Talk:Digha–Sonpur Bridge

Requested move 18 July 2016

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The result of the move request was: Moved to Digha–Sonpur bridge, per WP:CONCISE and to match the official name of Sonpur, Bihar. No such user (talk) 21:08, 8 August 2016 (UTC)

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Digha–Sonepur rail–cum-road bridge → Digha–Sonepur rail–road bridge – The "cum" or "and" is implied by the en dash, and it's more commonly seen without the cum. This novice editor doesn't know about dashes, and created a bizarre title mixing en dash with hyphen in a horrible way. – Dicklyon (talk) 04:25, 18 July 2016 (UTC) --Relisting. Omni Flames (talk) 08:18, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

@Dicklyon: This is a contested technical request (permalink). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 04:27, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

• In USA usage a railroad is a railway; there is risk of confusion here. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 04:27, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

@Drmsonepur: Please comment since it's about your move being undone. Dicklyon (talk) 02:53, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

• Support as a revert of an undiscussed malformed move that resulted in the chimera of dash and hyphen "rail–cum-road" that suggests a combination rail with a "cum-road". The en dash in "rail–road bridge", like in bridge–tunnel, clearly signifies an "and" or "cum" relationship between parallel items rail and road, and is not confusable with "railroad" as AA suggests. It is not uncommon in sources. After reverting this error, we can separately decide if editors prefer an explicit "cum" with hyphens (not with an en dash or two as now). Dicklyon (talk) 04:44, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
• Move to Digha–Sonepur bridge, per WP:CONCISE policy, since adding other claptrap to the name is unnecessary over-disambiguation, which we avoid. Agree that the present, confused name is the result of an undiscussed move, and that it is badly malformed; the second en dash is wrong, and cum is not necessary anyway (nor is it much used in 21st-century English in this sense, being more often encountered as a slang term for the male ejaculate). Why to use the shorter version: Titles exist so people know they're at the right article; they do not exist as information conduits of educational content about the topic, like what kind of bridge it has been in what order. That's what the lead and/or "History" sections are for. Even if moved back to Digha–Sonepur rail–road bridge, this is an inappropriate use of WP:DESCRIPTDIS when no such descriptive disambiguation is needed. Finally, I don't really buy the "Americans' brains will melt and mis-parse 'rail–road' as 'railroad'" fear, should a longer name be kept for some reason. The obvious solution to that imaginary problem would be to use "road–rail bridge" or "rail and road bridge", but we already know this verbiage is superfluous, so just excise it. Ask yourself if there would be any reason to move this to "Digha–Sonepur bridge (rail and road)". If that disambiguation is not needed, it is not needed in any other form than parenthetic, either.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ≼  05:56, 20 July 2016 (UTC)
• The bridge has not yet been named, probably because the road part is not yet functional. I have a feeling that once the bridge is named the page will have to be moved to that new name. For the time being the earlier name is okay. - Chandan Guha (talk) 00:52, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

Which previous name do you prefer? Digha–Sonepur rail–road bridge, or Ganga rail–road bridge? Dicklyon (talk) 02:50, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

I prefer Digha–Sonepur rail–road bridge. - Chandan Guha (talk) 04:16, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

I do, too. And that reverts the bizarrely broken move. It's what I requested as a technical. I would also be OK with SMcCandlish's suggestion, but a simple revert of the crazy move seems like a good place to start. Dicklyon (talk) 04:57, 31 July 2016 (UTC)

However, since the Indian editor has since moved it and indicated the Sonpur is official over Sonepur in English, I went ahead and moved it again to fix the cum. If a closer wants to move it differently, that's OK, too, as long as we don't end up with en dashes where hyphens belong or vice versa. Dicklyon (talk) 05:17, 31 July 2016 (UTC)

• Move to Digha–Sonepur bridge per SMcCandlish. When I first saw this I thought it was a "railroad" bridge that someone had written really badly as "rail–road", so this concern is real. Furthermore, as SMcCandlish says, there is absolutely no reason per WP:CONCISE why we need to say what kind of bridge it is, as there's no other contender, and it is not officially named yet.  — Amakuru (talk) 17:08, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

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