Talk:Dorothy Olsen

Request edit on 24 September 2020

I am Dorothy Olsens son. For the last several years I have been fighting with people who are selling my mothers pictures. I had put a page full of pictures up for friends and people researching the WASP, but had to take it down due to piracy and selling of her photos. Here is a link to the site where some of the pictures are hidden now. (link elided). Being able to see the pictures on either side and the exif info should show that I took these pictures. You will note that these were all taken with my Sony DSLR-A100. I went back and found the Air Force article also incorrectly claimed the photo. it is included as a pdf. The pictures of her on the P-38 were taken by another WASP using her camera.

There was a section of text that implied that mom was an unsafe pilot that "liked to scare people" and had been reprimanded for it. This is completely untrue and slanderous to moms memory. She was a very safe and skilled pilot. I really hope this inaccurate info doesnt reappear after I deleted it. I also see the additional info I added about her last ferry flight for Western Skyways was deleted.

Mom at McChord DSC00470 Dorothy, Capt. Jamieson, F22 Moms 100 at McChord DSC00985 Dorothy, P-51 WASP memorial 2010 DSC00632 Dorothy, MSgt. Marti Stansbury Series of personal photos, Dorothy on P-38 Portrait taken for Dorothys Mother in 1944 and P38 pictures. Photographed for this post 9/24/20 by K Olsen DSCF0186.jpg Kim Erik Olsen (talk) 18:51, 24 September 2020 (UTC)Kim OlsenKim Erik Olsen (talk) 18:51, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Kim Erik Olsen: Hi Kim,

First, my sympathies on the loss of your mother. From what I've read, she was a remarkable and inspiring woman, which is what led me to write the article about her.

Regarding the photos, we certainly do not want to be using anything which we don't have rights to use. It was my understanding when I uploaded these photos that they had been put into the public domain. If they were incorrectly labeled on the web sites where I found them, then that's an issue which needs to be fixed.

I am not personally an expert on copyright issues, so I'm not going to offer an opinion on this. I do however encourage you to follow the directions at the wikimedia commons contact page. The quick summary of that page is that you should send an email to commons-copyvio@wikimedia.org. The people who read that mailbox are much more versed on copyright law and policy than I am and are the best people to help you. -- RoySmith (talk) 23:36, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

I have declined the edit request as it is not in the correct format. I made some edits on my own, restoring the scaring and reprimanded it (it is in the source) but in a more neutral way without attributing any characteristics. Also, the last ferry flight for Western Skyways is rightly removed as there were no sources for it. We will be more than happy to add in the information if we, or you, can find a reliable source for wikipedia to add on.--Justanothersgwikieditor (talk) 05:33, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

Thoughts prior to FAC

Commenting here by request of User:RoySmith, who asked me to take a look at the article with a view to a potential FAC run.

I don't think there's any problem with a short article, per se, getting to FAC -- we have Lokrume helmet fragment there at the moment, which is extremely short and yet also entirely comprehensive, given what little is known and published on the fragment.

With that said, I'm going to be very unhelpful here and say that the article doesn't, yet, "smell" right for FAC: it's hard to be too specific, but I just don't yet get the sense of polish, authority and comprehensiveness that are meant to come across at that level. That may well be simply because it's a work in progress. A few more concrete thoughts:

• freeing up male pilots for combat: is this necessary in the lead? It could be read as slightly dismissive, where ferrying aircraft was an important job in itself; we wouldn't say that a male stoker "freed up other sailors to man the guns".
• Per MOS:CONFORM, I would spell out the abbreviation Oregon in the quotation.
• I'd use Richthofen's name rather than his title (MOS:PEOPLETITLES, and I'm not sure the "Baron von Richtofen" title is sufficiently better-known to invoke WP:COMMONNAME)
• I don't think we ever spell out WASPs in body text, or explain fully what they were.
• I'm not sure about a direct link in text to a file, rather than a page: WP:LEASTASTONISHMENT was broken, at least for me.
• A friend, Debbie Jennings, said she disliked...: Jennings or Olsen?
• I'm not sure I'd refer so directly to phrases like "one source ...", "some sources..." in body text: I'd be tempted to say something like "it is unclear whether..." and give the nuts and bolts in footnotes.
• A few facts are taken for granted, which really should be explained: for instance, the fact that most bombers had more than one member of crew, while most fighters did not.
• Jennings mentioned that Olsen enjoyed scaring farmers on their tractors by flying close to them and at railroad stations also: after to them, this sentence wanders off: what were all these farmers doing at railroad stations?
• Prior to her death, she was one of 38 WASPs still alive: this could do with some thought: as phrased, prior to her death isn't great (it would hardly be after her death!)

Hope this is helpful. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 15:36, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

@UndercoverClassicist Thanks, and actually that was very helpful. RoySmith (talk) 15:46, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

That last point you mention is kind of amusing. The current wording was a result of the GA review where @Harrias observed "At the time of her death, she was not alive." I'll try and come up with something better. RoySmith (talk) 16:14, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

Hand-colored image

WikiPedant Could you explain why this "color corrected" File:WASP Dorothy Kocher Olsen 02.JPG is accurate. You said in the comments, adjusted colors to restore appearance of hand-colored original mid-20th century image. How do you know that's what the original looked like? RoySmith (talk) 01:16, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

@RoySmith: Hello Roy -- I've seen many a hand-colored image and worked on my share. I didn't really have to manually adjust any individual colors. I just let my software draw out the latent colors already in this badly faded original and tweaked the exposure levels a bit. Hand-colored images do have a look all their own -- they can fairly be described as unnatural and exaggerated by today's standards, but they are what they are (or, at least, were). Some people like the olde-tyme effect; some don't. There's quite a sampling at Commons: Category: Hand-colored photographs. I am fully confident that my version is vastly closer to the photographer/artist's original work than the acutely faded version at File:WASP Dorothy Kocher Olsen.JPG. I honestly have no desire to be disputatious, so I'm content to leave the original upload as it was (especially since it could reasonably be considered archival) and leave my version with a separate file name. I have, however, been bold and replaced the usages. Regards -- WikiPedant (talk) 01:50, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

@WikiPedant OK, that sounds reasonable. Generating a new file for your version is definitely preferable to overwriting the original; I'm sure there's some page on commons that talks about that, but I can't find it. You might also want to add a more detailed description to your version, so people understand how this was actually generated, i.e. summarize the above discussion. RoySmith (talk) 11:51, 25 May 2024 (UTC)