Talk:English as a lingua franca

ELF is not Globish

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ELF is not, nor will it ever be, Globish (though the project has its attractions). Cf. Dell Hymes, Ethnogenesis, Creolization ... Trachys (talk) 15:51, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

I do not see the mistakes listed on this page though many writers are not native English speakers. (Sorry for my 100% original research soapboxing.) Andries (talk) 18:06, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

I got say as native speak person: I hear much foreign people speak gooder English than many my fellow English people do. I hear even BBC talkers drop indefinite/definite article and often to also be use split infinitive. Also they often not know when should use who or whom and many use 'you and I' after transitive verb instead of 'you and me'. My foreign friend say following opinion:

THE BBC seems to have become THE worst offender in what feels like A concerted effort to force this ELF (aka. Ameringlish) nonsense on the world. Their abuse of THE English language grows worse every year.

Sometimes today BBC sound like East Europe person reading programs/news/shows. Is gone crazy world I thinks. ;)

81.107.245.123 (talk) 01:55, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

"3rd person singular zero"?

At the moment, the following is listed as one of the features of ELF: "use of 3rd person singular zero, as in you look very sad and he looks very sad". Can someone explain (or, if needed, correct) this? 217.255.102.219 (talk) 09:26, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

" 'Best' Accents "

According to Anna Mauranen, after four ranks about Correctness, Acceptability, Pleasantness, and Familiarity, the result shows that UK and US English had the highest rate overall. Specifically, UK English is assessed higher than US English in correctness and pleasantness; similar in international acceptability. "The respondents were willing to rate certain accents very negatively or, conversely, very positively despite also stating that they were unfamiliar with these accents, thus demonstrating that stereotyping was in some way involved in their evaluations."

References

Entry name: Capitalization

It seems to me that the entry name needs to in capitals: ELF is the acronym and English as a Lingua Franca is the established name, see, e.g. Jenkins' 2015 textbook. Not sure why the lower-case version is used... 20:10, 15 February 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Moochooroo (talk • contribs)

unprecendented

I would argue that other languages have already seen more L2 speakers than L1 speakers in the past, e.g. Ancient Latin, Spanish, even French. Possible Persian too, and Arabic Jasy jatere (talk) 10:37, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

Becoming?

The article says that «English has fulfilled this need by becoming the global lingua franca of the 21st century», without any accreditation. This statement is not trivial — indeed English was not coopted anew upon the emmergence of new communication means circa 1999 (as this quote would suggest to a hypothetical reader ab ouo), as it was already the world’s lingua franca at the begining of the 21st century and merely followed in that role as communication methods and devices progressed and diversified. This statement needs to be either removed as an unsupported non-trivial claim or backed up by solid sources (maybe Henry Widdowson?) — but if so it needs to be stated more clearly (namely to explain how ELF in the 21st century is not merely a carryover from previous decades) and mentions to opposing views (François Grin, Robert Phillipson, et c.) become necessary. Tuvalkin (talk) 16:45, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

I must add that UPU (the Universal Postal Union) took english as working language in 1994 because it was impossible to maintain france as the only working language in technical development.Linkato1 (talk) 08:11, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

English as a Lingua Franca

Hi there, hope everyone is well! I was wondering why this reference English as a Lingua Franca is mean to have a definition of English as a vehicular language. I understand the context, but to me, as a French native and English speaker, Spanish and other languages I learn, I believe the definition from English as a lingua franca should be (lingua franca = langua francaise or langue de France) and not defined as a vehicular dialect. We could use Sabir or English as a sabir vehicular correspondence, or many other definitions that could fit much better than the actual.

Would love to get some feedback. Best regards, 13:21, 14 July 2024 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by SirlupinwatsonIII (talk • contribs)