Talk:Elena Satine

What is her original surname? Georgian sources say she is Elene Skhirtladze

Anyone knows what's her real surname? Or what ethnicity is she of? Is she an ethnic Georgian? or is she ethnic Russian? Found nothing about her. It says just that she was born in Georgia but what's her background we don't know so if anyone knows or whatever please post. Please note that all Georgian sources say that she is an ethnic Georgian and is Elene Skhirtladze and was born by that very surname. GEORGIANJORJADZE 00:45, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

Since late 2011 (and probably earlier, haven't checked), many edits have changed her birth placeback and forth between Georgia and Russia, or added her alleged birthname; for example, [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6], [7], [8], [9], plus many reverts I haven't linked. We still haven't cited any source for her birthplace or birthname. See Wikipedia:Help_desk/Archives/2011_September_4#fake_name_in_headline.2Fduplicate_pages for a person who says she is Elena Satine saying "Satine" is her birthname. GeorgianJorjadze provided a bunch of Georgian sources that say she is ethnic Georgian, but I can't read any of them, nor discern whether they're reliable sources. As these are obviously contentious issues, I've removed all information and categories related to birthplace, ethnicity, and birthname, as mandated by WP:BLP. I'll also apply for semi-protection. If anyone has a reliable source regarding any of this, please provide. Adrian J. Hunter^{(talk•contribs)} 11:29, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

All the Georgian sources say she is Skhirtladze but no further info in the English sources so far. Is Satine a surname or a pseydonim? I don't think Satine is a Russian surname. Or is it? In the previous text it said she had lineage to Orbeliani house? Jaqeli (talk) 12:59, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

You're welcome to add Skhirtladze, so long as whatever source you can cite meets Wikipedia's criteria for reliable sources. I can't tell myself as I can't read the language. I'm just wary that the sources might just have got the name from Wikipedia, where it might have been introduced by a vandal. Citing those sources would thus be citogenesis. Adrian J. Hunter^{(talk•contribs)} 10:33, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

@Elenasatine: Maybe you could answer on the questions above? That would help to clear the things out. Jaqeli (talk) 03:53, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

Origin edit war

Her surname is Satina, which is her mother’s surname. Her mother is ethnic Russian. Her mother is on a several social media platforms as Marina Satina. Annabanana11 (talk) 21:02, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

All of the sources provided for her being “Georgin claimed that she is “a Russian actress “born in Georgia. That does not make her ethnically Georgin, her father is Georgin, her mother is Russian, if anything she’s a Georgin Russian actress. I have suggested to just leave it as a Lena Satine is an American singer or an actress. Are used Mila KunisI have a problem with her being cited as a Georgin-American on wikipedia

All of the sources provided for her being “Georgian” claim that she is “a Russian actress “born” in Georgia.” That does not make her ethnically Georgin, her father is Georgian, her mother is Russian, if anything she’s a Georgian- Russian. I have suggested to just leave it as a Elena Satine is an American singer and actress. I used Mila Kunis’s Wikipedia page as an example, she is born in Ukraine to Ukrainian parents, yet she’s listed as an American actress. Because her body of work is entirely in America. I think this is only fair to not offend both Georgians and Russians. However stubborn people keep changing it back to Georgian-American. It’s just not fair to Russian people who also embrace her as their own. In fact if you translate to instyle Russia article it’s says several times that she is Russian, raised in Sochi, in a Russian speaking family, I don’t understand how much more proof you need?Again why I can’t just say American actress as Mila Kunis’s page? How is that any different than Elena’s situation? They both moved to America as children and both work in American cinema? You shouldn’t be allowed to interpret sources however you like, when an article clearly states somebody is “Russian born in Georgia” that means they are Russian born in Georgia. I don’t understand why that is so confusing? Annabanana11 (talk) 21:11, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

First of all, this edit summary you made as an IP is completely inappropriate in tone. Many of your other edit summaries as an IP in this article have been combative, and dismissive to our collaborative environment. It is also standard procedure in a dispute to restore the article to its original state pending the outcome of a discussion. By the way, your personal knowledge of this person or her family is not considered a reliable source and has no bearing here. And why, if these articles you're talking about say "Russian", are you not calling her Russian American? Lastly, unless you can point to a discussion regarding why Mila Kunis is described as she is in her article, the comparison to this article is inappropriate because we have no way of knowing why Kunis is described this way, if there has been consensus, or if it's even correct. Thank you for opening this discussion, but you're going to end up blocked if you can't control yourself and be more collaborative.— TAnthony^Talk 21:31, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 April 2022

Change nationality from Georgian/American to correct form - Georgian... born in Georgia to Georgian parents... citizenship status does NOT change nationality. 2A02:C7E:5888:6200:B906:3C74:6EBB:AA7C (talk) 13:52, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 14:26, 19 April 2022 (UTC)