Talk:Eminence Front

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There is a rumor that the lyrics/title was originally "Everything's F**ked, and they called it Eminence Front to get it approved, and get radio airplay. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.109.200.3 (talk) 2008-10-30T15:29:07

That would definitely need reliable sources cited, instead of a rumor, if it was put in the article. --Closeapple (talk) 23:51, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

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Supposed 1980s critique

"The song itself focuses on the hedonistic lifestyle that was prevalent during the 1980s".

I love these song essays that are so clearly written by people much younger than the actual song. "Eminence Front" came out in 1982, when the UK was just over the early Thatcher recession and the US was deep in one. The '80s had barely gotten going then, and people were hardly living the hedonistic, boom-times lifestyle suggested by the lyrics, the one they would later on in that decade.

Aside from which, that should be cited. Daniel Case (talk) 16:55, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

The Reality of the early 1980's

I worked in south Florida between 1982-1984. I was 24 at the time and this song was the reality of my life, the people I knew and especially the people that I worked for. Everything was done in excess. Drinking, drugs, women and material possessions were flaunted openly and shamelessly. The party never stopped and the appearance of the high style of living and living on the edge was everywhere. I was offered cocaine by the young man that sold me my car. The owners of our business celebrated a the acquisition of new equipment by snorting cocaine off of their new purchase. My employers were charged and served time for bilking millions of dollars from Americans chasing their own greedy desires and excesses. It never stopped and it was everywhere. I assure you from first hand experience, while this may not have been the life style for all Americans,, it was certainly the lifestyle for those of us that were "fortunate" enough to have borne witness to the 1980's in south Florida. Eminence Front,, it's a put on! RoscoeT (talk) 17:18, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

Law Abiding Citizen

It was played during the scene in which gerard butler is eating a steak and all the trimmings in his cell, with his cellmate.

75.176.114.204 (talk) 04:13, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

I was 13 in 1982, and my impression is that the song essay is fairly accurate. Sure, the masses of people were not feeling the prosperity associated with the conspicuous consumption of (in the USA) the 1980's but, that didn't stop people from wanting to play the roll of someone with means. Wealth, and exclusivity was what very few had, and the masses aspired to, some going into debt in the process. A lot of troubled folk were trying to mask real pain, and insecurities with the "right" job, clothes, home, car etc. In 1978, Chris Matthews wrote a speech for President Jimmy Carter. In this speech Carter talked about the need for American citizens to heal real problems spiritually, and not with material possessions. (Elbert Phillips (talk) 20:27, 15 January 2010 (UTC))

Stereo Image

The vocal in Eminence Front is panned hard right, not hard left. I think the original writer/listener had their speakers the wrong way around. They won't have got a true stereo image either, if their speakers are portaying the stereo image in the wrong direction. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Compost (talk • contribs) 23:47, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

Video Version

The song produced a video, shot at a rehearsal in Landover, Maryland, during their 1982 US tour, which enjoyed consistent airplay on MTV upon its release. Footage from the Who's 1982 concert at Shea Stadium was also used in the video.

I don't think this paragraph makes it quite clear enough that the video uses an entirely different version from the one on It's Hard. I've always known this because I think the album version sucks hard: The solo is mostly a flub, Townshend's voice is at its nasally worst, they can't even sing the chorus line in unison (as noted elsewhere) and the "dress yourself to kill" ending is more offhanded than emphatic.

I don't know where the alternate version in the video comes from. It begins with shots of all the members arriving at the rehearsal hangar and setting up, until it's time for Pete to sing, at which point they're all set up and playing along. It seems like a truly live rehearsal video with an image-edited intro.

It wasn't that unusual to hear different versions of songs on MTV videos. Anybody remember The Fixx's "Red Skies"? The video was a completely different version. It appeared to be the band performing live, but with no audience in sight.

--Ben Culture (talk) 01:49, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

Games

This song was in games Sleeping Dogs and GTA San Andreas 89.40.195.9 (talk) 15:24, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

Inclusion in Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas

Multiple edits have been reverted by @Doctorhawkes, at first for lack of citations, then for "passing mentions." This is inconsistent with a great many articles regarding music where inclusion in popular video game titles is noted on passing mentions. This user has suggested that consensus be obtained on the talk page for this article, so I've decided to take that suggestion.

I don't think I need to make an argument on the popularity of Grand Theft Auto titles, that much is self-evident. The question is whether a passing mention is enough to include a properly-cited entry of music in apparently-popular video games. MrThunderbolt1000T (talk) 04:27, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

Clearly, I don't believe it's noteworthy. It exists, but I haven't seen any sources discussing it beyond saying it exists. Any reasonably popular song is likely to appear in a number of games, tv shows and movies. The way we determine whether the use is noteworthy is by showing discussion about its use. Otherwise, every single use would be equally noteworthy and articles turn to trash. As for being inconsistent, see WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS.

Of course, if a good source was found, I'd have no objection whatsoever. Doctorhawkes (talk) 02:00, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

I have intentionally searched for GTA in song articles for the purpose of removing trivia. If a cited source shows that the song is merely listed as appearing on GTA, that's not enough for us. If a WP:SECONDARY source describes the context of the song in GTA or otherwise calls it out as remarkable, then we can include it. So it would need a named author using prose to talk about the song in GTA. Binksternet (talk) 02:59, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

I can see that three sources were cited by MrThunderbolt1000T, and just one of them has a tiny bit of context delivered by a named author. Mikael Wood of Seattle Weekly described the song as the "least strident of all the Who’s palsied white-funk gems" when reviewing the Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas Official Soundtrack Box Set in 2006. Binksternet (talk) 03:09, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

I believe it is noteworthy that the song was included in such a popular game. I'd argue more noteworthy than the current contents of the Popular Culture section about the use in some basketball games, at least if you are considering the size of the audience reached Centros5 (talk) 20:55, 17 April 2024 (UTC)