Talk:Eid al-Fitr/Archive 1

Archive 1

Spelling

Granting that we're talking about translating cross-alphabetically, but can we get some agreement on the "proper" spelling of this festival? Where exactly do the accent marks (') if any go? How many hyphens are there? --Dante Alighieri 23:15 Dec 5, 2002 (UTC)

OK, I mean: is it Eid ul-Fitr or 'Eid-ul-Fitr?

Since no one is answering, I'm changing the second instance to match the first. --Dante Alighieri 00:29 Dec 6, 2002 (UTC)

the question is not that simple to answer: there are two forms in arabic, one declinated (eid ul-fitr) - the u signifying the nominativ - and one in pausa, case independent (eid al-fitr), the other problem is that an ayn is missing at the beginning of eid. Usually this is transcribed by a small superscript c. Does anybody know a Unicode-entity for this? --elian

The all spell of Eid ul-Fitr are same. In Malaysia we spell it as Aidilfitri. The spell is not important because it will back to the same meaning >> Back to the fitrah ( natural tendency ). It is same like Koran. Some of people will spell it as Koran, in Malaysia we spell it as al-Quran, but some of the book will spell Qu'ran or Quran without 'al'. Or another example, United State of America. At Malaysia, we call it as Amerika Syarikat... so it is still refer to USA, rite?

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In the Philippines it's pronounced /edilfitr/ but in English we should standardize the spelling. I prefer the form Eid al-Fitr. The "al" is well known in the English-speaking world as an Arabic prefix. Using Eid al-Fitr makes it clear to English speakers that the operative words are Eid and Fitr.

This article uses both forms Eid ul-Fitr and Eid al-Fitr. Shouldn't we strive to be consistent?

-- transliterating arabic will never be consistent :P It's something one has to deal with I guess.

It seems that the Russian translation is incorrect, however, a native speaker of the Russian language should verify this.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.222.185.242 (talk • contribs)

Alms

The article gives a pretty exact USD quote for the Zakat al Fitr, but in which country, and what year? --Shallot 20:42, 31 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Now it talks about "basic foodstuffs", but the list is rather Arab-centric. How is it done elsewhere? --Joy [shallot] 09:38, 31 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Title

Upon some further investigation, I don't see much reason not to rename this page into an English title -- for example Feast of Ramadan, a term known to Google at least. I don't know to what extent the Arabic word is more Islamic than others — we've already got recorded various Turkish/Albanian/Bosnian, Indonesian and Singaporean variants. --Joy [shallot] 20:31, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Just make sure that this article is found when someone searches for "Eid".

I'm not the biggest expert in Islam nor editing Wikipedia but here is something about the title. This is the first time in my life I'm hearing this title. In Turkish we use 'Ramazan Bayramı', the translation is 'Ramadan Holiday' (or it can vary as Feast of Ramadan, Ramadan Feast, etc.) or as an unofficial term we use 'Şeker Bayramı', the translation is 'Candy Holiday' (as always it may have variations) because of the traditional candy offering to people. I'm not sure the Arabic name must be kept. It better be a generic name like Feast of Ramadan and there must be links to it. And I better write a paragraph or so for the holiday in Turkiye. —Jack in the box 12:40, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

Pronunciation

How do you Prononciate :) this? TomCerul 22:33, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Eid, is the 'eed' in need. Ul is sometimes 'ull' as in hull, but often a mixed or leaning towards 'ahl' as in "doll" if you know the food... This is a guess kind of... I think it's fitter, but, you need to it more... like r. (the dot being under the r, to show it's not really affected by the letters around it)... That was a really bad explanation but someone who probably fails at pronouncing it. :( gren グレン 11:31, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

Eid is pronounced as 'eed' as in the word "feed". ul is pronounced as 'ull' as in the word "pull". Fitr: the "fit" can be pronounced as the English word fit (meaning lean), however the "t" is pronounced as in the word "what" and followed by a "r" pronounced in a standard manner.

Unreferenced

When I saw the Eid in the US section added I realized this article has gotten large but the sources are not really expanding. I personally don't know much about local traditions... I would say that in America it really depends on your community. The Pakistanis I know celebrate Chānd Rāt so I would say there is no real distinct American tradition. We need to cite all of this though. What we have now seems too narrow and specific. gren グレン 11:31, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

I threw in the section on Eid around the world after reading this [1] article, with the idea that it could eventually become its own article, or even collection of articles. I didn't cite the article because I was lazy, and now edit creep makes the task more daunting. I'll try to reference things, but what do people think about spinning off a new article, a la Christmas worldwide? Smmurphy 05:03, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

What is eid-ul-fitr in short

Ramzaan. Anirudh Emani (talk) 14:05, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

2005 date

Since it's now already 2006, using the future tense for talking about the date (in the Gregorian calendar) or Eid ul-Fitr doesn't make much sense to me. Either the date is certain (since it's in the past), or there are still disagreements, but either way, the past tense seems appropriate. And if it's certain, then saying when the date was determined to be seems like a good idea to me. -- pne (talk) 12:19, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Chand Raat

It is not a variation on the word Eid ul Fitr, for more information look at Chand Raat -- Ali 10:37, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Name

• This is a holy days for all muslims.
• The Muslim world has many languages, as everybody knows, arabic is one of them of course.
• Arabic article name, make no any sense for other nations.
• Suggestion;

Lets named it in English.

All other names in different languages redirected to English named article.

Regards Mustafa Akalp^TC 12:58, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

I am not sure what is meant by the proposal. In English the holiday is refered to by its Arabic name, which happen to be language of the Koran. So then the title should be Eid al-Fitr, as it is. Bertilvidet 22:34, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

I agree with Bertilvidet. Muslims around the world have different languages, but Arabic unites them, it is the language of the Qur'an, the prayer recitation, and even the universal islamic greeting, As salam alaikum. Therefore, Eid al Fitr it is! IstiArief 11:51, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Islamic versus Western POV

I changed "non-islamic countries in the West" to "western countries" Wikipedia by itself could only be a product of the openness that makes western civilization great while "non-islamic countries in the West" somehow assumes that not being islamic is the exception when in fact with most of the world moving towards a western based open society while maintaining key aspects of their traditional culture. Therefore, western society should be the default, expecially on the english wikipedia. Perhaps on the arabic version an islamic society should be the default. Huckfinne 04:36, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

91.156.255.236 (talk) 12:46, 6 September 2010 (UTC)12:47, 6 September 2010 (UTC)~ I claim your comment very irrational. In Wikipedia, you do not go to the English wikipedia to see everything in favor of America and the UK, You don't. The content should be completely the same in both arabic and english. And I also claim your words 'Most of the world moving towards a western based open society..' This article and the en.wikipedia does not serve any needs of the USA or the UK or Canada or Australia. It is neutral, and even if there was only 2 countries in the world that are not western type (Which is not true, the 'western countries' do not effect Asia and Africa as much as you think). So even if there was only 2 eastern diplomatical countries in the world, the En wikipedia will still be neutral, as all those are. You don't switch through languages to see different POVs, fact. I hope you understand this.

Eid-ul Fitr in Arab countries

We have sections about eid in usa, canada, india, iran, pakistan, indonesia, philippines, etc. but where are the arab one? Happy Eid!Nielswik_(talk) 23:32, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

I was thinking the exact same thing. Arab section please.--DarkCyclone 21:19, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Eid ul-Fitr in the Gregorian Calendar

do we really need a seperate section for this? the information is mostly available in the Infobox and the Timing section already, and keeping changes synced between them seems redundant. --GoldPseudo 03:57, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Eid ul Fitr in 2006

This section is completely POV - and I don't think it is needed in the article. We can't add a seperate section for every year. Ozzykhan 14:16, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

the section is also quoted directly from this article, so i'm removing it entirely. --GoldPseudo 04:41, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Eid stamp

The U.S. Postal Service commemorated the observation of the holiday with a postage stamp: image at [2]. That image is kind of crappy and pixelated-- if a better image can be found, would it be a suitable addition to the article? Spikebrennan 22:32, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

History Section

removed phrase: "More information please people. I use this website for pure research and this small amount is unacceptable" as commentary of this nature is not relevant to the subject of the page. this comment should have been posted in the discussion page or not at all.

Blueminneapolis 22:31, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

This section doesn't talk about how eid started, so better it needs to be removed and new appropriate history have to be added. -- Mahir78 (talk) 15:29, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

Yes, it was anything but History. I have rewritten the section. Shaad lko (talk) 04:29, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

"Before the advent of Islam in Arabia, there is mention of ‘id festivals as yawm al-sab‘ and yawm al-sabasab as well as some others among the Arabs." It is unclear from the text whether the "mention of 'id feativals" is from pre-islamic sources such as inscriptions, or it is from later Islamic sources looking back ...and how much later in the latter case. I would like to see this made a bit clearer in order to avoid misunderstandings. Steflars2011 (talk) 11:05, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

photographs/pictures

Hi everyone! Can anybody put photographs of eid celebration? Or atleast picture of Eid prayers? I would really love to see pictures of Eid Prayers in Delhi's Jame Masjid/Lahore's Badshahi Mosque/Dhaka's Baitul Muqarram Mosque. Will anybody help to insert such pictures in the article?

Hossain Akhtar Chowdhury 11:34, 31 January 2007 (UTC) HI MY NAME IS TRINA CAN YOU SHOW ME SOME OF THOSE EID PICTURES I AM DOING A SERVY FOR MY PROJECT

So when is it??

I get no sense at all from this article when Eid actually it. The link to Ramadan doesn't help (see my note over there). If Ramadan ends around the last week of October, then can someone confirm and add a note saying so, and that Eid will tend to be around then too? raining girl 10:42, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

See Eid ul-Fitr in the Gregorian Calendar section. Regards. → AA ^{(talk • contribs)} — 10:55, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

The Prohpet (SAW)

I'm wondering if this is appropriate in the context of a neutral encyclopedia. I understand why devout Muslims pronounce peace at the mention of Muhammad, but it seems to me that it is pushing an overtly religious practice. It would be kind of like saying "Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ" or "Jesus Christ our Lord" at every mention of his name. I haven't changed it as I'm not sure of the policy debates that have taken place on articles related to Islam, but I'm throwing my own observation in as someone who just happened upon the article. -- jackturner3 (talk) 14:52, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Seconded, Wikipedia is not a place to praise any religion. If Richard Dawkins (Dup dor a'az Mubster) et al also can have their praises on each mention then The Prophet can have his. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.78.175.107 (talk) 22:06, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

As a follow-up to this, Wikipedia's Manual of Style of Islam-Related Articles states that honorifics should NOT be included, unless they are part of a quotation. If you see them, please remove them. Leena (talk) 01:31, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Eid ul-Fitr in The Philippines

The first Eid ul-Fitr holiday in The Philippines was on December 17, 2001 not December 6, 2002. Can you please edit it to the article. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.96.119.63 (talk) 12:56, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Got any proof? II MusLiM HyBRiD II 15:35, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Proof is needed for statements not against them. So whoever wrote December 17, 2001 has the onus to provide proof. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.57.220.124 (talk) 17:55, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Moonsighting arguments

I recently removed the moonsighting arguments from this article. I think they don't belong on this page, they are just confusing for an average reader. The differing methods of determining lunar/Islamic dates has been discussed on the Islamic calendar page and that's the most suitable place for them, instead of on each individual Islamic date/holiday page. Leena (talk) 01:26, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Uhh

Just pointing it out that is on October 1st in the U.S. II MusLiM HyBRiD II 15:36, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

It is not necessary for the date to be listed in that particular section, that's what the "In the Gregorian calendar" section is for. Leena (talk) 17:25, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Eid in UK

Could someone please DELETE the section in were it talks about how bangladeshi boys and girls celebrate Eid in London, am Pakistani by origin myself but found that bit incredibly dumb and racist. I've been living in London my whole life and i know how Eid is celebrated here so trust me when i say i know rubbish when i see it, its sterotyping the bangladeshi people. Just because i scratch my bollocks first thing in the morning doesnt mean every pakistani guy does it aswell. (Zak8887 (talk) 22:35, 27 October 2008 (UTC))

haha what kind of an example is that, that is stupid talk. I know so many who do these car stuff everytime in Eid, so common to do so, so it make sense to do it, if many of these people do so. 90.211.185.124 (talk) 12:39, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Why is Practices by country-India not under the South Asia section?

India, Pakistan, and Bangladesh are all South Asia. The South Asia section already covers India, the culture is the almost same all over the Indian subcontinent. If there is a seperate section for India, then we might as well remove the South asia section and create seperate sections for Bangladesh, Pakistan, Nepal and Sri Lanka?

I have moved the India section into the South Asia section although it seems a bit POVish anyway Nil Einne (talk) 03:33, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

Burma

1. Seejet khao swè [sʰi tʃʰɛʔ kʰauʔ swɛ], wheat noodles with duck or pork, fried garlic oil, soy sauce and chopped spring onions

wheat noodles with PORK - are you sure is that, what Muslims eat on Eid in Burma? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.205.221.71 (talk) 10:27, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Hello! I think it's a big mistake in this article ;Eid ul-Fitr

 "10.Seejet khao swè [sʰi tʃʰɛʔ kʰauʔ swɛ], wheat noodles with duck or pork, fried garlic oil, soy sauce and chopped spring onions"

PORK??? The muslims not eat PORK...This is haram food, not allowed food. Please, I think You should delete that word from the article... Best regards! C.M.Carmen 04.09.2010 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.123.103.75 (talk) 14:06, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

sas

In the third paragraph of the General rituals section, what does "(sas)" mean? It follows the name of Muhammad – is it an honorific? matt (talk) 07:01, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Yes it is, matt. sas = ṣallallahu ʿalayhi wa sallam = Pbuh (in English). Rgds, XoXo (talk) 07:50, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

TRINA IT IS TRUE MUSLIMS DO NOT EAT PORK —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.238.124.217 (talk) 22:35, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Length of Eid

As far as I can tell, there is no authentic substantiation of the claim that Eid is three days long. All narrations I can find indicate that both Eid's are only 1 day long. However, the Eid-ul-Adha celebration is followed by three days known as "the days of sacrifice". While popular opinion is that the length of these holidays is more than 1 day, I don't think this is accurate, unless someone can find a reliable source that establishes that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.145.129.17 (talk) 23:58, 8 September 2010 (UTC) ha ha ha hah EidMubark — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.100.45.246 (talk) 16:23, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

Burma section too long

The section on Burma is too long for a country not associated with Islam (even if 20% are Muslim) and goes in way too much unnecessary detail (like a list of 17 foods they eat) while predominantly Muslim countries like Indonesia, Malaysia and Brunei are lumped together with Singapore. The Burmese section itself is longer than the African section or the Turkish section. Needs serious trimming.94.249.116.89 (talk) 00:28, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Not to mention as already said above, it claims that one of the delicacies is made of pork --- obviously contradictory to a fundamental dietary prohibition of Islam. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.71.235.4 (talk) 15:38, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

South Asia

The Muslims of South Asia, which should be more approriately called Indian subcontinent, add up to nearly a third of the Muslim population. I believe they deserve a much larger share of the total space dedicated towards the description of celebrations of the Ramadan Feast in different parts of the world. Moreover the Muslim population of UK and even USA and Canada is predominantly from the Indian sub-continent. I hope someone will put in more details under South Asia (Indian subcontinent)- including the unique foods and sweets on offer, and also the emphasis on secularism and integration with people of other faiths, especially in India and Sri Lanka. (Kalvinlewis (talk) 00:49, 11 September 2010 (UTC))

Gregorian Calendar

Is the 2016 date correct (5th July 2016)? I have two other pages saying it's on 7th July. http://members.cox.net/ahmedheissa/icdates.html & http://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/custom.html?year=2016&country=69&cols=1&df=1 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.242.123.156 (talk) 03:54, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

It's either Eidu-l-Fitr or Eid al-Fitr

I'm sorry to revive the transliteration debate, but I can't think of one sigle reason to write Eid ul-Fitr. The u is not part of the article, it's an instance of irab and therefore part of the preceding noun eid(u). As we all know (at least those of us who speak Arabic, who probably make up the majority of those who watch this article), in Classical Arabian, 'a in the article ('a)l is only an auxiliary construction, which disappears whenever the preceding word begins with a vowel. That makes the article -l- and the expression eidu-l-fitr. But of course, in a looser style, irab can be left out. In that case, it is eid-al-fitr. Bur really, writing eid ul-fitr is akin to writing Roger spants for Roger's pants. Steinbach (talk) 13:39, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

And for what it's worth, a quick search on Google Scholar indicates that the "al" variant is more common than the "ul" variant: around 1,120 results for "al" versus 797 results for "ul". ~~ Lothar von Richthofen (talk) 02:05, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Eid dates in the infobox

The dates mentioned in the infobox are for which part of the world? Actually, Eid is celebrated on different dates (as per the Gregorian calendar) in different countries, as the lunar calendar never matches the Gregorian one uniformly. The date field is thus, superfluous in this article, and can be removed. Shaad lko (talk) 05:40, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Keep - users of Wikipedia would still need to know an (approximate) date. As in most other Wikipedia articles involving Islamic dates, it would probably be best to give dates according to the Umm al-Qura calendar as this is the most often used variant of the Islamic calendar. AstroLynx (talk) 07:29, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Eid ul-Fitr ahkam

"Eid-ul-Fitr Salat (Namaz in Urdu/Persian) is a Wajib (strongly recommended, just short of obligatory)....." (before edited)

I edited about Wajib to sunnah muak'kad or mustahabb because the ahkam of "strongly recommended, just short of obligatory" is called Sunnah muak'kad or Mustahabb not Wajib for references see Mustahabb and Wajib — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jack Me Out (talk • contribs) 04:07, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

Not Praying Fajr before the Eid prayer is this a sunnah?

Should one wait until the Eid prayer or should he pray Fajr? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.81.133.41 (talk) 10:02, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

2011 date

2011 date 30 or 31 August? Shouldn't it be clear by now? There seems to be an urban legend circulating around that the Saudis screwed up the date and announced it to be 30, when in fact it's 31 - and that they will "pay reparations" for their mistake, whatever that means. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.114.147.58 (talk) 15:22, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

It's interesting, isn't it? According to this: fatwa-online.com, the Saudi High Judiciary Council saw the new moon (of Shawwaal) on the evening of Monday, August 29. Doesn't that mean the first full day of Eid is August 30? --Kenatipo ^speak! 19:42, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

Quite obviously, date of Eid will vary from country to country (at times even within the same country), depending on moon-sighting. I would recommend removal of the date field as it is not at all universal as per the Gregorian calendar. For the Hijri calendar, everyone knows its on 1st Shawwal. Shaad lko (talk) 13:53, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

There appears to be a decided preference for the "Gregorian calendar" on this English-speaking wiki, so the date field needs to stay. We know some Muslims celebrated the first full day of Eid al-Fitr on August 30 and others on August 31. Did any start their celebration on September 1? I mean, what happens if you can't see the new moon at all for several days? --Kenatipo ^speak! 02:25, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

Moon-sighting is relevant only on the 29th day of the lunar month, else by default 30 days are completed - i.e.- either Ramadan will end after 29 days by moon sighting or it will end the next day. The thing to note though is that Ramadan may not even have started at the same day all over the world, so a difference of 2-3 days is always possible for different places. Shaad lko (talk) 11:26, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

I was afraid you were going to say that, Shaad lko. But, it makes sense. Thank you for the information. --Kenatipo ^speak! 04:42, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

The information about the Eid prayer is incorrect

The Takbiras for the Eid prayer are seven in the first rak'kah and five in the second one. The prayer must be preformed at sunrise. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.99.128.15 (talk) 14:40, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

Organization and order of countries listed

I see that Afghanistan is listed under Middle East but it is also considered part of Central Asia. I think the order that the countries are presented could be improved. Is there a best practice or standard for this on Wikipedia, used in other articles? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bamiyannyc (talk • contribs) 12:18, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

Philippines

since i don't know where to ask, it would worth knowing if the Philippines is the only (!) Christian-majority nation acknowledging eid ul-fitr as national non-working holiday? If so, that should be mentioned in the text because it is noteworthy and really extraordinary that a largely Christian nation observes a Muslim holiday thus making the Philippines unique in that matter. -- 112.205.62.57 (talk) 13:08, 31 October 2011 (UTC) [ edited 112.205.62.57 (talk) 13:54, 31 October 2011 (UTC)]

Australia

With reference to the section under Australia: In the opening sentence "Despite Australia being a predominantly non-Muslim, secular country, Muslims are able to practice their religion with great freedom", the word "despite" may imply that a predominantly non-Muslim, secular country (here, Australia) is in some way against the practice by Muslims of their religion, this is clearly not the case, so a suggested alternative is the simpler "In Australia, a predominantly non-Muslim, secular country, Muslims are able to practice their religion with great freedom" Ditdaddy (talk) 10:39, 17 November 2011 (UTC) I have updated the sentence as above, and also corrected the reference to Kristina Keneally who is now the previous Premier Ditdaddy (talk) 11:16, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Good edit. Thank you. -- ToE 13:21, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

pronouncing Muslim holidays

How do the British pronounce the name of the holiday Eid al Fitr? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.29.122.102 (talk) 04:23, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

The English tend to pronounce it "eed al feet-r", as in (n)EED (p)AL FEET (he)R, where the letters in brackets are not pronounced. The Welsh, Scots, Cornish and Northern Irish may have a slightly different pronunciation, depending on accent. Skinsmoke (talk) 00:13, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

Extra Takbir

In lead editors have mentioned of 6 extra takbirs; but as far as I know, it may vary in some jurisdiction. Someone must research and address (with citations indeed) this as well. » nafSadh did say 18:58, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Why don't Muslims know what day Eid-ul-Fitr is?

Pretty simple question, but I have yet to get a satisfactory answer to it. People say it depends on the moon, but we already know what the moon will do tomorrow, the day after that, and hundreds of years from now. We have known exactly what the moon will do tomorrow for hundreds of years. We can predict eclipses, new moons, full moons... the whole shabang. So why the confusion? 41.140.84.153 (talk) 12:18, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

Here is a case in point. NASA's web page shows lunar cycles down to the minute all the way to 2025. So why the suspense? [3] 41.140.84.153 (talk) 12:23, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

Since some Muslims don't go by calculation but by actual sightings of the new moon. Much like was customary in ancient Israel. Now, the actual sighting might be a day later. Also, likelihood of an actual sighting on a certain day varies per location. Debresser (talk) 17:53, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

What do you mean by "actual sighting"? If it is cloudy for a month then Ramadan never ends (or begins)? Barring something like that, actual sightings are simply not going to deviate from these down-to-the minute predictions. We already know what will be seen. Wrad (talk) 14:17, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

Actually, since on the day of the new moon the moon is close to the horizon and on the same side as the setting sun, it is very well possible for the moon not to be seen on the day that was calculated. In such a case the new month automatically begins on the next day. Debresser (talk) 17:18, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

Who is it that decides whether or not the moon has been "seen"? Wrad (talk) 22:33, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

Spelling of Medina

In the History section, there is reference to "Madinah" - for consistent English usage and more importantly, consistency within Wikipedia, is there any problem with changing this to "Medina"? Cheers Mrgs123 (talk) 03:40, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

I am all in favor. Debresser (talk) 13:30, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

Practices by country

I think that the countries of southeastern Europe should be added, especially Bosnia and Albania, since the muslims make up the majority of the population. 77.77.240.30 (talk) 01:13, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Sexual crimes during Eid in Cairo

This is a painful but important subject. It has been discussed at considerable length for over 7 years in reputable sources and also belongs here.Cpsoper (talk) 20:52, 4 August 2013 (UTC) This page is an encyclopaedic description of the sociological aspects of the Eid, not a religious propaganda piece, this phenomenon has now widely reported in Egypt and is appropriate for this page. I am concerned that removal of this section has not been followed with discussion or supported by evidence.Cpsoper (talk) 12:44, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

I've removed this section. What is the point of the inclusion of this news report on Eid al-Fitr article? Wikipedia is not a news, and the sexual assault in this matter is particular incidental crime that according to the source happened in Cairo, Egypt in 2006. Sexual assault did not happened during Eid al-Fitr in Indonesia, Malaysia, Brunei, Morocco, Turkey, or elsewhere in Islamic world. So it is not correct to link sexual assault with Eid al-Fitr. Islam just like the rest of the civilized world condemned rape and sexual assault. Just because the crime was happened in Cairo, it did not justly represents the Eid al-Fitr spirit and meanings. I highly suspected that the writer's agenda on insisting the inclusion of this section is motivated to humiliate and put Islam in bad light. And after visiting User:Cpsoper's home page and visiting his/her links: www.strateias.org I've learn and sure that indeed he/she is active in religious propaganda.Gunkarta (talk) 07:40, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

There are multiple reports all themselves linking these crimes to the festival, some describe preparations for the phenomenon well in anticipation of the festival. This is now reported to be a recurring problem every year since 2006, not a once off news event. The Arabic references are more extensive than those in English, and it is a major omission not to allude to this. It is as directly pertinent to the celebration of the feast as many of the other matters recorded here. Once of the sources comes from the Muslim Brotherhood explicitly condemning the crimes, why select this if your description is accurate? There clearly is a serious and important link here, which ought not to be brushed aside simply because it is inconvenient or discomforting, Wikipedia ought to strive for accuracy and objectivity, not become a showcase highlighting only the pleasant and inoffensive aspects of its subjects. For these reasons I have reinstated the section. The criterion for inclusion is its relevance to the subject and the documentary basis, not the persuasion held by the editors, far less perceptions of concerns about motivation. I have made my own convictions transparent from the outset. This appears consistent with WP:NPOV, WP:RS and WP:PROFA Cpsoper (talk) 18:30, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

This section is anecdotal, out of place, and put here by someone with a clear agenda. Should every crime committed during Christmastime be included on the Christmas Wiki page? Of course not. And neither should this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.66.106.71 (talk) 02:46, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

I agree. The section should be removed. Wizzy…☎ 09:35, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

• On the one hand I think that this problem is reliably documented over the course of several years. Another question is whether this is an issue only with Eid or e.g. also with Christmas. Nevertheless, I do not think removing this is justified, awkward though it may be for some. Debresser (talk) 10:50, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

Many of the referenced reports indicate this is not anecdotal or incidental, it is habitual and has become an embedded expectation amongst Egyptians at the time of this festival. There may be important psychosocial triggers at work. If the observance of Christmas, Diwali, or Yom Kippur in a certain country was annually associated with a crime wave of a particular kind, to the extent it was commented on extensively by local and international media, regarded as habitual by local journalists and observers, and even prepared for and monitored in anticipation, that would be just as appropriate for an encyclopedic description of the local manifestations of a celebration, as its lighter and more pleasant aspects, and there is ample precedent in Wiki for this.Cpsoper (talk) 17:33, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

--76.175.189.39 (talk) 18:34, 29 September 2013 (UTC)Aquino

There are now three reports of Eid Al Fitr associated assaults in the UK, the phenomenon is small scale, but has been linked in each of the reports to the feast (after a month of sexual abstinence during day time hours). I have added a short sentence to reflect this. There has been some progress in Egypt in reports. Cpsoper (talk) 01:57, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

An editor has removed the whole section without discussion, even though it is clearly linked in multiple references to the feast itself and therefore belongs here, the addition of wikilinks is welcome though the arabic term will be unfamiliar to most readers. Cpsoper (talk) 21:16, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

Heightened incidence of sexual assault during Eid al-Fitr

Further information: Rape in Egypt and Mass sexual assault in Egypt

There are several accounts of a heightened number of sexual assaults and rapes taking place during the festival in 2006 in Egypt, some noting as well the precautions being taken to prevent a recurrence of such problems. Subsequent reports indicate that this phenomenon continues to cause concern, one Egyptian journalist writes, 'The Eid al-Fitr holiday following this year's Ramadan brought its usual share of sexual harassment'. Operation Anti Sexual Harassment, an Egyptian organisation founded to protect against sexual assaults, described Eid al-Fitr as a "season for harassment", and the prevalence of such attacks 'a trend that has become associated with Eid al-Fitr celebrations in recent years'. In 2013 allegations also surfaced in Cairo and Tanta. Public discussion has been reported to be difficult. 2014 saw lower rates of attempted harassment, and activists reported more confidence since amendment of the penal code. 141 police reports for harassment were filed in Cairo in 2015, though it was claimed many reports were withdrawn. 2016 saw a reduction to 120 complaints and 35 arrests for harassment, many women however felt it necessary to take precautions.

Edward Lane also alludes to a problem with 'intrigues' with females around Eid al Fitr, in the early 19th century.

Eid al-Fitr mass prayer in Morocco

References

I removed the text about "Heightened incidence of sexual assault". As matirials that was mentioned in this article Mass sexual assault in Egypt, this event is not just related to the holiday of Fitr.Saff V. (talk) 10:42, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

I have reinstated it, it does pertain to the feast and has been a frequent topic of press attention in Egypt and outside.Cpsoper (talk) 11:31, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

According to which sources, it has been important issue just about Fitr? Also you reverted all of edits!for example, eidgah is related to a few country but why is it mentioned in the part about prayer?I noticed to Mass sexual assault in Egypt for obtain to Collective opinion not just your idea!Saff V. (talk) 11:50, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

You're welcome to reinstate the other edits. Almost every reference connects the assaults to the festival, read them. Cpsoper (talk) 19:23, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

Gregorian categories

Forgive me, but aren't non-Gregorian and/or movable holidays placed in the Gregorian months that they may fall in, even if they don't always fall within those months? Asarelah (talk) 16:35, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

In the case of the Islamic calendar they will eventually fall in each month of the Gregorian calendar - this is pretty senseless. Anyway, the dates when they currently fall is given in the text or the info-boxes. AstroLynx (talk) 16:39, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

Oh. That makes considerably more sense, thank you. Asarelah (talk) 17:20, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

Remove "Sugar Feast"

I am a native English speaker and have seen Eid Al Fitr celebrated over the last 20 years. I have never heard of any one referring to Eid Al Fitr as Sugar Feast. I recommend removing this term from the introductory paragraph and from the "Alternative terms" section.

It may be called Suikerfeest in Dutch (no confirmation on this eiter), but that does not imply the term Sugar Feast is used in English for Eid Al Fitr.

Please proceed to remove the term Sugar Feast from this article unless someone can provide some authentic references that prove the use of the term Sugar Feast in English.

THanks,

66.170.252.1 (talk) 18:42, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

In the Netherlands the feast is indeed known as the Sugar Feast (see the Dutch link to this page or just google Suikerfeest) which is derived from the Turkish words Şeker Bayramı with the same meaning. Simply googling Sugar Feast give about 46000 hits so the word is not that uncommon either in English. AstroLynx (talk) 11:08, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

Timing

I think it would be useful for visitors to regions or countries where offices and public services like banks close or buses stop running for the content to be more specific about when Eid al-Fitr occurs. So, for 2016 for example, does it begin just after sunset on the 6th July and continue into the daylight hours of the 7th? Does this mean that most services, shops, etc., will be active as normal on the daylight hours of the 6th and be closed all day on the 7th? Or is the daylight hours of the 6th also considered a holiday. 92.26.114.247 (talk) 16:34, 12 June 2016 (UTC)

Yes, it would be useful, but unfortunately the timing of Islamic holidays and months does not easily coincide with the western Gregorian calendar, and the start of Eid depends on the location around the globe. It is a challenge recognized by Muslims around the world (see Ramadan discussion). Also, how long the holiday is observed depends on local custom. For example, in Indonesia Eid al-Fitr is a national holiday, Lebaran, that officially lasts two days, sometimes the day before and after the Moon is sighted; but many take a full week off in order to visit family. --Geog Q (talk) 18:26, 6 July 2016 (UTC)

Iran

I wonder why Iran as an Islamic country is not mentioned in the article . There is a holiday in Iran on Eid_al-Fitr a long with pray all over the country . The most important one held in Musala_of_Tehran — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jilakhaghani (talk • contribs) 02:52, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

Poor layout

On narrow screens, § Native terms is two very narrow columns of text (some entries are wrapped to 4 lines) with an adjacent image that is solely decorative itself taking up a whole "column" of screen-space because text is not wrapped around it. @Debresser: why did you undo my change from "forced two columns" to "flexible column widths"? The latter adjusts correctly for screen-size and wraps around the image without wasting additional space. How is that not actually worse, let alone "Not improvement"? For futher support, the template being used, explicitly says, "The usage of fixed columns is deprecated and should be removed or replaced by the usage of colwidth". DMacks (talk) 11:31, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

Undone, you convinced me. Debresser (talk) 14:23, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the second-look! DMacks (talk) 14:27, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 15 June 2018

كيف يحتفل المسلمون بعيد الفطر المبارك

Zackzo55 (talk) 02:27, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. — IVORK _Discuss 03:06, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 June 2019

The title should be Eid ul-Fitr. 103.215.235.253 (talk) 10:45, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

 Not done. Please propose a proper title change. El_C 10:47, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

Algeria

The section on Algeria might need to be rewritten — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.226.165.29 (talk) 13:32, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 May 2020

https://eidmessages02.blogspot.com/ Lakshith211 (talk) 09:02, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Jack Frost (talk) 09:23, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

Confusion over description

My knowledge about this festival is minimal, and I'm confused by the description in the lede: "Eid is the only day in the month of Shawwal during which Muslims are not permitted to fast." This suggests that adherents are forbidden from fasting - in other words, they must not fast. I'm guessing that the sentence should say "Eid is the only day in the month of Shawwal during which Muslims are permitted to break their fast" - i.e. they're allowed to eat. Could someone with knowledge of the subject confirm this? ~dom Kaos~ (talk) 08:27, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

@Dom Kaos: the description is technically correct. You are probably confusing the months of Ramadan and Shawwal. The former is the month known for its obligatory fasting, while fasting during the latter (or any other month) is done voluntarily at one's own discretion. The prohibition is meant for such voluntary, non-Ramadan fasts. --HyperGaruda (talk) 21:12, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 May 2020

Eid-ul-fitr - 25 May 2020 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 102.249.0.107 (talk) 03:24, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 May 2021

Iranian Kurds visit family , friends and neighbors and the host serve them with candies and sarbet. Children get money from their elders.there is a custom called Nev Jezhna in which People who have lost a loved one months before eid visit the cemetery and some people accompany them. They usually don't visit anyone else because it's other people's turn to visit them, wish them a happy Eid and express condolences again. Rosegirl1990 (talk) 01:15, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

This is how iranian Kurds celebrate Eid Rosegirl1990 (talk) 01:16, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 01:21, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

Eid - celebrated in Palestine and Israel both

Dear Authors,

I am sad that there is no discussion about Eid al-Fitr celebrations in Israel. Since 20+% of the population of Israel is Arab (and most of that Muslim), it would be appropriate to include such a description. And also a description of celebration in West Bank + Gaza + Golan + East Jerusalem == Palestine. I enjoyed celebrating Eid (both Eids, actually) with my Palestinian families-of-love (and I am Jewish). Please include some descriptions. To be honest - I am not able to provide anything authoritative, as I was merely a blessed participant with a very few family groups. Thank you for considering this.

Peace! Judy

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I am also having to add my voice to that of Judy. I was here looking for things here in Israel regarding Eid. Can we please add a section? Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:A040:180:EFCF:C8E:F72B:AC59:FF9B (talk) 17:20, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

Wrong date

The 2021 date for Eid is right!!!!!!!!

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Greek wording is actually Turkish written in Greek alphabet

The Greek wording for the Eid is not Greek. Google translate translates the phrase into Seker Bairam, which is Turkish.

I suspect either the phrase wrong, or it is carried to Greece by Karamanids, Christian Turks who had written with Greek alphabet. They were relocated to Greece during the population exchange.

A better source is needed. 88.243.159.182 (talk) 19:07, 1 May 2022 (UTC)

The Muslim minority in Greece is partly Turkish and obviously the historic context is Ottoman rule, so it makes sense that the name would be Turkish in origin. Iskandar323 (talk) 20:11, 1 May 2022 (UTC)

It certainly is not Greek, none of my Greek friends made sense of the words. Also it is not Turkish in origin, it is just Turkish. They just wrote the Turkish phrase with Greek letters. It wouldn't be Ukrainian if we wrote it as Шекер байрам, and it certainly is not Greek. We need to remove it. 88.243.156.234 (talk) 08:52, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

Gregorian Calendar Conversion Error

The article states that Eid al-Fitr on 1 Shawwal 1420 in the Islamic Calendar happened on 18 January 1999 in the Gregorian Calendar. Can someone change it so that the article instead states that Eid al-Fitr on 1 Shawwal 1420 in the Islamic Calendar happened on 8 January 2000 in the Gregorian Calendar? Stunts1990 (talk) 02:32, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

No of years for same season

no of years for same seasons 160.202.36.78 (talk) 23:33, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Eid Ul Fitr

Ayaan er grim 109.59.225.73 (talk) 08:08, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

Africa is not a country

Africa is not a country so the country that it’s in should be stated. 2603:9009:603:4FC6:34CB:D5E3:D063:2C4F (talk) 10:59, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 May 2023

The 'Recent dates of Eid al-Fitr in Saudi Arabia" table in the "In the Gregorian calendar' section need to updated as this years eid has passed (1444 or 2023). Eid ul-fitr was announced on the 21st of April by High Judiciary Council of Saudi Arabia on twitter and other platforms. source:https://www.newarab.com/news/saudi-arabia-declares-friday-eid-al-fitr Xavonf (talk) 23:08, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
 Not done - It's not clear what your asking, please request changes in "Please change X to Y" format.--estar8806 (talk) ★ 02:40, 13 May 2023 (UTC)