Talk:Door breaching

Merging

Need to merge in relevant information from Dynamic entry and Forcible entry to generate a coherent, well sourced article with redirects. scot (talk) 23:06, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

I think all three articles need to be merged into Forcible entry... --Daysleeper47 (talk) 19:57, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

The problem with that is that the term "forcible entry" is a legal term with a very specific definition:

forcible entry; noun

1 : the unlawful taking of possession of real property by force or threats of force against the lawful possessor —see also FORCIBLE ENTRY AND DETAINER

2 : unlawful entry into or onto another's property esp. when accompanied by force <forcible entry of an automobile>

Merriam-Webster's Dictionary of Law, © 1996 Merriam-Webster, Inc.

Note that "unlawful" is a part of both definitions. While the term may also be used to indicate a lawful act, that is a secondary definition, and "forcible entry" really should be a disambiguation page that points to both definitions. scot (talk) 15:02, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Does that mean everytime I have forced entry on the door of a burning house I have committed an unlawful act? Arrest me now! Interesting definition. I think your solution is more than acceptable. --Daysleeper47 (talk) 13:44, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Well, under definition 2, "forcible entry" itself cannot be really be unlawful, because it is predicated on an unlawful act. And if emergency services personnel, in the performance of their duties, cannot legally enter a residence to rescue a resident, then you should have a talk with your local legislative body... scot (talk) 14:46, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Tank gun breach

Ok, breeching a door with a 120mm HEAT round from a main battle tank? Get real. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.117.176.209 (talk) 05:24, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

OK, reality check. From FM 7-8 INFANTRY RIFLE PLATOON AND SQUAD chapter 6, section 6.4 a) 2) a) reads:

"For exterior walls, the use of a tank or an artillery piece in the direct fire role is ideal if the structure will support it and if the ROE will allow it (see Section IV) . The main gun of an M1 tank is very effective when using the HEAT round; however, the SABOT round rarely produces the desired effect because of its penetrating power."

It's part of US military doctrine, sounds real enough to me. scot (talk) 14:56, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

...and don't forget Kelly's Heroes, where they talk the Tiger I commander into breaching the bank doors with the 8.8 cm KwK 36. Just finished re-watching it. scot (talk) 03:31, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Piston battering ram?

I can't seem to find any information on advanced, powered (hydraulic or compressed air?), man-portable piston battering rams. They look like a normal battering ram http://www.columbussupply.com/images/products/firetools/entry-kbr.jpg except with a piston coming out of the front that slams forward once the piston is thrown against a door and makes contact. 65.191.180.91 (talk) 11:33, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

I'll see what I can find. A quick search came up with US Patent 5415241, for an "Explosive actuated battering ram". From the text decription, it sounds kind of like a big powder actuated tool, like the big cousin of the nail guns powered by blank cartridges. scot (talk) 15:05, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Could be! The force of slamming the piston ram against the door (in the exact same manner that you would normally) could cause the piston to ignite a charge behind it inside the ram. Actually, I just googled for "explosive actuated battering ram" and the first result ( http://www.freepatentsonline.com/5415241.html ) describes exactly what I was thinking of! Amazing! I looked at the patent images on another site. The description matches it to a T. Thanks! I'm not sure how much real-world use it has at this point, however, so whether it should be included in the article is uncertain to me. 65.191.180.91 (talk) 00:33, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

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