Talk:Elcho Castle

Latest comment: 2 years ago by RoySmith in topic Did you know nomination

Pronunciation

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Is it /ˈɛlxɔ/, /ˈɛlxəʊ/, /ˈɛltʃəʊ/ or something else? --Thrissel (talk) 16:15, 23 May 2012 (UTC)Reply

From what little sense I can make of IPA, i'd suggest /ˈɛlxoʊ/, which may be the same as /ˈɛlxəʊ/? Thanks, Jonathan Oldenbuck (talk) 13:00, 24 May 2012 (UTC)Reply
Cheers mate, added it to the article. --Thrissel (talk) 23:12, 24 May 2012 (UTC)Reply

GA Review

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Reviewer: Djmaschek (talk · contribs) 21:30, 16 October 2022 (UTC)Reply


Initial review

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I plan to assess this article for GA class. I have skimmed the article and I do not see any major issues. Djmaschek (talk) 21:30, 16 October 2022 (UTC)Reply

Review 1

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For B class reviews, I usually make minor corrections myself. However, for GA class reviews, I ask that the author make all the edits. (I found remarkably few typos.) Please either make the suggested changes, or argue your case if you disagree. Thanks. Djmaschek (talk) 23:10, 16 October 2022 (UTC)Reply

  • Introduction: Please add one or more sentences explaining why Elcho Castle is notable. That is, explain why it is a scheduled monument or listed building.
  • Introduction: You write that it was "given to the state", yet the article states that the property is still owned by the Wemyss family. Who is "the state": UK or Scotland or some government entity? Does the castle belong to this entity while the land itself belongs to the family? Please elaborate. You could refer to "the state" in the introduction, but give the details in the 20th and 21st century section. This arrangement may be familiar to persons in the UK, but I'm American and I'm wondering.
  • Description, paragraph 1, sentence 1: "It consists" > "Elcho Castle consists".
  • History, paragraph 4, last sentence: "taken maternal grandfather’s name" > "taken his maternal grandfather’s name".
  • History, paragraph 5, last sentence: "After which the castle was abandoned." > "After this incident the castle was abandoned. (or "After the fire")
  • 20th and 21st century, last paragraph: "as part of conversation work by" (What is "conversation work"? Do you mean conservation?)
  • 20th and 21st century: The water taxi comment suggests that the castle is a tourist attraction. If this is true, please add a note about this. While the castle has historical interest, its current use as a museum or tourist attraction is also important. Is there an entry fee? When is it open to the public?

Djmaschek, thank you for your comments. I hope I've addressed all your points in this review. -Kj cheetham (talk) 17:07, 17 October 2022 (UTC)Reply

@Kj cheetham: GA class. Nice work. Djmaschek (talk) 02:26, 20 October 2022 (UTC)Reply

Did you know nomination

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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by RoySmith (talk23:32, 31 October 2022 (UTC)Reply

 
View of Elcho Castle

Improved to Good Article status by Kj cheetham (talk). Self-nominated at 17:47, 20 October 2022 (UTC).Reply

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
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Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
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Overall:   @Kj cheetham: Good article! However, what makes castlesfortsbattles.co.uk a reliable source? Onegreatjoke (talk) 18:30, 20 October 2022 (UTC)Reply

@Onegreatjoke: Good spot! Looking at http://www.castlesfortsbattles.co.uk/about.html it seems to be a self-published source. When I added it I was assuming it was acceptable as I assumed the author was an expert in the field as per WP:USINGSPS. However in practice I can't confirm that as I'm not aware of anything else they've published, so I'm not convinced it is a reliable source. I'll look into replacing what it's used to reference with alternative sources and get back to you.
@Onegreatjoke: I've now added a better ref for ALT2, plus a picture for this DYK. Hope that is ok. Thanks. -Kj cheetham (talk) 15:16, 22 October 2022 (UTC)Reply
@Kj cheetham: Though you did find a better source, i'm not exactly finding proof for ALT2. The only 1773 thing the source says was that the castle was involved in a mob but not nearly burnt down. Onegreatjoke (talk) 16:07, 22 October 2022 (UTC)Reply
@Onegreatjoke: Unfortunately I can't find a reliable online source that mentions burning specifically, but I have a book (MacSween, Ann (2003). Elcho Castle. Edinburgh: Historic Scotland. ISBN 9781903570777, page 10) that says "A mob marched from Perth to Elcho and soldiers had to prevent a riot and the burning of the castle." Is that sufficient? -Kj cheetham (talk) 16:16, 22 October 2022 (UTC)Reply
  @Kj cheetham: Well then I would have to assume good faith on that and proceed. Onegreatjoke (talk) 16:18, 22 October 2022 (UTC)Reply