Talk:Emperor of the North Pole

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The film was shot in and around the town of Cottage Grove, Oregon along the right-of-way of the real-life Oregon, Pacific and Eastern Railway. Willis Kyle, President of the OP&E in 1972 allowed the film company unlimited access to make the film. Oregon Pacific and Eastern's rolling stock, including two steam locomotives (one of these being #19, a type 2-8-2 Mikado), appear in the film. The OP&E sleeping cars are named after local Oregon towns, one bearing the name Cottage Grove. Also featured is the Dorena Reservoir, located about 10 miles east of Cottage Grove.

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trezjr 21:13, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm the one who tagged the section for citation. Deletion isn't necessary and in any case, I provided most of the citations. Katr67 02:34, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Rename Article

The most well known title is Emperor of the North and the article should reflect that, especially now that the DVD has been released as such and all television airings were done under that title. A note in the article can explain about the earlier title, but most people who do searches for the film will do it as "Emperor of the North." RoyBatty42 22:10, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

I don't have any objective evidence (although it probably wouldn't be hard to find) but I clearly remember the title being shortened to Emperor of the North only a couple of weeks after it was first released theatrically - which would be considerably before home video. The TV commercials, as I remember, simply edited out the announcer's utterance of "North". ChasFink (talk) 20:06, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

…You mean edited out the utterance of "Pole", I presume? Emperor of the Pole kind of sounds like a great male stripper movie title though. --Cinemaniac86^Talk_Stalk 23:01, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

Yes, "Pole". It just hit me that I made that error, and I was about to fix that but you beat me to it. ChasFink (talk) 23:56, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

Ten years later, and still listed this way? Dumb. it's listed on IMDb as Emperor of the North, all movie posters list it as such. The title of the article should be Emperor of the North. Pretty cut and dried. Maybe stop being pedantic? 2604:6000:6D41:D700:5487:553B:4A46:B95E (talk) 01:59, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

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Third title

After its initial release this film had second one that was titled Shack after Ernest Borgnine's character. I can't seem to find any info about this on the net. It doesn't look like this article is on many watchlists but I thought I would leave this note for future editors who might be able to find a reliable source about this so that we can add it too the article. MarnetteD | Talk 19:05, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

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Needs context

I think you have pruned the article a little too radically. The plot section used to start like this: Shack (Ernest Borgnine) is a merciless, inhumane, and sadistic conductor on the Oregon, Pacific and Eastern Railroad, during the Great Depression. Lots of good context there. After your cleanup it starts A hobo who is a hero to his peers, A-No.-1 manages to hop the train [...] only to be seen by Shack, which left me wondering who Shack was, and for that matter what train we are even talking about.  Card Zero  (talk) 21:07, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

That was a POV description of the character not a description of the plot as seen onscreen. Plot sections are not meant to be detailed descriptions of the characters. BTW this belongs on the talk page for the article and I would be fine with these two posts being moved there MarnetteD|Talk 21:14, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for moving this CZ. Please see Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Film#Plot in particular The plot section describes the events of the original general release. Regards. MarnetteD|Talk 21:22, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

OK, I suggest a minimal intro containing the words conductor and train, at least. For instance, just getting rid of the value judgements, Shack (Ernest Borgnine) is a conductor on the Oregon, Pacific and Eastern Railroad, during the Great Depression. He guards his train, the #19, against those trying to ride for free. Then there more are details, with the list of weapons and the description of the scene under the opening credits. I suppose those are too much detail?

The next bit goes: Shack has an arsenal of makeshift weapons: several differently-sized hammers, a steel coupler pin tied to the end of a length of rope, a 4-6' chain, and a high pressure steam hose from the locomotive. During the opening credits, he hammers a hobo on the head whom he's found riding between two cars, causing the "bo" to fall down under the cars and be cut in two by the train's wheels.  Card Zero  (talk) 21:28, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

I like the first one. You are right that the description of all of his tools should be removed. Per The plot summary is an overview of the film's main events, so avoid minutiae like dialogue, scene-by-scene breakdowns, individual jokes, and technical detail. That is too much detail for a plot section. BTW I don't know if this film is on any streaming service available to you but if you can track it down you should give it a try. Bestregards. MarnetteD|Talk 21:55, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

Yes, I dug it up, it looks enjoyable.  Card Zero  (talk) 22:14, 20 April 2022 (UTC)