Talk:Don't Dream It's Over

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As far as I knew, the New Zealand government once excerpted this song onto one of their tourist promotion clips, and that's the first time I knew this song. -- Patrickov (talk) 16:59, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Meaning section

I've reverted the addition of a section on "Meaning." Wikipedia is not for original interpretations of song lyrics. Unless this section can be referenced with reliable sources, it doesn't belong on the page. Please don't add it back unless it can be sourced. Thanks! Dayewalker (talk) 04:58, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

The lyrics to this song really don't have a meaning, actually; they're pretty non sequitur. Another example of a song with a similar "nonsensical" lyric is the Grateful Dead's Touch of Grey. Both songs have a happy, uplifting chorus and overall message, but the lyrics in the verses are just random. So including a section on "meaning" doesn't make much sense in this case, when the song doesn't really have one ;-). Stonemason89 (talk) 22:24, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

I don't think a Meaning section should be included unless there's reliable third-party coverage of the subject, but your assertions that the song doesn't have a meaning are just as OR as any unsourced claim that it does. In other words- where are you getting this? (smile) Doniago (talk) 01:58, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

It's just my opinion. Stonemason89 (talk) 03:08, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

It obviously has some meaning, just like "Touch of Gray" is clearly about age and aging gracefully. That said, the previous 'meaning' section was patent nonsense since a song composed in 1986 couldn't've possibly been about the Berlin Wall. — LlywelynII 12:47, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Uses in Popular Culture

Would anyone, please, like to take a crack at cleaning this article up? The introduction has a large list of the songs uses in popular culture, but it's in a very messy format and out of place. I think a simple heading of "Uses in media" or some should would go a long way for the readability here. On3moresoul (talk) 15:06, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

One is in episode 2, I think, of the miniseries from Stephen King's The Stand. Fran Goldsmith has just buried her father and she plays it off vinyl on a battery-powered portable phonograph. I was just watching it on Youtube, make sure I have the right episode. 108.18.136.147 (talk) 00:56, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

Song charting on German charts?

The main page of this article could be improved if it were made clear whether it is a German version of the song that charted in Germany, or the original English version that charted. Was it in German, or was it in English?

And a related question, is whether there is a Spanish version, too. 216.99.219.245 (talk) 09:44, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

New Zealand Band?

Crowded house were formed and based in Melbourne Australia. The only thing "New Zealand" about them is their singer Neil Finn. They were an Australian Band. Even their own Wiki page states They were formed in Australia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crowded_House — Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.18.174.161 (talk) 08:16, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

I don't favour either country and there is no dispute that they were formed in Australia but given that Finn was the main contributor (New Zealand even comes up in lyrics) of songs and front man of the group surely the band can be credited to both countries, just as Fleetwood Mac is considered British American. Gsh58 (talk) 08:47, 27 October 2016 (UTC)

Can you provide a reliable source that describes them as such? DonIago (talk) 20:14, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

Neil Finn himself described the band as 'Australian'. However I have changed "New Zealand rock band" to "Australasian"

This was reported in a New Zealand source...

"Neil Finn has told an Australian newspaper that Crowded House was a proud Australian band and most of its songs were inspired in Melbourne. " https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10407272 Montalban (talk) 14:46, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

PS If anyone wants to change this then for consistency they should change the article about the band itself - because it says "Australasian". It is poor form to have the same band described very differently in different articles.

Montalban (talk) 14:48, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

I've restored "Australian", to be consistent with the article about the band. FYI, there's a newer thread about this subject further down on the page. DonIago (talk) 13:57, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

Santana is a good point of comparison here - they are referred to as a Mexican-American band, even though they were formed and based in San Francisco, because the "main guy" of the band who wrote all the songs, sang, and played the guitar (Carlos Santana) is Mexican. Same principle here - the main guy is a NZer, even though the band is based in Australia etc. Surely describing them as "Australian-New Zealand" would be appropriate? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.171.75.196 (talk) 02:47, 9 February 2019 (UTC) Yeah, I agree. But the word for New Zealand-Australian is Australasian --Leavepuckgackle1998 (talk) 23:46, 4 July 2019 (UTC)

I think it's fair to say they were an Australasian band. Although formed in Australia, they had an even amount of Kiwi and Australian members during their career, and Neil Finn was the main contributor of music, writing virtually all the songs. In some ways, it was his Australia-based solo project. Thus, we should state they are Australasian- if we are stating they are Australian, then why shouldn't we state Fleetwood Mac is American, or that Daft Punk is American because of Get Lucky or something? It's nonsense. --Leavepuckgackle1998 (talk) 23:41, 4 July 2019 (UTC)

Do you have a source that has the band self-identifying as such? Anything else is merely our interpretation. DonIago (talk) 16:45, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

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Australasian Band

The Crowded House wiki page has their origin listed as Melbourne, Australia. Neil Finn has even said that they were an Australian band. Just because one or two people were from NZ, doesn't make them New Zealand. http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10407272 MadMark80 (talk) 19:19, 30 July 2016 (UTC)

If only it were so simple. For a while, "ARIA no longer considered Crowded House to be an Australian band because they only had one Australian member (Nick Seymour). That decision was made despite Crowded House forming in Melbourne when Neil Finn was living in the city and included Melbourne musicians Paul Hester and Nick Seymour. After Hester died and Neil moved back to Auckland, New Zealand, Seymour became the sole Australian in the band. That was not enough to qualify for the ARIA ruling that 50% of a band must feature Australians to be considered an Australian band." http://www.undercover.fm/news/11139-crowded-house-given-back-australian-status Atiru (talk) 17:28, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

That article's from 2010. Unless their status has been called into question again, they lead is accurate in saying that they are an Australian band. Concerns about their past nationality merit more than a lead sentence. DonIago (talk) 20:17, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

Except Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia and it doesn't only deal in what is "current". The point of me sharing the article is to show that the "nationality" of the band has been disputed not just by fans but in reference to the makeup of the band. Neil Finn has referred in the past to Crowded House as an Australian band, but he hasn't lived in Australia for a long time. Atiru (talk) 03:41, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

Which is why I said it might be appropriate to discuss the nationality of the band within the article. However, for the purposes of the lead, it appears to be entirely accurate to state that they are an Australian band. DonIago (talk) 03:46, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

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