Talk:Diane Leather

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• ... that Diane Leather was the first woman to run a mile in under five minutes?

• Source: https://www.athleticsweekly.com/news/mile-legend-diane-leather-dies-1038762/

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Typhoon Thelma (1977)

5x expanded by Oldelpaso (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

Oldelpaso (talk) 22:24, 14 October 2024 (UTC).

• Can we do better than this? If any woman has run the mile in under 5 minutes, someone had to be the first, and the hook doesn't provide any more information. (t · c) buidhe 23:51, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

Are you saying a world record isn't notable and/or hook worthy? Or are you asking for more context such as a link to Mile run world record progression? I was trying to keep the hook as succinct as possible. Oldelpaso (talk) 02:01, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Another issue is that the hook proposed is a "first" hook, which per WP:DYKHOOK usually needs exceptionally strong sourcing given the exceptional claim involved (how are we sure that no other woman before Leather ran a mile in under five minutes?) Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:21, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

The article includes cites describing her in those terms from the World Athletics website (the organisation that ratifies world records in the discipline, formerly known as the IAAF)[1], the BBC [2], Guardian [3], NYT [4], Washington Post [5] and others. Oldelpaso (talk) 21:37, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

I could work in some reference to Roger Bannister in the hook, as his far more well-known first sub-four minute mile occurred the same month and thus they are frequently compared, but I'd rather not. It was how overlooked Leather's achievement was compared to the male equivalent that prompted me to expand the article in the first place! Oldelpaso (talk) 21:55, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

• ... ALT1 ... that Diane Leather's records for the mile in 1953 and 1954 were labelled "world best" rather than "world record" because the distance was not officially recognised for women until 1967? @Oldelpaso, Narutolovehinata5, and Buidhe: See source here. Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 00:32, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

A bit of a late comment, but ALT1 is probably a lot better because it's not a "first" hook and is thus more likely to be accurate. Plus it's also arguably more intriguing than a simple "first" hook. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:16, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

• I'm not seeing the hook fact in the quoted source. I didn't see the phrase "World best" at all on the cited page. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 23:31, 21 November 2024 (UTC)