Template:Did you know nominations/Elcho Castle

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by RoySmith (talk) 23:32, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

Elcho Castle

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• ... that the 16th century Elcho Castle (pictured) featured both en suite accomodation, and a large number of gun loops? Source: https://www.secret-scotland.com/place/elcho-castle
  • ALT1: ... that Elcho Castle (pictured) has been in the same family since it was first constructed around 1560? Source: https://www.historicenvironment.scot/visit-a-place/places/elcho-castle/history/ and MacSween, Ann (2003). Elcho Castle. Edinburgh: Historic Scotland
  • ALT2: ... that Elcho Castle (pictured) was never involved in military activity, but was nearly burned down in 1773? Source: http://www.castlesfortsbattles.co.uk/perth_fife/elcho_castle.html Source: https://www.historicenvironment.scot/archives-and-research/publications/publication/?publicationId=b1aacae4-9c1e-4acd-aef4-a8150104c578
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  • Comment: This is only my 4th nomination, so QPQ not required.

Improved to Good Article status by Kj cheetham (talk). Self-nominated at 17:47, 20 October 2022 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
Freely licensed: Used in article: Clear at 100px:

QPQ: None required.

Overall: @Kj cheetham: Good article! However, what makes castlesfortsbattles.co.uk a reliable source? Onegreatjoke (talk) 18:30, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

@Onegreatjoke: Good spot! Looking at http://www.castlesfortsbattles.co.uk/about.html it seems to be a self-published source. When I added it I was assuming it was acceptable as I assumed the author was an expert in the field as per WP:USINGSPS. However in practice I can't confirm that as I'm not aware of anything else they've published, so I'm not convinced it is a reliable source. I'll look into replacing what it's used to reference with alternative sources and get back to you.

@Onegreatjoke: I've now added a better ref for ALT2, plus a picture for this DYK. Hope that is ok. Thanks. -Kj cheetham (talk) 15:16, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

@Kj cheetham: Though you did find a better source, i'm not exactly finding proof for ALT2. The only 1773 thing the source says was that the castle was involved in a mob but not nearly burnt down. Onegreatjoke (talk) 16:07, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

@Onegreatjoke: Unfortunately I can't find a reliable online source that mentions burning specifically, but I have a book (MacSween, Ann (2003). Elcho Castle. Edinburgh: Historic Scotland. ISBN 9781903570777, page 10) that says "A mob marched from Perth to Elcho and soldiers had to prevent a riot and the burning of the castle." Is that sufficient? -Kj cheetham (talk) 16:16, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

@Kj cheetham: Well then I would have to assume good faith on that and proceed. Onegreatjoke (talk) 16:18, 22 October 2022 (UTC)