Talk:Drunk driving law by country

Per mille instead of percent

I think the use of percent of alcohol in the blood is a wrong way to explain the law. In Denmark we use per mille and I also think they also do that in the rest of Europe. 5 per mille is easier than 0,5 percent — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.185.33.192 (talk) 06:36, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

I would like to add that the symbol for Per mille exists and has its own wikipedia page, so there is no reason not to use it. The fact that it is not as common just means that the symbol should be explained and pointed out, it is not a reason to not use it. In further addition, I would like to argue that using values in percent will be extremely confusing if the de facto standard for brethlizers is per mille and not percents, comparing the numbers will then confuse less knoledgeable people. Dragomang87 (talk) 17:43, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

What does "zero" mean?

Brazil, for example, is "zero". What does that mean? If you have even .000 000 000 01 percent (1/100 millionth of a percent) blood-alcohol level, you're guilty? What if it's from the alcohol content in medicine? Or does it mean there is no penalty for being intoxicated? Or does it mean that even if police can't measure your level because it's so low, if they think you've drunk alcohol lately or you admit it or there's witnesses who say you have, they'll bust you. Please explain!

The list giving only "zero" or a percentage level for most countries does not provide enough information about the consequences. For example, El Salvador states a percentage, but not the consequences. I've heard that El Salvador puts first offenders in front of a firing squad so there are no repeat offenders in that country. GBC (talk) 07:38, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

It seems either relying on a standard error of given alcometer or a kind of populism to demotivate drunk drivers by fear and corruption.--213.208.170.194 (talk) 07:59, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

"zero" means "no more that may happen to occur naturally without drinking". We have that for driving beginners, and when I was out for my first free weekend of compulsory military service, they thought it appropriate to get a judge teach us about the alcohol driving laws around here (Germany): I was told by this judge that in practice, this means you must be below 0.02% (or 0.2 o/oo as we prefer to call it).--2001:A61:20C2:7A01:4817:C372:C1F6:2BCE (talk) 21:17, 13 September 2017 (UTC)

Change to Queensland Drink Driving Law

As of July 1st 2010 provisional license holders over 25 must have a 0 blood alcohol reading. http://www.gladstoneobserver.com.au/story/2010/06/17/zero-tolerance-for-p-plate-drivers-police-alcohol/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 113.197.1.208 (talk) 23:18, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

China source link bad

China source link "http://www.ctstc.org.cn/wz.aspx?id=512 Ministry of Public Safety" redirects to a commercial site selling shirts. Also, its seems the PRC has a Ministry for Public Security not Safety. Needs fixing by someone who can read Chinese and can navigate to the correct page at http://www.mps.gov.cn/n16/index.html assuming this is where the information is to be found. IanRiley (talk) 10:58, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

European map does not match the article data

Ireland and the UK are shown as green - corresponding to 0.08%, but the article states the limit in Ireland is 0.05%. Dainamo (talk) 09:50, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Fixed it. Tbp386 (talk) 13:15, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

Latvia is wrong as well. Cpflieger (talk) 19:23, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

Dubious

Alcohol is not banned in Pakistan, Alcohol is only banned for Muslims (97% of the pop), while non-Muslims are allowed to consume and manufacture alcohol in Pakistan with a permit. Moreover, the law turns a blind eye to alcohol consumption in Pakistan even for Muslims, many of the western hotels in Pakistan serve alcohol. Personally I have never heard of a drink driving limit in Pakistan, that is not even part of the penal code in Pakistan so the claim is dubious and not encyclopedic, and violation of wiki policy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.107.133.46 (talk) 13:55, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

References

Respect Privacy PLEASE

Please consider removing the names of INDIVIDUALS who were convicted of DUIs/DWIs. The article lists the names of actual people convicted of DWI/DUI (e.g., Russian diplomat, Canadian citizen, etc.). Is it now the policy of wikipedia to post the names of individuals -- have the wikipeda articles devolved to gossip-magazine content? Using the excuse about the information being part of the "public" record does not justify character assassination. Would the authors who write such articles like if others posted the "public" criminal records concerning them or members of their families? I doubt it. As such, I suggest wikipedia hold itself to higher standards than the mug-shot websites that practice reputation-destruction-for-profit. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.226.22.238 (talk) 03:21, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

It has encyclopedic value. The Russian diplomat case was the trigger for a crackdown on drinking and driving by diplomats (although, I note, that reference are missing for that entry). The second case is notable as the most severe punishment handed down by the court for a case without a fatality. Singularity42 (talk) 10:49, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

Suggestion -- list that info, but without listing the names of individuals. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.226.29.2 (talk) 21:52, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

Citations needed

This article suffers from lots of anon editors coming in and changing a BAC limit to some other value on the basis of "I live there, and that's how it is". Another editor then comes in, and says "No, I live there, and this is how it is". In an effort to cut this all back, and to encourage verification, I have added citation needed templates to all the entries that do not have references. I know it takes down the aesthetic value of the article with some many "citation needed" templates, but I do not see how else to encourage verification for what is in this article. Singularity42 (talk) 14:28, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

Bicycle

Please list limits for riding a bicycle.

In Poland the drunk driving law applies to bicyclists too, and 45% of imprisoned people for DUI were riding bicycles [1]. In fact it makes more sense to drive a car under under influence than a bicycle, because bicyclists are much more often controlled. Fdvcx (talk) 22:18, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Canadian criminal code links

Resolved

From this diff. -- benzband (talk) 16:24, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

I'll take a look at the issue later this week (or the weekend at the latest), unless someone beats me to it. I'm assuming this has to do with the Justice Department changing their urls in 2011, and that this article probably got missed when we were updating all of the Canadian-specific articles. Singularity42 (talk) 16:50, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

And fixed (only the one link had to be fixed, so easier than I though). Singularity42 (talk) 16:56, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

China 0.78%

Does China actually have a rule about 0.78% ? That amount is not normally reached by a living man. Maybe someone mistranslated "per mille" by "per cent" or forgot a 0.--91.34.206.212 (talk) 10:12, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

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Below detection limit, 0 limit, no limit, etc.

An article wide decision on how the various corner cases of limits should be denoted needs to be made. The Europe section is off doing its own thing. 217.28.2.225 (talk) 04:30, 20 August 2016 (UTC)

El Salvador and Bulgaria

In El Salvador, the punishment of dui is firing squad. In Bulgaria, first time dui is forgiven but second time the criminal will be executed. But why these are not mentioned in this article?--210.195.179.61 (talk) 15:47, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

Why did we change units for U.K.?

This article shows bac but for the U.K. It switched to mg/ml. Very confusing. Any reason not to standardize the units in the article? RobertGary1 (talk) 17:27, 18 December 2016 (UTC)

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Israel: 24 mg/100 ml in breath?

If I understand correctly, Istael's figure of 24 mg/100 ml in breath is quite a lot. I suspect it meant "in blood", maybe "(indirectly) measured by analyzing breath". —Cousteau (talk) 23:34, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

not applicable

A number of countries say "Not applicable, alcohol is banned." Is there meant to be some sort of implication that the latter is the reason for it not being applicable? Because this just doesn't follow. I can easily conceive that a country might ban alcohol or other drugs and nevertheless penalise driving under the influence (whether at any detectable level or whether at a particular level). People might after all have consumd items illegally, and maybe even before entering the country. I suspect some western countries penalise driving under the influence of illegal drugs and it might be a separate offence from possessing or consuming them. 213.205.193.30 (talk) 19:42, 17 November 2017 (UTC)

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Malaysia

Suggest leaving in place only the recent (from 2020) changed limit. Now there's both stated. 202.187.235.175 (talk) 04:11, 8 February 2024 (UTC)