Talk:Dogo Argentino

Zero scientific evidence on Pumas

It seems very irresponsible and totally amateurish to me that they claim such extremely false misinformative audacity as this dog is capable of confronting a Puma. There is no serious scientific evidence, only a couple of testimonies and completely armed (artificial) evidence in favor of the dog against the Puma, which are young pumas weighing less than 50 kilos that have previously been injured by humans. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2806:10A6:19:FC32:40EE:EE85:8BAD:F7B7 (talk) 01:20, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

Question about eye colour

Is it rare for a Argentino dog to have a green eye and a crystal blue eye? 2603:7080:E936:1B00:607D:5187:8B36:F019 (talk) 00:33, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

The current guidelines - at WP:TALKNO - are to use talk pages to discuss articles, rather than the topics of the articles. You'll probably have better success if you can find a relevant discussion forum? Good luck! :-) The Parson's Cat (talk) 19:05, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

My female had a blue eye as a puppy but sadly went away 2601:188:CA00:C9C0:2846:1201:789E:944F (talk) 13:35, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

Breed name

The article title started out as Dogo Argentino, but seems to be morphing into Argentine Dogo via Argentinian Dogo. I'm going to check and see what the recognised/widely used names are, and find some sources for them. The Parson's Cat (talk) 19:18, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

A quick Google search suggests that Dogo Argentino as per the current title is what we should use as per WP:COMMONNAME. I'll fix the article as per WP:BOLD. The Parson's Cat (talk) 19:22, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

No harm in adding a note of ", also known as the Argentine Dogo" Jonnyboy5 (talk) 07:02, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 September 2023

Dogo Argentino was NOT bred specifically for dog fighting. 173.215.61.47 (talk) 01:41, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 05:05, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

Breed temperament and purpose

The statement that they were bred for fighting is inaccurate. See https://www.akc.org/expert-advice/dog-breeds/dogo-argentino-history/. They were trying to breed fighting instincts out of the Cordoba fighting dog so that they would hunt better together as a pack. NymAryaL (talk) 12:10, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

I was surprised by this too. I can't read Spanish, but the source that this came from is available for free on the internet if someone more knowledgeable than me wants to take a look at it here. However several additional sources agree with you including the FCI standard, pages 145-146 of David Alderton's Hounds of the World, page 340 of Bonnie Wilcox's Atlas of Dog Breeds and pages 338-339 of Desmond Morris's Dogs. I am going to edit the article, and perhaps a Spanish speaker can provide further clarity. Annwfwn (talk) 13:05, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

Well, NymAryaL, Annwfwn, the Vianini source is completely clear that it was bred as fighting dog, which he describes as 'una máquina de guerra perfecta, un perro de combate invencible', a 'perfect war machine, an unbeatable fighting dog' (my translation). Please note also that the American Kennel Club is not r3emotely a WP:RS – they're the people who think the Maltese came from China (!). If there are reliable sources that describe how the fighting instincts were bred out, they could be added to the page. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 15:32, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

The brother of the original breeder, the brother who helped popularize the breed worldwide, said it. See this direct quote here: https://www.dogoantiguo.com/dogo-history. "I still remember as if it were yesterday... the day when my brother Antonio told me for the first time his idea of creating a new breed of dog for big game, for which he was going to take advantage of the extraordinary braveness of the Fighting Dog of Cordoba. Mixing them with other breeds which would give them height, a good sense of smell, speed, hunting instinct and, more than anything else deprive them of that fighting eagerness against other dogs, which made them useless for pack hunting. A mix that would turn them into sociable dogs, capable of living in freedom, in families and on estates, keeping the great courage of the breed, but applied to a useful and noble end; hunting and vermin control." Agustin Nores Martinez NymAryaL (talk) 16:07, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

I responded to this statement before as well. This is a misinterpreted text. This statement is taken from the history of the breed, when it talks about him breeding successive cordoban fighting dogs as the predecessor of the Dogo Argentino, but not this breed itself. It goes on to say that he loved them so much that he wanted to breed a non-fighting dog for large game that encompassed their best qualities, and progressed by crossbreeding subsequent generations. Also not that this book is an anecdotal account that takes some liberties with opinions and accounts and probably less factually accurate then other sources. 73.162.6.176 (talk) 21:15, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

I CAN read Spanish and mentioned this, the statement is taken from a section that describes him breeding stronger and stronger fighting dogs as a prelude to the Dogo Argentina (ie Cordoban fighting dogs). It's a used for a bit of information but mostly as a colorful introduction to the history of the breed. It goes on to mention that due to his love of his dogs he wanted to breed a dog NOT for fighting that would be free to be accepted all over the world. 73.162.6.176 (talk) 21:29, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

It seems there is no convincing this guy (or girl). I can tell you my Dogo is such a good boy that they use him as the "introduction dog" for new dogs at his play place. I will believe the brother's statement, that is the best first-hand information on the breeder's intent. It's a shame Wikipedia insists on giving the breed a bad name despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary. No point giving more sources when the OP has dug in his/her heels. NymAryaL (talk) 15:14, 31 December 2023 (UTC)