finish up their solo projects. Beyonce is currently in the studio working on her yet-to-be-titled third solo album. Kelly is working on her re-release to be out in early 2008 and Michelle will release her album in early 2008 as well. The girls will finish up their solo projects before hitting the recording studios for their fifth album. Solange Knowles is also reportedly joining Destiny's Child for the new album.

Beyoncé Knowles, Kelly Rowland and Michelle Williams have been inspired to reunite by the Spice Girls recent comeback, and are planning to discuss working together again over the Christmas period.

Kelly said: "This current spate of reunions has given us ideas. Despite what people say we are all still really close."

"A couple of weeks ago Beyoncé did a show in Los Angeles and asked me and Michelle to join her on stage to sing 'Survivor'. The emotion was incredible and it felt so good to be back up there with the girls again."

"It was a real tear-jerker. The fans were crying and going nuts. It was magical. I'd definitely like us to do more stuff like that."

Kelly - who enjoyed a successful solo career after the band split in June 2005 - will be joining Beyoncé and the entire Knowles family for Christmas dinner.

She said: "As ever, Beyoncé and I will be spending Christmas day together, it will be a real family affair."

Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not#Wikipedia is not a crystal ball applies here. Rumors and speculation about a reunion or future album do not belong in this article unless they are verifiable from reliable published sources. Blogs, forums and similar web sites are not reliable sources. -- Donald Albury 11:53, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Massive revamp

This article about a former singing group should be on GA or FA. I started cleaning up the page and sourcing as well. This is highly unsourced, so its hard to retain what is already written (Im trying to find, though). Thank you. --Efe (talk) 14:07, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

GA review

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

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This article is in decent shape, but it needs more work before it becomes a Good Article.

1. Is it well written?

   A. The prose is clear and concise, and the spelling and grammar are correct:

   In the History section, "with LeToya Luckett's inclusion who auditioned to them in 1993", who auditioned to them sounds strange and might have to be re-worded. Rephrased "Same that year", sounds a bit off and needs to be re-written. Fixed This sentence ---> "they were signed to Elektra Records, but was dropped before they could release an album", "was" should be replaced with "were". Fixed

   B. It complies with the manual of style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation:

2. Is it verifiable with no original research, as shown by a source spot-check?

   A. It contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline:

   B. Reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose):

   Does Reference 3 cover the info. about them being dropped from Elektra Records? Sourced now (from VH1) Is there a source for the song "Killing Time" being used in the Men In Black soundtrack? Covered by ref 3; now sourced directly Is there a source for this ---> "bringing in a new lineup of producers, including Kevin "She'kspere" Briggs, Rodney Jerkins, and Dwayne Wiggins"? Briggs is sourced; Wiggins is removed; Jerkins is not sourced but factual. Source ---> ""Bills, Bills, Bills" was released in the summer of 1999 as the album's lead single, which reached the top spot of the Billboard Hot 100, becoming their first US number-one single" and "The second single, "Bug a Boo", hit the Top 40 pop charts". Bills and Bug are sourced, again, the article written by Kaufman from MTV News. Is there a source for Robertson and Luckett taking legal action against the group? Sourced A source is needed for Robertson and Luckett dropping the lawsuit against the group. Sourced "In June 2000, the albums fourth single, "Jumpin' Jumpin'", became a top-five hit", source? Copy edited and its supported by Kaufman Is there a source for them opening for both Christina Aguilera and Britney Spears? Aguilera is supported by Kaufman. Miss Spears is not but its true. I saw her DVD Live and More! (2000) and Destiny's Child was there. Source ---> "Now in their final lineup, Destiny's Child recorded a theme song for the film version of Charlie's Angels". That paragraph is supported by Kaufman article Source, "In addition, Knowles completely lead song like "Brown Eyes", "Dance With Me", "Dangerously in Love" and "Perfect Man". However, the lead vocals on the majority of songs on the album are divided evenly, where Knowles and Rowland sing a verse each and Williams does the bridge, although there are some variations". I don't know where to find this. Its already there before I edited DC and I did not remove it because its true. For "DinLove", almost no voice from the other two; for other songs, Williams is always on the bridge ("Survivor"), and sometimes not—its varied. In the 2000-2002 section, "The first three singles, "Independent Women Part I", "Survivor" and "Bootylicious" were huge hits; Sourced the first two were consecutive number-one singles in the UK Sourced and the last becoming the group's fourth US number-one single" Removed and "In the US, Survivor was the seventh highest-selling album in 2001", need a source. Cant find. Removed. Also, I sourced those you missed in this part =) Their two Grammy wins need a source. Sourced The release of "This is the Remix" needs a source. Sourced The entire section of 2002-2004, need some sourcing. Done In the 2004-2005 section, "as well as becoming executive producers aside from their manager. Sourced. This was also evident in the art cover of the album, as Knowles no longer assumed the central position-this is occupied by Williams and Rowland, who are the central figure on the cover of Destiny Fulfilled, Sourced as well as a lot of the accompanying photography and posters promoting the album", needs a source. The singles from Destiny Fulfilled, songs, "Lose My Breath", "Soldier", "Cater 2 U" and "Girl", need a source. No need "In support of the album, a worldwide concert tour, Destiny Fulfilled... and Lovin' It Tour, visited sixteen countries and over seventy-five cities worldwide, which started in Hiroshima, Japan on April 9, 2005, and concluded in Vancouver, Canada; stops included Australia, Europe, and the US and Canada", needs a source. Clean-up. Sourced.

   C. It contains no original research:

   D. It contains no copyright violations nor plagiarism:

3. Is it broad in its coverage?

   A. It addresses the main aspects of the topic:

   B. It stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style):

4. Is it neutral?

   It represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each:

5. Is it stable?

   It does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute:

6. Is it illustrated, if possible, by images?

   A. Images are tagged with their copyright status, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content:

   B. Images are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions:

7. Overall:

   Pass or Fail:

   This article is in need of a lot of sourcing. But, if the statements above can be answered, I will pass the article. Good luck with improving this article!

--  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 01:58, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Thank you to Efe who got the stuff I left at the talk page and the stuff that I missed, because I have gone off and placed the article as GA. Congrats. ;) --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 18:41, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Incomplete sentence?

Currently the intro includes this sentence:

"While in their commercial peak, the group was plagued by public turmoil involving lawsuits; it eventually preempted two members."

Is that use of preempted meaningful without more information?

Ordinary Person (talk) 21:21, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Fixing. --Efe (talk) 02:04, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

DC3

I've just undone an IP edit suggesting that Destiny's Child are also sometimes known as DC3. Does anyone have a source for this, because it is also mentioned (unsourced) on the page DC3. Thank you John Sloan (talk) 11:49, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

I have read some news article calling them DC3 but so far, DC is safe. --Efe (talk) 12:23, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Theres a song on there "Survivor" album called "Outro (DC-3) Thank You" and some of the lyrics are: DC-3 forever, I'm thanking you... surely this is enough proof. --Wneedham02 (talk) 21:40, 01 September 2008 (UTC)

Support. --Efe (talk) 02:55, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Photo

Can no-one find a photo of the three of them please?  SmokeyTheCat  •TALK• 12:37, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Its hard to find non-free images of the three of them, but we can actually fair use images. --Efe (talk) 12:45, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Ambiguous Phrasing

"the group was plagued by internal conflict and legal turmoil, as members LaTavia Roberson and LeToya Luckett attempted to terminate the group's manager (and Knowles' father) Matthew Knowles"

No doubt Luckett and Roberson were mightily hacked off, but surely not to the extent of trying to take the guy out?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.145.195.137 (talk) 18:12, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

"Destiny's Child was an R&B girl group comprising lead singer Beyoncé Knowles alongside Kelly Rowland and Michelle Williams."

While these three were the members of the group when they disbanded, this statement is misleading at best and the omission of the other members is further compounded when they are mentioned as leaving the group when they were not previously mentioned as members in the first place. --Theologikal (talk) 09:44, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Native American musical group

How is it that the African American musical group can stay but the Native American musical group can not. It seems biased and unfair one memeber of the group is all that is needed. It's known that Beyonce Knowles has notable Native American heritage without doubt. I don't see the problem. One member ethnically is of Native blood without a doubt and that's all that is required. What's the problem?Mcelite (talk) 01:54, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Definitely not. None of them are Native American. That's where I see the problem. Only one member of three with only partial Native American heritage does not nearly suffice to add a Native American musical group category. All of them are African American; that's how the African American category can stay. None of them are Native American; they are not a Native American musical group. That's not biased, that's basic common sense. Surelyhuman (talk) 18:31, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

They are not full blood African American nor full blood Native American. The group wasn't created soley for full bloods. The group was created for singing groups that have at least one Native American member with full or partial descent.Mcelite (talk) 04:37, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Being African American also means that you most likely have a minority of some non-black racial admixture. Quote from you: "The group was created for singing groups that have at least one Native American member," and Destiny's Child does not have at least one Native American member; and only one such member would not not suffice to be a Native American group anyway. A Native American musical group is a group where at least the majority of the members are Native American, which Destiny's Child is not. Surelyhuman (talk) 14:02, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Then by your logic African American musical groups wouldn't apply either. The category also includes people of partial descent as well. A full blood native is not required for this category.Mcelite (talk) 02:21, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

No, because again being African American also means that you most likely have a minority of some non-black racial admixture. Since that applies across the board, it's a standard, and not an exception. And again, a Native American musical group is a group where at least the majority of the members are Native American, which Destiny's Child is not, especially since it doesn't have even one Native American member. Surelyhuman (talk) 09:35, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

a reconciliation

shouldnt it be noted that they are going to make a new album in 2010 or 2011... their contract states that they have one more studio album to produce. so they should still be present. i dont have any proof of this, but perezhilton.com posted an article a long time ago saying this.96.51.30.22 (talk) 13:05, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

If there's a reliable source that can be cited, it's OK. Otherwise, it's just celebrity gossip - including the idea that they "owe" Warner Bros. another album. Even if WB decides to strictly enforce that clause (if it's true) sometimes artists will submit something truly awful in order to simply get out of a contract, knowing the record company would never release it. Famous case in point: John Lennon and Yoko Ono's "Wedding Album", which was two LPs, one of jamming in a bedroom, and the other a whole disk of shortwave radio being tuned. (Though Apple Records decided to release the stupid thing anyway!) Prince did something similar, during his "SLAVE" period. And remember, in this day-and-age, "reuniting" for an album can be nothing more than each singer recording music files being passed back and forth between recording studios, and the members are never actually in the same place at the same time. If they announce they're going to tour again, that would be "reuniting".JMax555 (talk) 17:09, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

Group Timeline

I'm trying to add a timeline to music group pages that have had significant accomplishments & membership lineup changes. A User here keeps deleting my timelines, because they say it is irrelevant. The timeline is a very good way to show the reader how the group has progressed through it's active years. What is so "irrelevant" about this timeline?:

Group & Membership Timeline

1990 Girls Tyme formed	1991 Star Search appearance	1992	1993 Lineup change to four members	1994	1995	1996 Name change to Destiny's Child	1997	1998 Debut album released	1999 The Wrttings on the Wall album released	2000 Membership lineup change	2001 Survivor album released	2002	2003	2004 Destiny Fulfilled album released	2005 #1's album released	2006 Disbandment
Beyonce Knowles
	Kelly Rowland
LaTavia Roberson										Michelle Williams
	Tamar Davis		Calum Hood								LeToya Luckett							Farrah Franklin
Nikki Taylor
Nina Taylor

I think we need to keep the timelines, anyone else?

To be honest, it looks quite messy and confusing. I just don't think it's really needed, since all the official members' timelines are already mentioned under the article's info box. The mention of Nikki and Nina Taylor and Tamara Davis from "Girls Tyme" in this chart isn't relevant either, as this article is specifically about Destiny's Child, not Girls Tyme. Additionally, all three past members and the old group are mentioned in the "Early beginnings" section of the page. I'm sure you put a significant amount of time and effort into making this, which is a great contribution to the article - but a useless contribution, nevertheless. Sorry. Percxyz (Call me Percy, it's easier) 01:48, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Anjel info is wrong, plus redirection

When the article goes on to say 'Roberson and Luckett formed another girl group Anjel but were unsuccessful in record sales and publicity.'

That's not true, because they were never able to release an album as Anjel. The label went under. That's why they never got to do anything, because the label folded.

And why does Anjel redirect to DC when the part I posted is literally the ONLY information available on Anjel in this article. The redirection should go, because the DC article doesn't give any real information about Anjel and Anjel has nothing to do with DC aside from being created by LeToya and LaTavia.

(70.78.200.86 (talk) 07:53, 29 March 2011 (UTC))

WMA best selling female group.

I find the part that says "According to the World Music Awards they are the best selling female group of all time" to be somewhat misleading. Although it is true they were given that award, according to the facts the Spice Girls have sold a good 10million more records and are therefore in reality better selling. Shouldn't it be noted that they are not actually the best selling? After all this is supposed to be an entry in an encyclopedia not a peice of positive PR for the group! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.109.254.234 (talk) 18:59, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

I agree, this is a joke! The Spice Girls sold 66 million records. I'm sorry but the only way to say who is "best selling" is by record sales NOT a World Music Award! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.220.185.138 (talk) 03:15, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

Destiny's Child appear to be "stuck" on sales of approximately 60 million according to this very encyclopedia , whereas Spice Girls now appear to have sold 75 million records. It's time someone corrected this error as well as those of Beyonce, Michelle Williams and Kelly Rowland. Paulm143 (talk) 19:35, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Forget the Spice Girls or Destiny's Child, the best known girl-band in History is also the best-selling : The Supremes, with nearly 100 millions albums. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.138.5.87 (talk) 10:37, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Somebody needs to sort this. It's embarrassing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.108.7.23 (talk) 08:28, 10 April 2011 (UTC) The Supremes are probably the most well loved and critically respected Girl Group of all time BUT The facts are that they only sold 20 million records. Destiny's Child sold between 50-60 million. The Spice Girls have sold at least 75 Million and have therfor sold the most. This fact should be noted within this article. It's misleading to say that Destiny's Child are recognized as best selling girl group of all time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.168.135.54 (talk) 00:06, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

...Disbanded?

Destiny's Child is on an indefinite hiatus. Kelly, Beyonce, nor Michelle have 'left' the group. They are still the 'current' members and the group is still around, just not releasing music. They are still signed to Columbia, and Michelle Williams has recently stated in an interview (can provide link if needed) that Mathew Knowles is still the manager of Destiny's Child. Mathew Knowles has also recently said in a statement himself in regards to him no longer being Beyonce's manager that “Music World (Mathew's management company) will continue its partnership with Sony with Destiny’s Child." I think the article should be reworked in such a way where it states that Destiny's Child is on a hiatus, BUT they are still signed with Columbia and still managed by Mathew Knowles, so they have not disbanded.173.75.164.240 (talk) 20:08, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

The multi award winning girl group was once made up of four members: Beyonce Knowles, Kelly Rowland, and Atlanta born twins Eva and Kassie Blanca. After just four single releases from the group, Mathew Knowles decided to remove Eva and Kassie from the group as he said that their vocals weren't powerful enough to match Beyonce and Kelly's. Following their departure, 22 year old Michelle Williams joined the group. Although her vocal and dancing ability were not as iconic as Knowles and Rowland's, Mathew Knowles decided to make no further changes to the band. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alexjoshthomas (talk • contribs) 12:12, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Rowland became the first member of Destiny's Child to have a number one hit; her global successful collabaration with Nelly reached number one in numerous countries. Following her success, she released her first album 'Simply Deep' which sold an impressive 2.5 million copies worldwide and was certified Platinum in the UK. During this time in 2002, fellow bandmate Beyonce Knowles also released her first single as a solo artist: 'Work It Out' which unfortunatly had limited success. However, after the band's departure in 2005, Beyonce became the more iconic music artist, with over 75 million records sold worldwide according to her record label in December 2010. Kelly Rowland also managed to release numerous successful singles, including 'Work', 'Like This', 'Commander' and one of the biggest selling Dance tracks of all time 'When love takes over'. The third member of Destiny's Child: Michelle Williams reportedly took a step out of the music industry after the band's departure, allegations were made that she was dropped by her record label. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alexjoshthomas (talk • contribs) 13:33, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Page Not Found

Here: [1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Beyoncetan (talk • contribs) 14:16, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

If needed

• http://www.billboard.com/#/features/18-bands-ripe-for-a-reunion-1005428872.story?page=3

★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 11:35, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

total sales

according billboard DC has sold 50, 60 or 75 million total records? (including studio album, remix album, ep, single, collection, video, mastertone). Thanks--Music&Co (talk) 23:10, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Photos

It's unthinkable that in the whole article there isn't at least a photos of Beyoncé and Kelly, the only two that have founded the group and there have been up to the breakup, the only with a leader role and co-leader, the only ones that have won Grammys as a solo and other prizes, the only that have sold million records worldwide (75 Beyoncés and 24 Kelly), the only with international successes. AND THERE ARE HERE PHOTOS OF MICHELLE AND SOLANGE... ABSURD!--Music&Co (talk) 20:39, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

Only relevant photos should be included. Michelle's is because of her replacing 2 other members. Solange because she was said to be joining the group, but didn't. You don't include photos just for the hell of it, you know. And the 3 final members are in the infobox.  — Statυs (talk, contribs) 20:44, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

2013

You people are being way too narrow minded on this issue. Saying 2013 in the infobox doesn't mean they did something the entire year. Many bands have brief reunions like this. (i.e. Spice Girls in 2012). Fact is, they went into the studio together to record a new song and they performed together. That's more than one instance of them working together as a band this year. That IS being active. Just because it was brief doesn't mean they didn't work together as Destiny's Child. --Shadow (talk) 05:53, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

And as for the hiatus, as I said "They were still together as a band. Hundreds of bands take a few year hiatus without breaking up and it still lists those years in the templates". And this applies to solo artists as well. --Shadow (talk) 06:14, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

I don't know if you don't realize they are releasing a new album or if it doesn't matter. Would you agree that releasing an album of new material is something a group doesn't that doesn't exist doesn't often do?[2] Is there some ref to say that they aren't "current", and if not how are you defining that? ▫ JohnnyMrNinja 08:12, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

They haven't released a "an album of new material", they their record label released a compilation album of their "best" ballads, which one of the songs is being marketed as being new (the fact that the song is newly recorded has been heavily disputed, and the fact that Michelle said otherwise does not confirm it, as she could just simply be saying that so people don't feel like they are being ripped off.) Michelle and Kelly joined Beyonce to perform, nowhere was it promoted as being Destiny's Child performing. The Spice Girls reunion consisted of a performance at the Olympics and a musical based on their career, that spread several months. A compilation release (one also came out in 2012, mind you) does not mean "active", nor does Kelly and Michelle joining Beyonce at the Super Bowl. If it was promoted as Destiny's Child headlining the Super Bowl, however, that is a different story. And please, Shadow, keep the personal jabs to yourself. Calling people "narrow minded" is not an appropriate. Comment on content, not the editor.  — Statυs (talk, contribs) 04:49, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

There were no personal jabs at all. It doesn't have to be promoted to make it official. Kelly and Michelle were suppose to be surprise performers, so of course they aren't going to announce them. And were did you see that they didn't record the song recently, because I've searched and seen nothing but how they just recently went into the studio. --Shadow (talk) 06:01, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

I added some information about "Nuclear" to the Love Songs article, and I'm pretty sure none of the sources mentioned they recorded the song recently. Knowles and the others have talked about the music and performance, but absolutely nothing has been confirmed about them being a group again. Rowland and Williams were only her guests at the SuperBowl. Also, why should the years they were on hiatus be in "years active", considering they were inactive..? Doesn't make sense at all. They don't have to break up for there to be a break in the info-box. This should be acknowledged. Arre 06:52, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

I'm going by what I've seen on Wikipedia for almost a decade now. You see artists and bands pages and it shows the entire time they were together even when they did take a break. --Shadow (talk) 02:51, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

References needed re: DC's home church and the source of their name

I noticed that when the article discusses the Knowles'/DC's home church in Houston, there's no mention of what that church is. It's St. John's Methodist Church in downtown Houston, a vibrant church with an active website that ought to at least be mentioned by name in a footnote, if not in the text of the article, with a link to their site (imo). Also, the article mentions that the name of the group was taken from a passage in Isaiah and again there is no reference to identify that passage specifically. Although there are two footnotes to other DC sources, those notes do not specifically guide readers to the information about that claim (that the name is derived from Scripture). A search of the book of Isaiah revealed only one reference to "Destiny" and that was not in a favorable light. I have been unable to corroborate the statement and if I were the chief editor of this page I'd remove it until I could. That's all. Oh and someone should add a mention about the group's appearance at the Superbowl 2013 halftime. (A≠non-A (talk) 18:07, 4 March 2013 (UTC))

Yes it'd be great to know the meaning of "Destiny's Child" and its relation to the Book of Isaiah. It's as simply put in the Beyoncé article as well: Not clear at all.--Aichik (talk) 18:09, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

Original manager Andretta Tillman

Mathew Knowles didn't start managing the entire group until 1997, after founder and original manager Andretta Tillman died of Lupus. They were signed to Elektra in 1993 but were dropped two years before they were signed to Colombia.[3] As far as I can tell, the audition they met at was for "The Dollz",[4] which was a separate but similar group in the area managed by Janice Cummings. DC was originally named Girl's Tyme, but did use the names Something Fresh, Cliche and The Dolls (not "The Dollz") before settling on DC.[5] So, though Keke Wyatt claims to have been a part of DC when it was originally called "The Dollz", that was just a similar group that several DC girls auditioned for (the closest ref I can find for this is [6], which is obvious copyvio, but I can't find the original). Several sources list Tillman as the original manager, and having held auditions when Beyonce was 10 in 1990. Other sources list Mr. Knowles as the original manager, and Beyonce joining the group when she was 8, with her mom as the original stylist.[7]

I'm just putting this all down here because this is confusing the crap out of me, and I'm hoping that someone with access to all of these non-internet refs used in the history section can clear some of this up. If I were to use my WP:SYNTHESIS I would surmise that Mr. Knowles put together a group included his daughter and her cousin Rowland in 1988, which included LaTavia Roberson whom they had already met when they auditioned for "The Dollz" (the ref used in the article does not say they met Roberson in 1990, rather it says she was already a friend when they formed the group in 1990[8]). This group performed in garage shows for $2 and at local churches, etc. In 1990, Andretta Tillman formed Girl's Tyme with Knowles and Roberson,[9] eventually adding Rowland in 1991. Tillman gets them onto Star Search in 1992, and gets them signed with Elektra in 1993 (only to be dropped the following year), all before Mr. Knowles begins managing the group. Mr. Knowles quits his job in 1996 to help manage the group, helping to get their Columbia contract and debut album,[10] eventually taking over as full-time manager when Tillman passes in 1997 (it makes sense that his transition was gradual, lupus isn't a sudden death). Feel free to correct me on anything I've gotten wrong here. I won't add any synthesis to the article, but I'd like to get an idea of the actual story before I change the factually incorrect info. ▫ JohnnyMrNinja 23:01, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

"American Christians" tag

In their song Survivor, they state "I'm going to bless you" "I'm not going to compromise my Christianity" 129.180.159.196 (talk) 02:21, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

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Name Origin

Page needs information on the origin of the name "Destiny's Child". It talks about previous incarnations of the group, and then just slips into Destiny's Child without description of where the name came from. There is information on pages [here] and [here], but I would like to see something a bit more definitive. SongMonk (talk) 19:02, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

This article is still on the process of massive revamp (see above comment). Destiny's Child is taken from a passage in a biblical book and I myself believe that this information cannot fully suffice. Im looking for the transistion of name change, like why and how, and thank you for the links. --Efe (talk) 03:14, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

BTW, I will not change or add any information about the name because those two sources have different versions and seems not so reliable. --Efe (talk) 09:29, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm curious too about the name. There was an episode of Bonanza named Destiny's Child.Flight Risk (talk) 19:25, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

Just found this:

"BLACK BEAT: From day one, I have been wondering where you came up with the name "Destiny's Child"?

La Tavia: We got that name out of the Bible. One day Beyonce's mom was about to read The Bible and she opened it up to read a scripture in Isaiah. Our picture fell out. Under our picture in bold-faced print was the word "destiny". At the time we were looking for a name, so felt that God was sending us this name. We found out that a lot groups had the name, so we had "Child", as a rebirth of Destiny."Flight Risk(talk) 19:33, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

My reason for removing the 'Solo careers' section.

I made a bold decision to remove the Solo careers section because it is not necessary for this article. The whole thing seems fancruft, like something a fan wrote to promote the girls' solo successes. Also, most of the information was not sourced. If people want to read about each member's solo stats, they've got their own individual articles for that. This article is about Destiny's Child the group, not their solo careers. I hope whoever wrote it understands why I removed it. Thanks, Lightsout (talk) 21:56, 3 September 2016 (UTC)

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Girl's Tyme, 1990

I’m dubious of the statement “Destiny's Child members began their musical career as Girl's Tyme, formed in 1990...”

Reference1 says 1990; but also says Kelly joined in 1992. Wiki says that LaTavia Roberson) was aged 9 when she met Beyoncé (also aged 9); so Girl’s Tyme must have formed after 31Oct 1990, quite possibly many months after; maybe in 1992?

They were Girl's Tyme for Star Search, 1993.

Also; the article doesn’t say when they signed that record deal as Destiny; though I presume 1995.

MBG02 (talk) 14:59, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

Girls Tyme

It says the group was cut down to six members, but it doesn't say anything about how many were in the original group.

• • • big bump on this*** — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.60.219.125 (talk) 19:33, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

Edit request

Please change "In 2002, they announced a hiatus to pursue solo careers" to "In 2001, they announced a hiatus to pursue solo careers" (Source: https://www.billboard.com/articles/news/77523/destinys-child-to-take-hiatus) with a reference added to the article.

 Done WikiMacaroons^Cinnamon? 12:14, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

Disbandment and aftermath

I was interested in what lead to the disbandment of "Destiny's Child", but dispite its heading did not even give me a date let alone reason for the group to split. This is misleading. The title heading 'aftermath' carries a more ominous meaning to me instead of the bandmembers ongoing collaboration. This needs some work.83.160.54.114 (talk) 14:10, 18 February 2021 (UTC)