Talk:Dimethoxytrityl

Wrong substance identified in chembox

Should this be C₂₁H₁₉O₂ with smiles of COC1=CC=C(C=C1)[C](C2=CC=CC=C2)C3=CC=C(C=C3)OC as the central carbon is a radical without hydrogen attached? Or is it a cation with smiles COC1=CC=C(C=C1)[C+](C2=CC=CC=C2)C3=CC=C(C=C3)OC Graeme Bartlett (talk) 01:30, 4 May 2022 (UTC)

​There IMHO should not be chembox at all, since functional group is not a real chemical individuum. —Mykhal (talk) 20:22, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

But it does exist as an separate substance according to the article. PubChem takes this to have hydrogen and calls it "4,4'-Benzylidenedianisole"[1] Wikidata[2] has a substance with hydrogen, but calls it a "cation". Graeme Bartlett (talk) 21:05, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

Mykhal, I agree, the whole chembox should be taken down, and it should just be a figure like the wiki article on Boc or Fmoc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.228.101.246 (talk) 16:29, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

After just checking your edits, Mykhal, I see that you've been here plenty long enough  – much longer than I have – to know all I say below. Sorry to patronize you here; I'm leaving it up for anon's sake. Bernanke's Crossbow (talk) 08:19, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

​Mykhal & anon: There is long-standing consensus that {{Chembox}} should be used for ions as well as molecules, and the reasoning presumably applies to radicals as well. Written documentation of the practice is rather thin, but does exist. The last comments proposing to do otherwise occurred at least a decade ago, but there (I think) some merit to the idea: chemboxen are inappropriate for families of compounds, and the boundary between a common ion and its family of salts can prove rather thin. The current choice enables consistency with our treatment of charged pharmaceuticals, whose articles are at the proprietary name of the active ion, not the formulation-variant neutral salt, but still deserve a chembox. If you want to modify the consensus, you should probably reopen discussion over at WP:CHEM. Bernanke's Crossbow (talk) 08:13, 7 June 2023 (UTC)