Talk:Everything I Wanted

Requested move 9 February 2020

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The result of the move request was: MOVED GSSNYC (talk) 17:43, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

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• Everything I Wanted (Billie Eilish song) → Everything I Wanted
• Everything I Wanted → Everything I Wanted (disambiguation)

– Other songs had little-to-no notability before the Billie Eilish song came out.[1] Unreal7 (talk) 20:52, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

• Support. The other songs' chart positions are not nearly as impressive as the Billie Eilish song's. Nohomersryan (talk) 23:00, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
• firm oppose - as fraught with WP:RECENTISM. While it does chart slightly higher than the Minogue song, it is not enough for a clear and lasting PRIMARY assignment. -- Netoholic @ 04:03, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

"Slightly higher" than Minogue's song of the same name? Are we looking at the same articles? The chart performance of Eilish's song far exceeds anything the Minogue song achieved, even in the countries where the Minogue song charted. The Minogue song charted in Australia and the UK, and because of its UK peak, scraped into a broad European chart that tallies chart performance across all European charts. That's it—Scotland and the UK Dance are charts that contribute to the overall UK chart, so those don't really count. Eilish's song has appeared on several dozen unique countries' charts and been certified in six of them. That's not slightly higher, it's far higher. Ss112 11:44, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

• Support. This subject dominates the pageviews. See here. Colin Gerhard (talk) 19:16, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
• Weak support. Only because of how well known it's become in such a short space of time. Perhaps not to some Wikipedia editors whose music knowledge skews several decades ago, but the Bangles song achieved next to nothing and the Minogue song's minor chart success was limited to the UK and her native Australia. According to the pageviews as well, most readers clearly want to see the Eilish song article. Ss112 11:44, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
• Support, for now. It is currently the primary topic. Shhhhwwww!! (talk) 23:16, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

As 7 days have passed since the initial request to move, I'm going to perform the page move upon evaluating the discussion here: GSSNYC (talk) 17:38, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

• There is clear consensus that the Billie Eilish song is the primary topic in terms of usage: "A topic is primary for a term with respect to usage if it is highly likely—much more likely than any other single topic, and more likely than all the other topics combined—to be the topic sought when a reader searches for that term." taking into account the page views noted by Ss112.
• It can be objectively stated that the Billie Eilish song is of greater long-term significance than the other articles. Both other articles referring to songs from 1990 and 1997 are far exceeded in chart performance by the Billie Eilish song (as pointed out by Ss112).
• The argument that the song performed only slightly higher than the Minogue song of the same name is not backed up by evidence and the reply disputing that argument is backed up by evidence and there has been no defence to the initial argument despite adequate time (5-6 days).

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Requested move 16 February 2020

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The result of the move request was: moved. It would appear the above requested move was misinterpreted - the proposal was to place Everything I Wanted (Billie Eilish song) at Everything I Wanted, not point Everything I Wanted to Everything I Wanted (Billie Eilish song) (which appears to be what the closer did). There's no need to actually hash this out again. Nohomersryan (talk) 23:43, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

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Everything I Wanted (Billie Eilish song) → Everything I Wanted – Clear primary topic based on these three pageviews Shhhhwwww!! (talk) 18:20, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

• Support I don't see why not. "Everything I Wanted" currently exists only as a redirect to here. The closest anything else comes in terms of notability is a 1997 song which charted only in the UK and Australia at #15 and #44. This looks like it has charted in something like 50 countries, and looks like it went Top 10 in almost all of them. No question that this is the primary topic. And simply naming this "Everything I Wanted" is in-line with Wikipedia's treatment of other titles. Nikki Lee 1999 (talk) 19:10, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
• Firm Support The rename is consistent with how the primary topic is handled with other articles. For example; Here Comes the Sun by the Beatles. GSSNYC (talk) 21:21, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
• Wait, Shhhhwwww!!, why the rehash? Wasn't the above rm successful?Nohomersryan (talk) 03:27, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
• Eh? We just closed the move above! Unreal7 (talk) 14:48, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

Please note the removal of the parenthesized disambiguation. This move proposal is to remove the " (Billie Eilish song)" after the title. GSSNYC (talk) 22:59, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

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