Talk:Everton F.C./Archive 3
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Vitalii or Vitaliy has been changed recently...
... as there have been edits made to change the spelling. While one editor removed the piping two days ago to display "Vitaliy" per this EL and the article itself, another editor has reverted today in line with the Everton profile EL. Some ELs must have spelt his name incorrectly, whether it is the Everton website and what Chris Cheekos thinks, or many of the references and ELs in the article which what Giofanni Rahman decides to make of it. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 15:17, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
- If Everton list him as "Vitaliy" then that also means he is known to FIFA as "Vitaliy" and is how we should list him. I have changed it back per [1]. — Jkudlick ⚓ (talk) 16:43, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
- We shouldn't be referring to him by different names on different articles without a very good reason. If the article is at Vitaliy Mykolenko, we shouldn't be piping to anything else; if that name is spelled wrong, the article should be moved and links updated to reflect it. Also, both Everton and the Ukrainian Football Association refer to him as Vitaliy, not Vitalii. – PeeJay 14:09, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
- As seen on WT:Footy, I have opted to start a move discussion in line with the suggestions there. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 18:29, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
- We shouldn't be referring to him by different names on different articles without a very good reason. If the article is at Vitaliy Mykolenko, we shouldn't be piping to anything else; if that name is spelled wrong, the article should be moved and links updated to reflect it. Also, both Everton and the Ukrainian Football Association refer to him as Vitaliy, not Vitalii. – PeeJay 14:09, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 28 January 2023
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2A02:C7C:56CE:F400:F9CE:1DC9:EEB6:B3EC (talk) 08:58, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
Assistant manager Limrk
Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Cannolis (talk) 09:20, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
Thelwell nationality?
He's English but has a Welsh flag next to his name 2A00:23C8:A050:2B01:28A2:44D1:18B7:F4F2 (talk) 10:25, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
Singular/plural
The page is inconsistent on whether Everton should be treated as a singular or plural noun. The common rule in British English is that football clubs and other groups, including musical bands and political parties, are a plural. This is how British people talk, whether or not it confuses Americans. I've seen it argued before that a football club as a corporation is singular while as a team it is plural, but this isn't common use in reliable British media:
BBC: "Everton are set to be the next football club to be added to the global stable of Miami-based investment firm 777 Partners - but what should fans expect?" - About Everton as a corporation, plural
BBC: "Everton have lost all four home games this season" - About Everton as a football team, plural
Guardian: "Despite Moshiri’s now stated intention to depart, Everton are reliant on the support" - About Everton as a corporation, plural - one of 42,000 results for "Everton are" in the Guardian
Certainly, wording like "The following season, Martínez led Everton to the last 16 of the 2014-15 UEFA Europa League, where it was defeated by Dynamo Kyiv, whilst domestically finishing 11th in the Premier League. Everton reached the semi-finals of both the League Cup and the FA Cup in 2015–16, but was defeated in both" is very jarring and the kind of wording I only see when I click on a news article using a wire from an American press agency.
I am not doing the changes myself as it would probably lead to edit warring unless there is consensus in this section. Unknown Temptation (talk) 11:23, 4 October 2023 (UTC)
- Through digging the fossil record, the changing of plurals to singular was done in June 2019 [2] "in accordance with rules". Quite what rules, I don't know, but the user who did it has been blocked indefinitely for lack of communication and misleading edit summaries. Unknown Temptation (talk) 11:37, 4 October 2023 (UTC)
- I would say that the club/team is treated as plural in basically every context. Saying "it was defeated" is totally and utterly wrong. The only sentence I can think of off the top of my head where it might be acceptable to use the singular is "the club was founded in 18[whenever]". I don't think "the club were founded" sounds right in that context, personally -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 11:46, 4 October 2023 (UTC)
- Plural is correct in British English, singular is American English (though it's also common in some other countries such as India). Should be "Everton have won" not "Everton has won". Joseph2302 (talk) 18:31, 4 October 2023 (UTC)
- I would say that the club/team is treated as plural in basically every context. Saying "it was defeated" is totally and utterly wrong. The only sentence I can think of off the top of my head where it might be acceptable to use the singular is "the club was founded in 18[whenever]". I don't think "the club were founded" sounds right in that context, personally -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 11:46, 4 October 2023 (UTC)