Talk:Dissection (band)

Suicide?

I'm not sure this information should be published as of yet (8/18). It has not been confirmed by any concrete sources. Dissection's website does not make any mention of it and the suicide apparently happened a few days ago

• They do now 83.102.70.52 21:43, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

• • Indeed it has been confirmed. It's a sad day for extreme metal

Bootlegs

Can't think of any reason why these would be encyclopedia-worthy, and would open the floodgates for literally millions of other bootlegs being listed elsewhere. Unless the bootleg has some intrinsic notability, e.g. Mayhem's Dawn Of The Black Hearts then they should be deleted on sight. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 21:41, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Genre delimiter

I see there is a genre delimiter edit war (again :/). Please stop, leave it as it was before the war (line breaks) as it worked fine for this article and 99% of all other metal articles (as metal band articles tend to feature long genre names). It now looks totally stupid having 1 genre on 2 rows: blackened death
metal. Leave it alone. Kameejl ^(Talk) 19:59, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm reverting it as it is inconsistent with the majority of metal band articles. And because 1 genre is on 2 rows: blackened death
metal. Kameejl ^(Talk) 18:45, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Not to mention Twsx said he was "wikifying"...no such word or thing. I said that once before in a edit summary and some other users were upset saying I could not say that and it means nothing on wikipedia. Blizzard Beast ^$ODIN$ 03:31, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

All too funny. ~ | twsx | ^talk_cont | ~ 07:38, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

How is is blackened death metal? Zaruyache (talk) 00:20, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Album images

The general consensus now is that album images have no place in discography listings, due to the fact that they are not accompanied by critical commentary- they are just there for decoration. Take a look at the page I wrote on the subject a little while ago. J Milburn (talk) 18:42, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

I know of no such consensus and "screen shots in lists of episodes" is not the same things as using some album cover pictures in an article right above the name (and link to) of said album. As far as fair use goes, I also disagre with that. I don't believe that those album covers are being used in a soley decorative puprose on this page (or others, such as Death and I believe that they do, in fact, add to the article. The whole fair use things is getting ridiculous. Eventually wikipedia will have no pictures at all as they'll all be scrapped as "unencyclopedic." I understand fair use and the reason it is needed, but where do we draw the line? The problem with that policy is that it doesn't state clearly enough any line. Yes, we should not just plaster pictures everywhere for decorative purposes alone, but if a picture pertains to an article then bam, it should be in. We don't wanna overkill with the picture but I don't think we should necceasrily just get rid of them all. Blizzard Beast ^$ODIN$ 23:09, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Blackened Death Metal

I'll state again, how is this blackened death metal? They were black metal when they began, and reinkaos shows a more gothenburg style of melodeath. So, since my changes keep getting reverted, how is this blackened death metal? Zaruyache (talk • contribs) 19:44, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

the reason why bands are associated with a certain genre, is not to give a detailed description of their music, but rather to give the band a 'place' in the vast musical/metal landscape. Blackened Death Metal is the term Dissection used to describe their own music. Nödveidt never considered Dissection to be real Black Metal, but Death Metal with a dark "blackened" atmosphere. But that doesn't really matter and certainly does not make Blackened Death Metal a real genre. Take the average grindcore band for exemple. Even if they say they play "Skull Crushing Splattermayhem", they are still a grindcore band and should be classified as such. therefor: The article can mention the term Blackened Death Metal in the right context, but can NOT cite it as a real musical genre distinction. Black metal / Death Metal seems appropriate enough... 81.88.110.49 (talk) 15:37, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

In the 1990’s, Nödtveidt actually said that Black Metal and real Death Metal were the same, and used the Death Metal term for Dissection, which doesn’t mean he didn’t consider Dissection to be a Black Metal band. And to avoid both terms, as most so-called Black/Death Metal bands turned out to be fake (meaning their members are no Satanists/death worshippers), he later used the “Anti-Cosmic Metal of Death” term (that was explained on the former Dissection homepage). --217/83 15:23, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Are you agreeing with me or disagreeing with me?Zaruyache (talk) 00:05, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Agreeing I suppose. Blackened Death Metal is not a real genre (making the Blackened Death Metal Wiki-page totally useless, which I have stated on that discussion page too), so Dissection should not be categorised as such... 81.88.110.49 (talk) 16:17, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

MLO information

I think the information about the MLO at the bottom the page should be removed and/or relocated to the actual article about the MLO if one exists. This article is purely about the band and should not have large amounts of information about something completely different in it.

Amaawl (talk) 01:28, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

MLO was one of the corner stones of the band, and the very teachings that Reinkaos was based on. I don't think mentioning it is wrong, though it should probably be rewritten to fit the article better. Erzsébet Báthory_{(talk|contr.)} 02:22, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

I understand, and what you're saying makes complete sense, and I also agree that it should be revised to fit the article better, but when you put "Misanthropic Luciferian Order" or "Temple of the Black Light" into the search box, you are redirected to the Dissection article. Jon of Dissection was only one person in the entire order, and there is not enough information on the MLO in the Dissection article for it to also serve as the article for the MLO, this certainly needs to be taken care of.

Amaawl (talk) 06:13, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Inhumanity Deformed

If you (MrMoustacheMM) write that “obviously this song was just never recorded for an album, so what?”, you have never heard of demos, EPs, bootlegs etc., have you? Or are they no releases for you? There is no evidence the song ever existed, and this would not the only wrong information in that book. It is justified to add that there is no known recording of that song. --217/83 20:20, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

So what you're saying is that the only evidence of this supposed song existing is this single mention in a book? If no other corroborating evidence exists for this song existing, and assuming your claim that "this would not the only wrong information in that book" is correct, then that entire sentence mentioning this song should be removed. In the meantime, I have removed this unsourced information about this song not being on a release. Do not re-add without a source, or instead just go ahead and remove the information about a song that apparently never existed. MrMoustacheMM (talk) 20:34, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

I thought removing the sentence about that song was not possible because people on this project (at least the English version) tend to keep everything that is backed up by so-called “reliable sources” (see my objections against that term elsewhere); at least that’s my experience. And what reference for this song not being on any Dissection release would you expect anyway? --217/83 23:12, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

Honestly, I wouldn't expect much more than something like "The Dissection song 'Inhumanity Deformed' (which was never recorded)...". But really, I see nothing wrong with removing a contentious and dubious sentence that is only backed up by one source, and that source may not be very reliable anyways (as you say, the book has some wrong information in it, and I'm taking your word for that, as I haven't personally read the book). In a case like this, where it mentions a song that no one but this guy has ever heard of, I would support removing the entire sentence. If in the future someone can produce another source that also mentions this song, and hopefully also mentions that the song was never recorded, that information can be re-added. MrMoustacheMM (talk) 23:30, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

Faust in Dissection

"Drums

Bård "Faust" Eithun (2002–2003)"

Who? When? I can't see any information about it in the text nor on other Wikipedia pages. The band didn't even exist then because the leader was in prison. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.10.152.64 (talk) 11:18, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Faust was announced as their new drummer (that was when Jon Nödtveidt was still in prison) and then left Dissection again because he couldn’t agree with their ideology. --217/83 11:29, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

That looks good to me, except it appears (from the provided links) that it was 2003–2004. H. 287.83, can you double-check the years and just make sure? MrMoustacheMM (talk) 19:45, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for asking; I wasn’t completely sure myself, but the official biography first lists Faust and then the release of Live Legacy in early 2003. And German Metal Hammer (called Hard Rock & Metal Hammer at the time) announced in September 2002 and in the review for Live Legavy (March 2003); His departure was mentioned in February 2004, and news are usually reported with two months delay (the magazine’s content is decided upon six weeks before the release I think). I’ll add footnotes. --217/83 21:39, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Alright, sounds good to me. MrMoustacheMM (talk) 22:55, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

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