Talk:Erie Otters

Fair use rationale for Image:Erie third jersey.jpg

Image:Erie third jersey.jpg has been orphaned. Flibirigit (talk) 22:47, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Updating info/rewriting stuff

Just wanted to throw out a head's up that I'm working on an updated version of the page. If anyone has comments or ideas let me know. Infero Veritas (talk) 20:38, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Connor Price

This article is necessary. The current one is about an actor, and I do not suggest it be removed, but we need one for the new goaltender fill-in for the March 4 game against the Niagara Ice Dogs. He is considered notable as he's received nationwide coverage. CycloneGU (talk) 16:27, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

McDavid Era?

Was the team just about McDavid during this time, as that's how that section reads. 86.157.232.44 (talk) 19:40, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

No it wasn't. The first two years he was there Connor Brown was arguably the best player (and was OHL player of the year and leading scorer in the CHL in 2013/14) and Dane Fox was also an important part of the team. Strome was prominent in 014/15 and was the team's leading scorer. That section should be re-written in a more neutral way and the heading should be changed IMO. GLG GLG (talk) 21:15, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

Troy Timpano

Troy Timpano is listed as being American, but also as being born in Canada. Considering that he is listed as being born in the exact same place as the player above him, I'm guessing that it's a mistake. 99.248.171.62 (talk) 05:31, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

Removal of pointless maintenance tags

Flibirigit said, "The tone of this article is not encyclopedic and uses too many points-of-view from a fan, its language is also too colloquial and idiomatic."

This is a subjective opinion lacking quantity or quality. The language in this article is standard for sports team pages, including major professional ones like the Pittsburgh Penguins. For example: "In 1980, the 13th-seeded Penguins took the Bruins to the limit in their first-round playoff series. The following season, as the 15th seed, they lost the decisive game of their first-round series in overtime to the heavily favored St. Louis Blues. Then, in the 1982 playoffs, the Penguins held a 3–1 lead late in the fifth and final game of their playoff series against the reigning champions, the New York Islanders."

Certain admins seem to have a vested interest in keeping maintenance tags on this article no matter what improvements are made. Paleorthodox (talk) 11:54, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

I note that improvements have been made since the tag was place earlier today, but the article still needs work before the maintenance tags are removed. Some outstanding issues listed below. Flibirigit (talk) 00:50, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Fine. I wanted to make sure you actually had quantifiable remarks or were just mindlessly slapping a tag on an article like so many Wikipedians do. I will gladly work on these fixes in the coming weeks. Next time, it's your responsibility to quantify your remarks before you threaten people with bans. Paleorthodox (talk) 03:38, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

1. There are entire paragraphs and sections without any citation. Please see WP:CITE.
2. The section header "Stability and diversity (2019–present)" is subjective and unclear as to what is stable or diverse. Please use more neutral words.
3. In the "Early years (1996–2000)" section, the sentence "The Erie Otters have one of the most dynamic and geographically diverse histories within the Ontario Hockey League (OHL)", is subjective and unclear as to what is dynamic or diverse. This is written as someone's personal opinion and violates WP:NPOV.
4. In the "Early years (1996–2000)" section, what constitutes "historic Windsor Arena", and why is it even relevant to this team?
5. In the same section, "Despite this change, the franchise faced challenges in attracting a solid fan base", is unclear as to what challenges were faced, nor what constitutes a "solid fan base".
6. In the section "Qualifying for the playoffs for the first time (2001)", what is "a more robust team identity"? Please use more specific and less POV wording.
7. In the section "The emergence of Ryan O'Reilly (2006–08)", what constitutes "O'Reilly demonstrated considerable promise"? Please use more specific and less POV wording.
8. In the section "The rise of Connor McDavid (2012–15)", the claim "This strategy proved successful" is blatant POV, subjective and idiomatic. Further, words like "extraordinary" and "Notably" are WP:PEACOCK violations.
9. In the section "Memorial Cup appearance (2017)", the team demonstrated a formidable and talented roster is POV. Further, words like "remarkable" are PEACOCK terms.
10. In the "Stability and diversity (2019–present)" section, claims such as "significant milestone" are POV. Just state what happened instead of putting in personal opinions. Futher, "underscoring the organization's commitment to fostering diversity and inclusion in hockey" is blatant promtional tone.

Arguing that "The language in this article is standard for sports team pages" is akin to arguing WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. The tone is not appropriate there, nor here. Eventually all articles will be improved. Please follow advice of fellow editors to fix problems, instead of duplication. The claim "Certain admins seem to have a vested interest in keeping maintenance tags on this article no matter what improvements are made", is baffling since I am not an administrator and never claimed to be. Flibirigit (talk) 00:53, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, I think I can work on getting the page in order. Give me a few days. Conyo14 (talk) 02:26, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Actually, I realized how difficult it could be getting citations for all the history parts. The OHL is just not as covered as other leagues. I'll remove the POV language though. Conyo14 (talk) 18:48, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Coverage is available through local media. Using newspapers.com via the WikiLibrary would be worthwhile but time consuming. Flibirigit (talk) 18:54, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

You need to subscribe to use those services and unfortunately, it is not worth my time. I hope the language is a bit better though. Conyo14 (talk) 19:02, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

I would not describe the quoted passage as idiomatic or colloquial beyond the phrase "to the limit," whereas I agree with Flibirigit that this article needs a lot of rewrites Wheatzilopochtli (talk) 01:26, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

I'll bite. What's YOUR vested interest in removing the tags? Looking at the state of the article at the time of your post, it was riddled with peacock sportswriterese. You're better off addressing Flibirigit's list than in claiming all is well. Ravenswing 06:41, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Because tags indicate the article has problems. I would think that would be self-evident. That said, I find it a little odd for admins to have higher expectations for corrections to this article than every other sports team. No matter what improvements are made to this page, there's an admin ready to slap a tag on them. The energy that Flibirigit used to write a laundry list of issues could have been better spent making said improvements rather than complaining about them. The tags are being abused on this article, especially when it takes so much drama to remove them. Paleorthodox (talk) 03:33, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

First, tags can be done by anyone, not just admins.

Second, if the tags were removed but this issue(s) wasn't resolved, then they deserve to stay. Conyo14 (talk) 05:04, 24 October 2024 (UTC)