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March 31

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(Posted) RD: Jane Manning

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Article: Jane Manning (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC Music Magazine; The Daily Telegraph
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Nominator's comments: Only announced and reported today (April 1). —Bloom6132 (talk) 22:13, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Ken Reitz

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Article: Ken Reitz (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): St. Louis Post-Dispatch; MLB.com
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Nominator's comments: Only announced and reported today (April 1). —Bloom6132 (talk) 20:24, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Lee Collins

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Article: Lee Collins (footballer, born 1988) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC Sport
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Nominator's comments: Death announced 1 April, no further details announced yet. Article looks like it's in good shape. Joseph2302 (talk) 13:49, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Turing Award

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Articles: Alfred Aho (talk · history · tag) and Jeffrey Ullman (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Alfred Aho (pictured) and Jeffrey Ullman receive the Turing Award for their work on programming language compilers. (Post)
News source(s): CNET,ACM press release
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Nominator's comments: Some work needed for sourcing and WP:MOS. Commons does not have a picture of Ullman. Joofjoof (talk) 21:50, 31 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

 Y Ullman sourcing is complete. Joofjoof (talk) 01:19, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
 Y Aho sourcing is complete as well. Pinging P-K3 for another look. Joofjoof (talk) 10:42, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Arkady Ter-Tadevosyan

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Article: Arkady Ter-Tadevosyan (talk · history · tag)
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News source(s): Armenian Radio
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Nominator's comments: Armenian military general. Article is OK. KingOfAllThings (thou shalt chatter!) 16:00, 31 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

March 30

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RD: Claude Callegari

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Article: Claude Callegari (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Independent, BBC News
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Nominator's comments: British YouTuber, pundit and football fan.  The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 11:40, 2 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • See WP:BDP: "Generally, this policy does not apply to material concerning people who are confirmed dead by reliable sources. The only exception would be for people who have recently died, in which case the policy can extend for an indeterminate period beyond the date of death—six months, one year, two years at the outside."Bloom6132 (talk) 20:32, 2 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: G. Gordon Liddy

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Article: G. Gordon Liddy (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): WaPo
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Nominator's comments: Chief figure in the Watergate break-in (other than Nixon). Sentenced to 20 years, which was later commuted to eight by President Carter in an act of goodwill. Later went on to be an actor. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 00:04, 31 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support I have added a single CN tag but otherwise the article is vastly improved and IMO meets the customary standards. Marking as ready. -Ad Orientem (talk) 22:27, 31 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

March 29

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(Posted) RD: Gianluigi Colalucci

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Article: Gianluigi Colalucci (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): RTÉ Vatican News
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Nominator's comments: Master Restorer and academic who led the restoration works of the Sistine Chapel starting in the 1980's, personally working on some of the most influential and famous paintings in history. He seems to have kept a low-profile in his life, but I've extended it past a stub. Uses x (talkcontribs) 09:36, 30 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Constantin Brodzki

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Article: Constantin Brodzki (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): RTBF; bx1.be
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Nominator's comments: Belgium-based architect. Seemed to be well cited, except for the "Realisations" section, where I could cite all but three items (and will choose have chosen to comment out the unsourced entries). Oceanh (talk) 14:20, 30 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • comment: i've placed the three entries that were commented out back into the text. also, someone possibly connected to the decedent changed the date of death without leaving a reliable source. how does wikipedia generally handle such edits? dying (talk) 06:17, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • I re-phrased the cited sentence about his death, to be more strictly according to the (last added) source, to say, "On 28 March 2021 it was reported that Brodzki had died, at the age of 96." The first source we had (bx1.de, which is cited in Deaths in 2021), said he died on monday (which is 29 March), while the RTBF source which also reports his death, is dated 28 March. Oceanh (talk) 07:38, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • support. significant sections have been rewritten. a few relevant photos have also been added, including one of one of the houses he designed, which interestingly appears to have been uploaded by either his old client or a relation just a few days ago. dying (talk) 11:28, 5 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Bobby Schmautz

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Article: Bobby Schmautz (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NHL.com
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Only announced and reported today (March 29). —Bloom6132 (talk) 09:57, 30 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Battle of Palma

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Article: Battle of Palma (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Dozens of civilians are killed and 35,000 displaced after Islamist rebels seize the city of Palma in Mozambique (Post)
News source(s): New York Times, BBC
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Nominator's comments: The wider Insurgency in Cabo Delgado has been going on for years but this seems to be a significant development. The battle for Palma started a few days ago but reporting has been limited due to accessibility - Dumelow (talk) 09:35, 29 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Not my work, I just nominated it. There were took many people in the article history for me to add to the template, but I'll go through and send credits to the major contributors - Dumelow (talk) 18:40, 29 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed – I've seen articles with three support initial votes turn out to be no consensus, and articles with three initial oppose votes get posted. This is too soon. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 22:20, 29 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Though I want to make it clear that I don't actually think this... given that it's all admins commenting and approving the article, if I haven't been on Wikipedia for 14 years, I'd think there's something suspicious about how quickly it was approved. -- Rockstone[Send me a message!] 23:06, 29 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Many admins watch this page. There’s no time requirement. We like to promote things from countries that aren’t often covered. This event is significant and it showcases the breadth of Wikipedia’s coverage. Many readers of mainstream media could be unaware of this event. Jehochman Talk 23:36, 29 March 2021 (UTC)][reply]
So, were you saying that ironically? Or were you trying to bait a reponse? Why would you say something like 'Oh, this is too short. Boo!' and then recant your statement? (Not mad at you, by the way. I was just wondering why you did it.) Fakescientist8000 (talk) 23:49, 29 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
What does that statement have to do with my statement that this was approved too quickly? I know there is no time requirement, but there was no time for anyone to contest the posting of the blurb, either. The time requirement should at least demonstrate the formation of consensus, right? -- Rockstone[Send me a message!] 02:20, 30 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Again, why are you saying that you think this article was posted too fast but then later stating that you don't actually think this?--WaltCip-(talk) 13:01, 31 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I do think the article was posted too quick, but I do not think that there's anything suspicious about why it was posted as quickly as it was -- Rockstone[Send me a message!] 09:24, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Post-posting support Article is in good shape; thorough coverage of event. SpencerT•C 23:55, 29 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Post-posting support Almost all of the sources are in English, which indicates the international importance of this event. Well cited. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 08:47, 30 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Post-posting comment – Certainly ITN/significant, but I'm a bit uneasy with the beginning of the article, which says, "The Battle of Palma is an ongoing conflict." That raises the question, why isn't it in Ongoing? Perhaps change article to "a continuing conflict" – ?? — Sca (talk) 14:24, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Liu Kai-chi

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Article: Liu Kai-chi (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): SCMP; The Straits Times
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Hong Kong supporting actor. Article looks well cited but needs more work in the Career section. Yeeno (talk) 🍁 04:10, 29 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Filmography section is way too long. Maybe you should make a new article for it? It would be much appreciated, or maybe just shorten it. Fakescientist8000 (talk) 14:26, 29 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I've split the filmography off to Liu Kai-chi filmography. Yeeno (talk) 🍁 18:38, 29 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Very well. I change my vote to a Support respetively. Fakescientist8000 (talk) 19:34, 29 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I added some additional information here and there and a small paragraph on his awards; I'll add more to that one later on. Yeeno (talk) 🍁 20:50, 29 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Bibian Mentel

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Article: Bibian Mentel (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [1]
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Nominator's comments: Dutch para-snowboarding athlete and motivational speaker. Survived cancer 15 times.

March 28

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(Posted) RD: Malcolm Cecil

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Article: Malcolm Cecil (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Los Angeles Times; Rolling Stone; Billboard
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 Bloom6132 (talk) 10:15, 2 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Weak oppose for now - Long enough and well referenced, but I do see from his obits that his main claim to fame, and somethign that made him "revolutionary",[2] is being co-creator of TONTO, which as far as I can gather (including from our own article on the subject) was the first and to this day the largest analog synthesizer. TONTO is mentioned, but I don't get the sense from the article that what Cecil did was revolutionary.  — Amakuru (talk) 10:30, 2 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Charles Hill (diplomat)

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Article: Charles Hill (diplomat) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Yale University; The Washington Post
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Nominator's comments: Only announced and reported today (March 28). —Bloom6132 (talk) 03:03, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Blurb) RD: Didier Ratsiraka

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Article: Didier Ratsiraka (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  Former President of Madagascar Didier Ratsiraka (pictured) dies at the age of 84. (Post)
News source(s): Africanews, RFI
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Nominator's comments: Longest-serving President of MadagascarJoofjoof (talk) 20:10, 29 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Unless there's a better picture we can use (I'm not saying there isn't, but I couldn't find one on Commons at least), that issue can't be solved. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 23:55, 29 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I managed to find a larger image on Commons - it had not been categorized. Joofjoof (talk) 01:04, 30 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Good job! Pinging Fakescientist8000 now that this has been fixed. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 02:28, 30 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) RD: Joseph Edward Duncan

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Article: Joseph Edward Duncan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NBC Los Angeles; Los Angeles Times; The Spokesman-Review; Associated Press
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Nominator's comments: Infamous serial killer formerly on death row. Died from brain cancer. Inexpiable (talk) 22:41, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

March 27

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(Posted) RD: Petr Kellner

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Article: Petr Kellner (talk · history · tag)
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Nominator's comments: Czech businessman, died in a helicopter crash. Mostly fine, some references need fixing. --Tone 11:27, 29 March 2021 (UTC) Tone 11:27, 29 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Leon Hale

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Article: Leon Hale (talk · history · tag)
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News source(s): Houston Chronicle; KTRK-TV (ABC)
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 Bloom6132 (talk) 09:10, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Howard Schnellenberger

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Article: Howard Schnellenberger (talk · history · tag)
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News source(s): ESPN CNN The Washington Post
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Nominator's comments: longtime coach of American football at both the collegiate and professional levels. Dmoore5556 (talk) 01:29, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Venezuelan clashes

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Article: 2021 Apure clashes (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Clashes in the Apure border state between Colombian FARC dissidents and the Venezuelan Armed Forces cause at least twelve casualties and 6,000 displaced Venezuelans (Post)
News source(s): Al Jazeera Bloomberg Swissinfo
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Nominator's comments: These types of clashes, lasting more than a day and causing forced displacement, are uncommon despite the current crisis, as well as after the Colombian peace process. There are also concerns that other five deaths consist in extrajudicial kilings; I've decided not to include in the blurb to keep it as neutral as possible, but the reported human right violations are noteworthy. NoonIcarus (talk) 00:43, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

But there's nothing stopping someone from nominting it, is there? I would understand the rationale if the article had already been rejected, but this is not currently the case. Besides, context is also important: the bar for events that are commonplace is understandably higher, which is the case for insurgency in the Middle East (and taking a look at the Insurgency in Cabo Delgado article's timeline, the same appears to have here). On the other hand, these type of attacks from Colombia have been uncommon for years and some aspects are unprecedented, such as the use of landmines. --NoonIcarus (talk) 01:37, 29 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Gotitbro: How come? How could this be fixed? --NoonIcarus (talk) 11:03, 31 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I am only asking and putting a point forward here, because 8 killed in a major ongoing conflict probably can do without a blurb. Though if this escalates or tensions continue it can be added to Ongoing. Gotitbro (talk) 11:08, 31 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Gotitbro: Oh, gotcha. It isn't as major as unprecedented, this is the first type of conflict that undergoes for several days and cause thousands of displacements, let alone in Venezuelan territory. I don't have problems nominating this as an ongoing article, but I wanted to have a blurb first considering the estimates. I have updated the blurb as of this date. --NoonIcarus (talk) 20:28, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Myanmar protests

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Article: 2021 Myanmar protests (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Myanmar government forces kill at least 114 civilians in the bloodiest day of the 2021 protests against the Myanmar coup d'état. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In Myanmar, at least 107 are killed on the Myanmar Armed Forces Day during protests and conflicts with ethnic military groups following the Myanmar coup d'état.
News source(s): United Nations, NPR, CNN, Fox News, AP
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Nominator's comments: Made world headlines today, significant record in death count. Previous uptick to 38 in a single day was posted. Osunpokeh (talk) 18:42, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment The CNN and Fox News sources above say 91 on this single day rather than 114. This should be sorted out. Brandmeistertalk 19:15, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    @Brandmeister They just need to be updated. Both are using Myanmar Now as a reference, but the Reuters article updated 40 minutes ago does the same and they're giving the 114 number. Uses x (talkcontribs) 19:37, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Ok, I see. Brandmeistertalk 19:54, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose article is overly WP:DETAILed cherry picked POV proseline trash that's been festering in "Ongoing" for months. The death toll is utterly arbitrary. Article makes no mentioned of the 100s of prisoners released because it doesn't fit with the hysteria. Posting this would bump the first female president of Tanzania which is infinitely more consequential than this minor flare up in news coverage. --LaserLegs (talk) 19:17, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    @LaserLegs if there's an issue, you're free to fix it. That's what Wikipedia is all about. When I've added information about an arrest and the person is later released, I add the release. And besides, I think coverage of someone being arrested is more important than them being released, especially if they weren't arrested for cause in the first place. Uses x (talkcontribs) 19:31, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm WP:NOTREQUIRED to fix that article, I try to avoid POV laden articles until long after the outrage has subsided, and I honestly don't care about the subject at all. What I do care about is the quality of what ITN features on the main page and while I know better than to try and crowbar this trash out of the Ongoing section, that doesn't mean it's in any state to be featured in a blurb especially for something as inconsequential as some death toll milestone. --LaserLegs (talk) 19:57, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    We disagree on the article quality, and we're not going to change each other's minds on that, but "I honestly don't care about the subject at all" sounds like the reason for you thinking it's inconsequential. It's headline news in every newspaper and news site I can think of, so it's hardly just some "minor flare up", and a ten-fold death count to what's normally posted in ITN. It's also never received an ITN blurb, so it's not as if there's overexposure. Anyway, we won't change each other's minds so I'll leave it at that. Uses x (talkcontribs) 20:12, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    It got a blurb when the uprising started, and it's been festering in ongoing ever since. --LaserLegs (talk) 20:19, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment @Osunpokeh: It's not just civilians that were killed. I've created a section on it; there's also conflict between the military and the ethnic armies. See: 2021_Myanmar_protests#Armed_Forces_Day. I recommend changing the blurb to not say "civilians", and changing the nomination to link to that dedicated section. Uses x (talkcontribs) 19:21, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    I've added a correct altblurb. Uses x (talkcontribs) 21:34, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I feel the article needs a bit of help on dates/timeline via headers as I was struggling to find where this event was addressed. I think this would be reasonable to have as ITN but I do think it needs to be clear to the reader what section is the news story. --Masem (t) 20:16, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    @Masem I've done a bunch of re-organization to the article, and it's much clearer now. Uses x (talkcontribs) 21:17, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose: this is already, rightly, in "Ongoing", but this particular event does not fundamentally change the nature of the protests or government response, just the size/severity, so I don't support mentioning. — Bilorv (talk) 20:32, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    @Bilorv Ethnic military groups are now involved, including a raid by one on a military outpost (killing ten) and a subsequent airstrike on that group's village. I've added an altblurb, and I'd like to hear your thought on this. Uses x (talkcontribs) 21:36, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Perhaps I should have given examples of what a fundamental change might be (in general, not saying any of these make sense for Myanmar specifically): a government acceeding to a most major demand of protesters; an additional party joining the conflict (such as a state invading a region); protesters occupying a legislature or a legislature's suspension. A raid and an airstrike are not of that nature, and though I'm struggling to evaluate what change has occurred in the military group makeup, I don't see that it would count either. — Bilorv (talk) 21:46, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - Not again please. STSC (talk) 20:57, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose and SNOW close - part of ongoing already. Albertaont (talk) 23:47, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support since this is clearly a huge death toll and the highest since the protests have started. The article can be removed from the ongoing section and be replaced with a blurb, if that's an issue, without prejudice of returing to the previous version after the blurb is removed. --NoonIcarus (talk) 00:18, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Already in Ongoing, which is a better place for it. P-K3 (talk) 17:25, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support a notable development. It involves more deaths than the Rohingya refugee camp fire. Already being in ongoing isn't a big deal - it can be removed from ongoing while it is a blurb, and then reinserted to ongoing afterwards. Banedon (talk) 02:07, 29 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Already in Ongoing. I considered nominating it for removal last Friday, because the updates were sparse (a few paras in the last week concerning events from weeks ago). This new development is merely fulfilling the continuously updated portion of the Ongoing criteria; there's no need to feature one update in two different places of the Front Page.130.233.213.199 (talk) 05:20, 29 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Already in Ongoing. Cherry picked POV and indeed overly detailed. Hope we do not have to discuss this now every weekend. Death toll arbitrary, Myanmar Now as a final source...well. CommanderWaterford (talk) 09:48, 30 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose WP:SNOW closure, cherrypicked and overdone. Next! Fakescientist8000 (talk) 16:51, 30 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Per above, covered by ongoing. Gotitbro (talk) 03:47, 31 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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2021 Bangladesh anti-Modi protests

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Article: 2021 Bangladesh anti-Modi protests (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In Bangladesh, at least 4 people are killed in protests against Narendra Modi's official visit. (Post)
News source(s): Al Jazeera Deutsche Welle SCMP
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Nominator's comments: Sad turn of events and an international embarrassment for the visiting dignitary. Depressed Desi (talk) 04:57, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose for now. There appears to be a lot of bias in the article. For example, it says "This resulted in stone pelting from both sides", then when you go to the citation it only makes mention of protestors throwing stones at police. The selection of citations is also biased, with the sole citation on one part titled "Modi is not welcome in Dhaka: rally". You also need to state the police side of it since that information is out (accusations of vandalism, self-defence, etc); you don't need to believe it, you just need to state it. Uses x (talkcontribs) 16:55, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per @Uses x's stance. Fakescientist8000 (talk) 20:29, 29 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I don't personally feel qualified enough in the subject matter to assess whether or not the article is still biased; however, it's been a few days and some of the concerns highlighted by Uses x appear to have been resolved. The article is currently nearing 25,000 bytes, and something should be done with this. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 23:25, 2 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    The protests are over now according to the article, and the most recent articles I can find were posted 3 days ago, so it's stale. The tags I had placed on the 28th haven't been fixed anyway so I still wouldn't give my support, which is a shame since I agree it had potential. Uses x (talkcontribs) 23:37, 2 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Nabindra Raj Joshi

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Article: Nabindra Raj Joshi (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
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Nominator's comments: Will take some time and effort. Okay, I'm done; I don't think I can squeeze more out of the available sources. Would some one please take a look? Thanks! Usedtobecool ☎️ 15:15, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Joe Cunningham (baseball)

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Article: Joe Cunningham (baseball) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): MLB.com; Associated Press; St. Louis Post-Dispatch
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Nominator's comments: Only announced and reported today (March 26). —Bloom6132 (talk) 02:33, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Mike Bell

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Article: Mike Bell (third baseman) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ESPN
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Nominator's comments: It's not close yet, but I'll get it there by tomorrow. It's short, but complete. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:01, 26 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Beverly Cleary

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Article: Beverly Cleary (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Washington Post
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Nominator's comments: Beloved children's author. UncomfortablySmug (talk) 21:24, 26 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I would wonder if she was well known outside of the US. 331dot (talk) 00:30, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with that, and I don't see the Vital Article scale as that relevant either. P-K3 (talk) 01:31, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Alba Party

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Article: Alba Party (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Alex Salmond (pictured) launches the new pro-independence Alba Party, which will participate in the 2021 Scottish Parliament election. (Post)
News source(s): BBC News Online
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 Mjroots (talk) 14:55, 26 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose local politics. The formation of a party that's done nothing to date isn't notable. Uses x (talk{{reply to|Uses x}}contribs) 15:36, 26 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Snowpose Nowhere near important enough on a wide-enough scale for inclusion on the front page. doktorb wordsdeeds 16:50, 26 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong oppose and suggest WP:SNOW closure. ITN doesn't post leadership changes of major national political parties, let alone a schism in a regional party. We won't publish the results of the Scottish election either, as it's sub-national. Modest Genius talk 17:34, 26 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) Sohag train collision

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Article: Sohag train collision (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A train collision near Sohag, Egypt, kills at least 32 19 people. (Post)
News source(s): Jerusalem Post, Reuters, dpa (new), AP, BBC
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Nominator's comments: Disaster stub, bound to grow. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 12:02, 26 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - article in good enough shape to post now. Mjroots (talk) 06:58, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment – According to this RS report, on Saturday Egyptian Health Minister Hala Zyed revised the death toll down to 19. – Sca (talk) 12:47, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - only 1800 page views; I don't think this is of sufficient interest to readers to post at ITN. It's only been a day, though, so my !vote would change if the next day's page views spiked. Levivich harass/hound 15:25, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • We do not cater to reader views at ITN or WP in general - otherwise we'd transition to covering primarily celebrity news, Pokemon, and other more trivial nonsense. We're not a newspaper and not meant to be used as a news source, but instead ITN is meant to highlight stories that are in the news (that are otherwise not routine) and that we have quality articles for, ideally as to potentially to draw more readers to see that. --Masem (t) 15:28, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      Actually, we do cater to readers at ITN and Wikipedia in general. The purpose of ITN is to help readers find the articles about topics in the news that they're interested in; it says so right at WP:ITN. A lack of page views demonstrates a lack of reader interest. ITN is not for highlighting stories for the purpose of drawing more readers. It is not a tool to drive the news cycle, and editors shouldn't use it as such. "Wikipedia should follow, not lead." Levivich harass/hound 15:42, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      • "The Egyptian government's statistics have recorded nearly 11,000 accidents on rail lines between 2008 and 2017, including a high of 1,793 in 2017." Yet no one is here shrieking that rail accidents are routine in Egypt. No one is making sarcastic comments like "The pope is Catholic. Trains crash in Egypt" and no one is posting snide French language "good jobs" after those sarcastic comments. It is 60% filler, very light on actual details, follows the template precisely, will be stagnant in a few weeks and unchanged for years just like all the rest and you can no more stop it from being posted than you can stop the sun from rising in the east. Just go with it, it's easier. --LaserLegs (talk) 17:46, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
        One of the ITN reasons is to help readers find news stories they may be searching for but it is not the only reason. And one reason for ITN is to highlight stories that may not be top-of-the-fold news stories but are still in the news that have quality articles to draw more readers. This is why we are very selective about what stories we post. --Masem (t) 20:01, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Added some additional material regarding international response, et cetera. Article looks somewhat better now. --Osunpokeh (talk) 18:11, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support - it's notable enough & the article is sufficient. There's no minimum number of readers to qualify for posting. Had this happened in the West, it would have been posted.[citation needed] Jim Michael (talk) 18:45, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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(Attention needed) RD: Haseena Moin

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Article: Haseena Moin (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): tribune.com.pk
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Nominator's comments: Pakistani dramatist, playwright and scriptwriter. A few sections need inline citations, and a large filmography might be challenging regarding proper sourcing. Oceanh (talk) 06:44, 26 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Kamalesh Chandra Chakrabarty

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Article: Kamalesh Chandra Chakrabarty (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): MoneyControl (India)
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Indian Banker. News just breaking. Article requires some effort in building out. Not ready for homepage / RD as of yet. However, obituaries should start appearing soon with good amount of content to add to the article. Edits and content expansion done. Article has shaped to a decent C-class biography. Meets hygiene expectations for homepage / RD. Ktin (talk) 04:08, 26 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) RD: Rais Abin

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Article: Rais Abin (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Running text at VECONAC website
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Nominator's comments: Lieutenant General in the Indonesian Army. Spencer could you take a look at this and see if this is adequate? --Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 15:24, 29 March 2021 (UTC) Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 09:49, 29 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

RD: WAG Pinto

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Article: WAG Pinto (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Hindustan Times
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Nominator's comments: Lieutenant General in the Indian Army. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 03:28, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment A nice article. Some CNs added to Post-war Career. What's the MOS for this? Can someone confirm that "WAG" is his actual COMMONNAME in Indian RSs, and how should acronyms-as-names be treated?130.233.213.199 (talk) 05:30, 29 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Larry McMurtry

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Article: Larry McMurtry (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): New York Times
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Nominator's comments: Lists are in need of citations. rawmustard (talk) 16:44, 26 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Stan Albeck

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Article: Stan Albeck (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): San Antonio Express-News; Associated Press
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 Bloom6132 (talk) 10:59, 26 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Bertrand Tavernier

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Article: Bertrand Tavernier (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Deadline Hollywood, The Guardian, Le Figaro, El País
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Nominator's comments: French filmmaker. 79. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 06:57, 26 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Bobby Brown (third baseman)

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Article: Bobby Brown (third baseman) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): MLB.com; The Dallas Morning News; Associated Press
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(Closed) Tornado outbreak of March 24–25, 2021

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Article: Tornado outbreak of March 24–25, 2021 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Five people are killed in an ongoing tornado outbreak in the Southeastern United States. (Post)
News source(s): (Washington Post), (CNN)
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Nominator's comments: Major tornado outbreak that is ongoing. Since it will end in a few hours, I did not nominate it for the on-going section. Blurb can be updated once it is officially over. Just about ever English news has this as a top headline. If you are concerned about the timing of the nomination do an !vote of wait. Don't say oppose unless you believe it isn't ITN worthy. Elijahandskip (talk) 01:50, 26 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Seems like a normal weather event  Nixinova T  C   03:38, 26 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • For what it's worth, the Georgia voting law is above the tornadoes on every American news outlet I've checked. So it's not exactly the "top headline." Mlb96 (talk) 03:45, 26 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose It's tornado season in the US. There will be such outbreaks and small numbers of death with most of these, and this is thus "routine" in that sense. (that's assuming there's no further late-breaking storms that drastically increase that death toll) --Masem (t) 04:02, 26 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose Unless you're trying to doomcast a tornado to cause a ton of damage and kill a lot of people within the next couple of hours, I don't see why this article should be posted in this current state. Nova Crystallis (Talk) 05:10, 26 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Actually maybe. A major tornado just hit Newnan Alabama. Debris was hitting as far north as Atlanta, far enough away that the TV meteorologists were shocked by it. Outbreak not over yet. Elijahandskip (talk) 05:29, 26 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
If you knew what you're sending to ITN, you would've known this was in Georgia, not Alabama. Anyway, the storm's over and it seems to not have caused no more fatalities than yesterday. Nova Crystallis (Talk) 13:42, 26 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Uta Ranke-Heinemann

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Article: Uta Ranke-Heinemann (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Süddeutsche Zeitung (German)
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Nominator's comments: German theologian, first female doctorate in Catholic theology, daughter of former German president Gustav Heinemann. Article updated, short but seems sufficiently sourced. SoWhy 12:01, 25 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Die allerhöchste Autoritätin.Sca (talk) 18:27, 25 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
That's cute ;) - ok, I think it works now, - still not the greatest but major aspects covered. Perhaps we'll have more sources tomorrow. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:45, 25 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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RD: Morris Dickstein

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Article: Morris Dickstein (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYT
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Nominator's comments: Preeminent American scholar and literary critic. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 03:12, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Don Heffington

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Article: Don Heffington (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): LA Times
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Nominator's comments: American roots rock drummer. Played with Lone Justice and Watkins Family HourAllegedlyHuman (talk) 07:26, 26 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Finian's Rainbow

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Article: Finian's Rainbow (horse) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Racing Post
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Nominator's comments: Racehorse. Died of colicAllegedlyHuman (talk) 07:03, 26 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Jessica Walter

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Article: Jessica Walter (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Deadline Hollywood
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Nominator's comments: Best known as Lucille Bluth on Arrested Development. Usual problems in sourcing of mid-tier Hollywood actors. Masem (t) 19:38, 25 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • comment: there are no longer any citation needed tags in the main body of the text, though i am not sure if the filmography needs to be thoroughly cited. dying (talk) 23:22, 25 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose Needs SAG award and filmography references. Removing cn tags doesn't mean they don't still apply. Kingsif (talk) 16:05, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    i couldn't find the removed citation needed tags that you were referring to, although my history search was admittedly not very thorough.[a] feel free to add them to where you think they'd be appropriate.[b] i also added some sources for the screen actors guild awards. also, while i was finding sources for the film credits, another editor moved the filmography to a separate article, so i suppose my earlier point regarding the filmography is now moot. dying (talk) 07:42, 30 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Notes

  1. ^ i removed some tags myself, but had replaced them with citations, so i'm assuming you weren't referring to those edits.
  2. ^ i'm not sure what the standard for the tag is nowadays, and had only wished to state that at least the tags that were there when i came across the article had been replaced with citations, and not that the article did not need any more citations.

(Closed) Abolition of capital punishment in Virginia

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Article: Capital punishment in Virginia (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Virginia becomes the first southern state to abolish capital punishment. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ After executing over 1,700 people, Virginia becomes the 23rd state to abolish the death penalty, and the first Southern state to do so.
Alternative blurb II: ​ In the U.S., the state of Virginia becomes the first Southern state to abolish the death penalty, after making a record number 1,700 executions.
News source(s): The Washington Post, BBC News, CNN
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Article updated
Nominator's comments: Big event for the USA; Virginia is the state with the most executions and the first southern state to abolish the death penalty, showing it's decline in the United States and changes in opinion. Inexpiable (talk) 22:45, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment good faith nom but it's almost certainly doomed. VA has been bluing for some time now it's hardly a surprise that the Democrats 86'd the death penalty. ITN has a certain aversion to "US-centric" stories, and I doubt the 23rd of anything is going to get posted around here. Good news for VA though. Just don't get discouraged when this is snow closed in an hour. --LaserLegs (talk) 23:17, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yes, thanks for your interest in ITN but this has no chance of being posted. As LaserLegs says, Virginia is a rare Southern state that is now pretty solidly blue so it's not really a surprise. P-K3 (talk) 23:23, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I wouldn't necessarily think so. This is a huge event; as stated by the nominator, it shows that the death penalty is declining in the U.S. This won't get closed, I'm afraid. KingOfAllThings (thou shalt chatter!) 23:26, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Bob Plager

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Article: Bob Plager (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Post-Dispatch
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Nominator's comments: St. Louis Blues hockey legend. Car crash. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 21:41, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment Early career section has some uncited information. I added one tag for now. I'm pretty busy right now so I don't have the time to look up any citations for Plager. INeedSupport 😷 00:31, 25 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Suez Canal obstruction

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Articles: 2021 Suez Canal obstruction (talk · history · tag) and Ever Given (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Suez Canal, the world's busiest shipping route, is blocked by a cargo ship that ran aground. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The Suez Canal is blocked by a cargo ship that ran aground, resulting in a traffic jam of at least 150 vessels.
News source(s): CNN, Al Jazeera, Al Jazeera 2, The Telegraph, CBC, Guardian, dpa, AP The New York Times
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Nominator's comments: Unusual and unprecedented, with worldwide impact on shipping and worldwide news coverage. 142.114.203.221 (talk) 15:33, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: a new article March 2021 Suez Canal obstruction has now been created. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:33, 25 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
It is unusable. – Sca (talk) 17:19, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Could be used in a "try-and-guess-what-this-is" pub-quiz round? Martinevans123 (talk) 17:26, 24 March 2021 (UTC) [reply]
Ship blocking a waterway viewed from space might've been my first guess. But without a Neuralyzer we'll never know. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 17:31, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Oppose for now. The update is too short (people clicking want to read into it), and until stated in the article I'm going to assume it has a limited impact. Uses x (talk) 17:10, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    The update has been expanded, but it appears this won't have a major impact if it's resolved. Multiple sources are trying to WP:CRYSTALBALL this, while right now there appears to be very little impact. We can wait until then to see. Uses x (talk) 15:44, 25 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    It's looking more likely that this will go on for weeks, so I've changed to support. It's a good story, it's certainly in the news, the article is fine, and even if a lot of the damage can be mitigated with existing stocks and sourcing goods from elsewhere, what damage there will be is still huge. Uses x (talk) 16:08, 25 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait Reading the CNN article, it is a matter if it takes too long to dislodge it that it might impact oil shipping which will impact prices. Otherwise, the way its being discussed, its an inconvenienced to a lot of people but no one's lives are threatened yet. --Masem (t) 17:12, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • Also there is an aspect of WP:BLP1E here to the ship article, even though its not a BLP. If the only thing it is really noted for is that it blocked the canal, it really doesn't need a separate article, it should be a section in the canal's article (and that's if this is a significant event in the first place per NEVENT). Again, NOT#NEWS and all that. --Masem (t) 17:14, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • Changing to Support in that it is clear this won't be done in a few days. They have to remove the cargo and whether that can be done in days or weeks is of a question, but its already starting to hit financial markets. But it was appropriate to wait to make sure it was a long-term problem. --Masem (t) 14:06, 25 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait – Several reports indicated the Ever Given was in the process of being refloated/moved. [6] [7]Sca (talk) 17:16, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
It could be blocked only a few days, how long is the average leg? Asia to Europe? Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 17:27, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I hear they're planning to pump millions of gallons of castor oil into the canal at its southern end. – Sca (talk) 17:30, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Article says this is a rare monochannel section. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 17:32, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Yes: "Although there is an older section of the canal which could have helped bypass an obstruction, this particular incident happened in a section of the canal with only one channel." Martinevans123 (talk) 18:52, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The new standalone article is fine, the economic impact is real, the item is in the news. --LaserLegs (talk) 11:53, 25 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Aber natürlich.Sca (talk) 16:25, 25 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
So, do we get to use that image of the "world's biggest wedgie"? Martinevans123 (talk) 17:01, 25 March 2021 (UTC) [reply]
Roll 'em. – Sca (talk) 16:48, 25 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Hamdan bin Rashid Al Maktoum

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Article: Hamdan bin Rashid Al Maktoum (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Khaleej Times
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Nominator's comments: Deputy Ruler of Dubai and Minister of Finance. Sourcing issues. Sherenk1 (talk) 06:51, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: George Segal

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Article: George Segal (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Hollywood Reporter
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Nominator's comments: Comedic actor and musician. Played Pops on The GoldbergsUncomfortablySmug (talk) 01:04, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Withdrawn) Cabinet of Joe Biden

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Article: Cabinet of Joe Biden (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Cabinet of Joe Biden completed with the swearing in of Marty Walsh as Secretary of Labor. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Marty Walsh sworn in as United States Secretary of Labor, completing the Cabinet of Joe Biden.
News source(s): link1 link2 link3
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Nominator's comments: U.S. federal government Dmoore5556 (talk) 06:12, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Routine government activities. There is a small amount of significance in that Biden is the first president since Reagan to have all his cabinet positions filled on the first try(Neera Tanden was a cabinet-level nomination, not the cabinet itself), but that would only be significant if this was USApedia, which it isn't. 331dot (talk) 06:18, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Dmoore5556 Your nominations are appreciated- I would gently suggest that you keep in mind that this is a global website and perhaps consider if you would make the nomination if it was related to a different country(like UK/French/Equatorial Guinea government ministries). Thanks 331dot (talk) 06:23, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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RD: William A. Gamson

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Article: William A. Gamson (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Boston College
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Nominator's comments: American sociologist, mainly focused on mass media and political movements, who nevertheless had time to pioneer fantasy baseballAllegedlyHuman (talk) 03:34, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Tony Greaves, Baron Greaves

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Article: Tony Greaves, Baron Greaves (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Lancashire Telegraph
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Nominator's comments: English politician; life peer of the House of Lords. Liberal Democrat, but notably opposed some of Menzies Campbell and Nick Clegg's reforms. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 07:21, 26 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose Limited depth of coverage at present: what did he accomplish in his various political roles? Most of the article covers his criticism of sexual harassment claimants, which is not balanced coverage of his political career. SpencerT•C 16:35, 26 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Alberto Ciurana

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Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Milenio
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Nominator's comments: Mexican TV executive. Died of COVID-19. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 07:13, 26 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: David McCabe (photographer)

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News source(s): The New York Times
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Nominator's comments: Only announced and reported today (March 23). —Bloom6132 (talk) 09:11, 25 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Julie Pomagalski

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News source(s): The Guardian, Washington Post, NY Post
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Nominator's comments: French world champion snowboarder. Saddly, the article is a stub. --SirEdimon Dimmi!!! 22:38, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Anomaly in lepton universality

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Article: LHCb experiment#Lepton flavour universality (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Physicists working on the LHCb experiment on the Large Hadron Collider at CERN, had published results that hint a possible violation of the principle of “lepton universality”, which is part of the Standard Model of particle physics. (Post)
News source(s): Physics World, Sci News, The Guardian, BBC
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Nominator's comments: LHCb announced the results today (with a "3 sigma" confidence). The results imply that there is only a 0.1% of probability that the data obtained are compatible with the Standard Model prediction. Alexcalamaro (talk) 20:11, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Yep. But it is ITN worthy, I think. There is a ‘cautious excitement’ by the results. Alexcalamaro (talk) 20:27, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Would it be better than once the results are confirmed? The BBC article is full of calls for caution, confirmation, more analysis by scientists. The research also apparently hasn't been published in a peer-reviewed journal yet, only being submitted. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 20:54, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) 2021 Boulder shooting

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Article: 2021 Boulder shooting (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A gunman has killed 10 people at a grocery market in Colorado, USA. (Post)
Alternative blurb: A mass shooting at a supermarket in Boulder, Colorado, U.S., kills ten people.
News source(s): BBC, Denver Post, Guardian, NPR
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Nominator's comments: In the news. Not sure if it will be opposed due to US shooting. Sherenk1 (talk) 04:19, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait -- we don't even know the name of the shooter, or indeed, anything about him. Details remain quite sparse. In the absence of any further evidence of motive or something which would lead us to believe that this shooting is notable in its own right, I do not think that we should post this. Should more information come out to indicate otherwise, I will change to support. -- Rockstone[Send me a message!] 05:32, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Mass shootings like this in the US are far too common, and even here, this isn't even something the possibility of a targetted hate crime as with the Atlanta spa shootings which may have merited that. --Masem (t) 05:33, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait Likely to change to oppose, unless there is something specific about motivations to attribute to. USA shootings are more common so should have a higher bar for notability. Albertaont (talk) 05:55, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
In Canada (to my knowledge), there isn't an old piece of paper that the Founders said is supreme law, with a minor clause regarding "well-regulated militias" that suddenly a few decades ago archconservatives insisted read wildly differently. In the US, there is. That's the primary barrier to the (many) people aiming for progress. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 21:17, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
107 but 10 deaths hasn't happened since 2019. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 16:50, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, another record! I suppose the "most people killed in a store" record was set today too? The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 16:55, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Most people killed in a store since the 2019 El Paso shooting on 3 Aug? Jim Michael (talk) 17:35, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait until a motive is known. This likely wasn't domestic violence or a gang beef or any of the other things that haters label a "mass shooting" but it does appear to be "demented white man with a gun" and we have a far more consequential act of terrorism in the US in the box already. --LaserLegs (talk) 10:36, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"Ahmad Alissa's identity had been known to the FBI" interesting angle, if this turns out to be terrorism it may pass the notability test --LaserLegs (talk) 20:44, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Strange comment. What do you mean by "haters"? Are you suggesting we hate mass shootings? Because that wouldn't be terribly incorrect. --WaltCip-(talk) 13:05, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Sehr amüsant.Sca (talk) 13:52, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Showcase new dedicated article of sufficient quality on notable topic in the news. Dog biting incidents are unlikely to have standalone pages, let alone national or even international coverage. Mass deaths are mass deaths, whether by shooting, car ramming, train accident, etc.—Bagumba (talk)
  • Oppose ITN's attention span to U.S. mass shootings was already scraped raw with the prior event that took place in Atlanta not even a month ago. --WaltCip-(talk) 13:10, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment – I get the feeling this is going to be a non-starter as far as ITN is concerned – but note that Boulder Police plan a news conf. at 8:30 a.m. MDT (14:30 UTC) which conceivably might offer significant new info. – Sca (talk) 13:29, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose I didn't even realise this had happened for a while; it wasn't on the BBC news website at all this morning and is now in the small "other items" sidebar, next to an article about Cineworld. Ditto The Guardian. On Sky News it's down behind the Rohingya fire (which is clearly a far more important story than this - 400 people missing - does it have an article?), Germany's COVID lockdown and Australian parliament sex videos. In La Figaro it's about the 12th story, Die Welt I can't find it at all (presumably buried in the "World News" subpage. Clearly much of the international press is treating it as routine, which I suppose in the end is not surprising. Black Kite (talk) 13:52, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Black Kite, here, and thanks. ——Serial 18:05, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Black Kite, it's literally on the front page of BBC right now. Nihlus 16:30, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support I think that this is totally deserving of a current event news. If a spa shooting killing 8 should be up here, so should a supermarket shooting killing 10. There are not a lot of coverage on news websites because it is fairly recent. there was not a lot of news coverage just after the spa shooting as well. I can guarantee that news websites will be pumping out info once they have enough time to write things about it and find out motives. EDIT- The police have released the identity of the shooter. KommanderChicken (talk) 15:03, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - This is on the front page of multiple news websites, including CNN, NYT, LATimes, etc. Yes, unfortunately this is a common occurrence in this country, but this is the second mass shooting in a week after an entire year of no mass shootings. The Boulder PD is holding a press conference as I'm typing this where they announced the gunman was charged with 10 counts of murder and read the victims' names. [17] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ppjj123 (talkcontribs) 15:10, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    @Ppjj123: what do you mean by "after an entire year of no mass shootings"? List of mass shootings in the United States in 2020 and in 2021 document several hundred. (This all in the context of a pandemic where large crowds should be as limited as possible...) — Bilorv (talk) 15:55, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Most of those hundreds are close to or at the minimum of 0 deaths 4 injuries and only 1 is above 8 deaths or 10+1 shot. Also a lot are gang fights that aren't scary to non-gangsters. Lots of American COVIDiots ignored social distancing, sure there was a lot of distancing but if you really wanted to mass shoot a crowd you could've found one. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 17:32, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
That doesn't really change anything. It's a tragedy, sure, but already this month 47 people have been killed in unrelated mass shootings throughout the US, and just being the biggest so far doesn't mean much. It's a shame I have to say this, but 10 people being shot to death in the United States really isn't notable anymore. Gex4pls (talk) 18:11, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Très amusant.Sca (talk) 15:52, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Muboshgu I'm not opposing it because it only affects the US, I'm opposing it because it's routine in the US, is always forgotten by the next week in the US, and has a low and short-term impact when it happens in the US. Uses x (talk) 15:40, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
And I hope you agree with me it's not appropriate to put every shooting on this list on ITN, else ITN will just be a list of "what US terrorist attack happened this week". I'd reconsider if there's something particularly notable about this, but that's not the case. Uses x (talk) 16:08, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Uses x, you may forget and move on, don't assume tht the rest of us do. How many of those shootings on that list have been nominated for ITN? Do you see them all getting nominated? No, they don't all have articles. The notable ones get articles, and some of them get nominated here. It's already filtered down. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:14, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Don't give me any ideas! Anyway, I've made my point and I stand by it, so I'll leave it at that. Uses x (talk) 16:16, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support It's newsworthy, covered by the big publications, and the article quality is good. It was a stub last night but has been expanded substantially. We want to feature new quality content on the ITN template. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:36, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support – in principle – Pending expansion and polishing of current article, which at 450 words is rather brief. It's not every day that someone is charged with 10 counts of premeditated murder. Given the suspect's name, something on possible motives would be appropriate, but that could take quite some time. – Sca (talk) 15:47, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose: already a recent U.S. shooting featured on ITN (even if this story would bump it). The point is not that this is the first double-digit death count since 2019, but that these sorts of incidents (mass killings in the U.S.) are routine and there's not much pattern or semantic content to individual ones of them (unlike other routine events like elections, which reflect the current mood of a country). TRM's point about statistics, I think, is that if you have a hundred possible stats to pick from ("double-digit death count", "first by a perpetrator of age range X since", "first with this type of firearm since", "first in this type of location since", "first in this state since") then every event will have something unique about it. Black Kite does some excellent analysis of how this is not front-page world news with respect to high-quality sources. — Bilorv (talk) 15:55, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - It's well written and it's in the news. High-profile US mass shootings have rarely been routine during the pandemic. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ) 16:14, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • As pointed out by TRM, this is the 107th mass shooting in the US this year, making it on the average of at least one per day. That's the very definition of routine. --Masem (t) 16:17, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      Masem, how many of those 107 have articles on Wikipedia? Differences in the shootings and their coverage are the reason some have articles and most don't. That shoots holes (pun intended) on the "definition of routine" argument. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:53, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      • See WP:MINIMUMDEATHS. Kim Kardashian also has an article and her updates make world news for passing moments, just like mass shootings in the US do. This shouldn't mean we post Kim's every routine movement. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 17:04, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
        A second question is: how many of those that have article should have articles on WP, given the weight of WP:NOT#NEWS and WP:NEVENT? We're looking at enduring coverage of these types of things, and with shootings particularly in the US, it is very iffy that many will have long-term significance. There may be something to be said for the Atlanta shootings as it is right in the middle of a large campaign fighting anti-Asian hate crimes and does appear racially motivated, but this one so far seems to have no odd motive. Sure it will be the subject of coverage for a while, but as others have pointed out, a week from now, it will likely be forgotten outside those in the local area. There is a reason we have Wikinews for people that are interested in writing on breaking news stories without worrying about notability or long term coverage. Just because something is reported in the mass media - which covers events 24/7 - doesn't mean WP has to cover it too, since we're meant to be trying to summarize history, not document it. --Masem (t) 17:08, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
        The same people saying this one will be forgotten in a week said that last one's would be forgotten in a week, too. WP:CRYSTAL balls don't work so well. Sadly, many of those 107 are routine and don't have articles because they don't meet NEVENT. This one does, clearly, and will endure. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:39, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
        Last week's major mass shooting has already disappeared off the news radar. There's no interest in it around the world at all. As for this one, it's not Covid so it's getting five minutes, but it definitely will not endure, it's of little encyclopedic value, nothing changes, the statistics testify to that, it literally is business as usual. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 19:34, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Mass protests following the Atlanta shooting – yesterday. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 21:27, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"Already disappeared off the news radar"? Are you out of your mind? Racism against Asian-Americans is one of the biggest topics in American news right now, which is entirely due to the Atlanta shooting. I know that you hate the United States, but at least stop acting like nothing that happens in the U.S. matters. Mlb96 (talk) 04:57, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I'm sure it's being obsessed over in some parts of the US, but the rest of the world has moved on. I don't hate the United States (I've even been there several times, but avoided the redneck zones...), I just pity the ongoing slaughter of tens of thousands of people every year. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 13:46, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
You seem to oppose nearly every U.S.-related nomination. For example, you opposed the Texas winter storm which was known to have killed almost 50 people when it was nominated, but you're supporting the refugee fire in Myanmar which killed 15. Mlb96 (talk) 15:40, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Another routine shooting in the U.S. with little long-term significance (the Atlanta Spa shootings at least highlighted the anti-Asian sentiment in the United States). Edit: This might be an ideologically motivated shooting according to recent updates, so crossed out my oppose. Some1 (talk) 16:23, 23 March 2021 (UTC) Some1 (talk) 17:52, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support All knee-jerk "America bad" comments should be ignored by the closing admin. We consistently post bombings and other violent acts in the Middle East, provided that they have an article, so why would this be different? Nihlus 16:26, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • That's the point really though, isn't it? People aren't opposing because it's "America bad", they're opposing because it's "America everyday normality". Black Kite (talk) 16:28, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm not fond of this callous take. The difference between everyday gun violence and mass shootings that should be posted are the extent of the coverage of the event and the availability of a well-sourced article. This article meets both. I am not sure why, but WP:ITNCRIT seems to be consistently ignored, especially when it comes to topics concerning America. Nihlus 16:40, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    "Callous"? The take is accurate and relevant. Gun crime of this nature is prevalent in the US and in almost every case barely even encyclopedic. This is tabloid fodder right now, as nothing will change, no links to terrorism have been offered, and this is not a US mass shooting ticker. The bar is high now, this kind of article really needs to be significant rather than run-of-the-mill. And however "callous" that may be, it's the sad truth. The rest of the world (and half of the US it would appear) just switches channels with "yet another" mass killing, and this is in every sense, more of the same. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 16:59, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    @Nihlus The argument is against the significance, and under significance there are two rules, one of which is "There is consensus to post the event". "Any user may, of course, support or oppose a candidate for any reason", with the rest only being guidelines for typically unpopular reasons. If the concensus here is that it's not significant because it'll quickly be forgotten, is routine, etc, then people looking at the front page of Wikipedia would probably think the same; it's all about quality control. Uses x (talk) 17:07, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose After reading the article, I can conclude that the layout suggests this will be another mass shooting that will become forgotten in the near future, as with previous ones that have been nominated in the past, it has a standard play out: shooter opens fire on an area where a lot of people gather, killing/injuring several of them in the process; police arrive, killing or arresting the perpetrator; mass confusion, hysteria, and brief mourning occurs; several top government officials (both state and federal) offer condolences; and then the event is soon forgotten with little to no further impact. As several users have noted this is not the first nor will it be the last mass shooting (unfortunately) in America this year. It fails to garner significance, other than perhaps the fact the U.S.A has a serious problem with gun violence, which is obviously known worldwide, and thus is not new in any way, shape, or form. 2600:1015:B005:39AC:7888:F97B:33C1:39C1 (talk) 16:35, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment – If it were to come out that this was an ideologically motivated crime, that would push it into the box. If that were the case, a confession might substantiate it fairly soon. Maybe. Again, still developing. – Sca (talk) 16:41, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Mass shootings are, unfortunately, quite common in the United States, but the death toll in the Boulder shooting is especially high (10). As other users have noted, this was the deadliest mass shooting in the U.S. since 2019. The Atlanta spa shootings, which are currently in ITN, caused eight deaths. - Crossover1370 (talk | contribs) 17:05, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment by routine, just saw "Around the time of the shooting, reports emerged of another armed individual in the city. Boulder Police later confirmed that this incident was unrelated." So not only is gun crime routine in the United States, it appears to be routine in Boulder on 22 March 2021. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 17:06, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Very, very unfortunately, there are millions of armed individuals in the U.S., and in some states, in rural areas it's even legal to carry a concealed handgun without a license. That doesn't mean all those packing heat are crazed killers. – Sca (talk) 19:03, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
You can carry guns like cowboy without a license in Colorado (except Denver).
 
The image of the article open carry used to be this Coloradoan
If anyone gets worried of course they'll call the police and then the guy probably feels righteously indignanted at whoever called even though he probably secretly enjoys the rise he gets out of people from carrying visible guns in the most urban place he can (some states ban county or city gun laws stricter than the statewide one). The reports might've even been of someone who carried a visible gun because of the shooting, either to get a rise out of people or "for protection" (a mass shooter would probably just shoot Cowboy from behind, he'd be Victim 1) Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 18:10, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
WP:NOTFORUM you're not discussing the nom, you're just using it as a WP:SOAPBOX to complain about gun laws in America. Move on
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This seems very WP:POINTy and personal for you. I don't need to remind you that WP:OTHERSTUFF is an argument to avoid. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 21:32, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
No. I'm afraid we continually get brow-beaten for somehow "hating on the US" or other such crap, yet it's pretty clear that posting this kind of routine shooting while other non-US attacks are just ignored demonstrates a total pro-US bias. I don't need to remind you that OTHERSTUFF is a deletion argument, not anything to do with establishing a reasonable common ground on notability for such attacks. Thanks for trying though. And please, how is it "personal"? You'll be removing that. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 21:37, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Apologies; meant to instead link WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS (for some reason we have two of the same thing, one of which only pertains to deletion discussions.) My point still stands – it's an unhelpful attitude based on harboring grudges that some editors bring into any kind of discussion (even when they themselves voted against the other stuff that does, indeed, exist). If you want more UK stuff on here, then nominate it. This nomination isn't the place to air it out. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 21:56, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
You completely miss the point I'm afraid. I'm not harbouring grudges. I asked a simple question based in statistics: 40,000 Americans are killed by firearms in the US every year, 250 Brits are killed by stabbings (we don't really have firearm deaths) so I wanted to understand the general vibe on the equivalence. I do not believe that either should be posted but if we're happy to post run-of-the-mill shootings like this which only account for (on average) 10% of one day's worth of shooting while we reject multiple stabbings (which account for 1% of the year's stabbings) in the UK with terror connections then the bias clearly isn't against US mass shootings in this context. There's nothing personal here, so you need to stop casting aspersions. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 22:03, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
you opposed the London Bridge attack. I did too. Maybe I was wrong. It happens, a lot actually, and if I was, then I'm sorry. I don't think the Reading stabbing was nominated. --LaserLegs (talk) 22:18, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Yes indeed, that's the whole bloody point, I don't support either, but... Either these are both way worthy (and Reading too, I wonder why no-one bothered nominating it then..... hmmmm....) or neither. How can one get blanket opposition and this one get even close to support? US bias. Anyway, we all knew that. Instead of wasting time here on another inconsequential US gun crime, take a look at a real tragic news story (2021 Rohingya refugee-camp fire), that's the kind of thing that warrants an article and being ITN. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 22:28, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nah, that fire is about as inconsequential as the Las Vegas country music festival shooting. The story we should be talking about but aren't is the bombing in China but the article is a 1 sentence stub and state media hasn't released enough info to expand it. --LaserLegs (talk) 22:45, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
No-one's denying that the 2017 Las Vegas shooting is very notable. No-one has nominated the 2021 Guangzhou bombing. Jim Michael (talk) 10:04, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Find some sources to back it up (like the many sources that exist re anti-Asian motive on the Atlanta shooting page), and take it to the talk page for the Boulder shooting. Otherwise, this is WP:NOTAFORUM. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 06:26, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The Atlanta shooter says he wasn't racially motivated. Where's the definitive link to terrorism or similar for this event? I don't see it. It's just a standard domestic mass shooting, a handful more victims, but otherwise very much business as usual. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 07:39, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per nom. Dmoore5556 (talk) 08:25, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support: While I am aware that mass shootings have been commonplace in the United States, the fact that it is the first major mass public shooting to reach ten deaths since August 2019 makes it quite notable. I understand their has been “mass shootings” per convention of “four deaths” even throughout the pandemic, but many of them have barely been in the news because mostly they are too small on a public scale or happen to be private. Many news outlets such as Los Angeles Times and New York Times have acknowledged that mass public shootings of this scale during the past several months have not happened. So, I feel based on these facts, this is worthy of placement on the Main Page.
--Birdienest81 (talk) 09:49, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose got to love the blatant political use of statistics in support rationale's above. "First to hit double digits since 2019!11!#!!" sounds much better than "2 more dead than the mass shooting the previous week. 3 more than September 2020". You know when you intentially phrase stats in order to big up scores about hitting double digits it comes across as you are *proud* of reaching that number right? That may not be your intent, but that is the impression it gives. Only in death does duty end (talk) 10:44, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Indeed. It's also interesting that censorship is being applied to the stats I provided relating to 40,000 gun deaths per annum in the US vs 250 knife deaths (and practically zero gun deaths) in the UK, and a consequential contextual significance. It's only gun crimes in the US which have this kind of fervent misguided "it's relevant" clamour and the usual rounds of record-breaking stats... The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 11:21, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Nothing about being "proud" of. Just deadliest US shooting in two years, sad truth to be impartially reported. Now ask yourself a question: if someone kills 30, 40 or 55 people in a US shooting, would you still type your "business as usual" or "meh, still short of 2017 Las Vegas shooting"? Brandmeistertalk 12:47, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Why are we so fixated on numbers? Surely the surrounding circumstances are more important, as was the case with the Atlanta shootings.--WaltCip-(talk) 12:59, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    It's just a blip amongst the other 39,990 people killed every year, or should we say it's just 10 out of 130 people killed that day in the US with firearms. I think you fail to see the picture we all see. And the "numbers" per se don't make it any more interesting or encyclopedic in value. Really, literally nothing has been done about these heinous crimes over the years, we should treat it like a world record and only post shootings that surpass the actual record. These shootings make headlines and fade to nothing very quickly because we all know nothing ever, ever, ever changes. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 13:44, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    You know 2/3rds of those 40,000 are suicides, suicide is not a crime. Our suicide rate is apparently only (USA! USA!) twice yours ("age-adjusted") or 14/11ths (not adjusted for UK having more elderly or something (our healthcare sucks balls)), and our murder rate (all method) is a whopping 4 times yours. You should start whaling on Scotland too cause their suicide rate is above USA. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 14:53, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
P'raps we should call it an error attack (as in synapse malfunction). – Sca (talk) 14:34, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Considering that there is close to an even split between supports and opposes, there clearly is no consensus to post. Let's close the discussion and be done with this. Mlb96 (talk) 15:45, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) Kim Janey becomes mayor of Boston

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Article: Kim Janey (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ This week, Kim Janey became the first woman and first black person to serve as mayor of Boston. (Post)
News source(s): link1 link2 link3 link4
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Nominator's comments: Every mayor of Boston, from 1822 until now, has been a white man. Dmoore5556 (talk) 04:09, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Also (being extremely technical here), it does not appear as if she formally assumes office until March 24, per the article, and thus for the next 24 hours will be "acting mayor." AllegedlyHuman (talk) 04:17, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Peng Shilu

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News source(s): China News
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Nominator's comments: Prominent Chinese nuclear engineer. His parents were killed for being Communists when he was 4; he was jailed at 8 for being their son. He got the last laugh, though, studying from the Soviets and running point on China's nuclear submarines under Mao. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 07:45, 26 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

RD: John Crichton-Stuart, 7th Marquess of Bute

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Nominator's comments: Scottish racing driver and peer, though he didn't use his title. Won the 1988 24 Hours of Le MansAllegedlyHuman (talk) 07:35, 26 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

2021 Guangzhou bombing

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Article: 2021 Guangzhou bombing (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Four people are killed and five are injured in a bombing in Guangzhou, China. (Post)
News source(s): Guardian
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Nominator's comments: Very unusual, article needs work. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 10:18, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) March 2021 Rohingya refugee-camp fire

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Article: March 2021 Rohingya refugee-camp fire (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ At least 15 people have died, over 400 injured and thousands displaced by a fire at the Rohingya refugee camp near Cox's Bazar, Bangladesh. (Post)
News source(s): BBC Washington Post Wall Street Journal The Guardian
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Article updated

Nominator's comments: Massive fire, tragically, the numbers seem only likely to increase in the near future. (Apologies for any technical errors with this nom, it's been a while.) Serial Number 54129 (talk) 18:59, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Frank Worthington

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Nominator's comments: English international footballer. Needs some work. Black Kite (talk) 10:49, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Guy Brice Parfait Kolélas

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Nominator's comments: Leading opposition candidate for yesterday's 2021 Republic of the Congo presidential election dies. Should this be an RD, or should it be part of the election result blurb? Joofjoof (talk) 22:56, 22 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Elgin Baylor

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News source(s): ESPN
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Nominator's comments: NBA star. 14 years playing with the Lakers, then 22 years managing the Clippers. 11-time All-Star. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 19:22, 22 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support Have added references. Not sure how we've done NBA player articles before with regards to sourcing stats: while the sections themselves don't have references, the first external links are to NBA/Basketball Reference pages for his career and coaching statistics. SpencerT•C 21:35, 22 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Usually put a small text 'Source:' and the citation in each section for completeness. Stephen 22:16, 22 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) RD: Robina Asti

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Nominator's comments: Transgender rights activist and world’s oldest pilot and flight instructor. Innisfree987 (talk) 05:27, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the suggestion—done. Innisfree987 (talk) 14:54, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Niger attacks

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Article: 2021 Niger attacks (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ At least 137 people are killed in suspected ISIL raids in Tahoua Region, Niger. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In a continuation of recent violence, over 137 people are killed by suspected ISIL militants in Tahoua Region, Niger.
News source(s): Al Jazeera
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Article updated

Nominator's comments: Many thanks to everyone who made and updated the page! I think it should be ready for ITN and subject matter is clearly notable. Dan the Animator 21:37, 22 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I've added another sentence using details from the article, but the update is still on the short side. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 04:45, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Muchtar Pakpahan

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Nominator's comments: Labor activist and politician. --61.94.66.18 (talk) 13:35, 22 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Uses x: which yellow template, which dead link, and which unreferenced large sections. please help. thank you. --61.94.66.18 (talk) 14:15, 22 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
It appears your edits had been reverted as they didn't include a summary, but you've sorted those problems out so I've retracted the oppose. I can't verify the citations myself as most appear to be subscriber-only, so I can't give my support right now. Uses x (talk) 14:37, 22 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Budge Wilson

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Nominator's comments: Only announced and reported today (March 21). —Bloom6132 (talk) 10:57, 22 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Adam Zagajewski

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Nominator's comments: Prominent Polish poet, known for his writings on 9/11. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 01:36, 22 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  Done Grimes2 (talk) 09:17, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Nawal El Saadawi

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News source(s): Arab News, NYT
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Nominator's comments: Egyptian feminist and novelist. Known as "the Simone de Beauvoir of the Arab world." AllegedlyHuman (talk) 20:16, 21 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Added refs. Vacant0 (talk) 20:35, 21 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: Selected sources (outside of the works published online) is blanket-referenced by myAfrica. That page says, "myAfrica is an open resource. Most profiles, such as this one, are editable by logged in users" and thus doesn't look like a reliable source. Otherwise article has good depth of coverage. SpencerT•C 23:53, 21 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) RD: Else Hammerich

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News source(s): dr.dk
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Nominator's comments: Danish politician, member of the European Parliament for ten years. One problematic url (citing 4 sentences, the url links to a subpage which apparantly no longer exists but redirects to an irrelevant "homepage"). Article is a bit short and could need some expansion. Oceanh (talk) 08:40, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Admin attention requested) RD: José Baselga

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Nominator's comments: Great Spanish medical oncologist, current head of research and development in oncology of AstraZeneca. The article seems pretty ready. Alsoriano97 (talk) 20:18, 21 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Yevgeny Nesterenko

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Article: Yevgeny Nesterenko (talk · history · tag)
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News source(s): regnum.ru
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Nominator's comments: Great Russian operatic bass at his time, international known and performing, especially as Boris Godunov. Most of the article was there, but no inline citations. - I need a break now. Help? Someone who reads Russian? Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:13, 21 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • comment: i lack the experience to determine the seriousness of this, but significant sections of the first edit of this article, dated 2008, appear to closely paraphrase or outright copy sections of either its listed english.pravda.ru reference, dated 2003, or its listed vor.ru reference, dated 2002. although the intervening edits do not appear to be similarly problematic, much of the structure and diction of the two older sources still appear to remain in the current version of the page. Gerda Arendt, unfortunately, this may explain the lack of inline citations, as the sections that lack them appear to be surviving passages from the first edit, which contained no inline citations, but simply listed the two references used at the end. dying (talk) 01:27, 22 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    In the old days, before I was even here, articles were written differently. He died now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:23, 22 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    understood. back then, it seemed like everyone had varying standards regarding what was considered acceptable paraphrasing, and as a result, many editors effectively turned a blind eye to things that were clearly taken from other sources and had only minimal paraphrasing.[a] this article, created in 2008, was probably a decent article back then since it actually listed two sources, and i can't claim that i always cited sources myself back then.[b]
    i discovered the close paraphrasing when i was working on this article and was trying to add the proper inline citations, per your request.[c] because, in the intervening years since the article was first created, we appear to have developed some ideas about close paraphrasing, and because i don't have much experience on where our (possibly vague) line is drawn nowadays, i did not think it was appropriate for me to just slap on some inline citations and consider the job done. however, in the case that the wording is unacceptably close to the original, i also don't know how we currently deal with unacceptably close paraphrasing. if standard operating procedure is to wipe the offending sections and start anew, i didn't want my efforts to be wasted if they would be deleted shortly anyway, and was hoping for guidance regarding this issue.
    to be clear, i support the eventual posting of this article, if we can get the quality of the article up to standard. if we are going to link to this article from the front page, i am assuming that it should follow our current viewpoints regarding plagiarism, and if i were to be the one adding the inline citations, i am assuming that it would be my implicit responsibility to make sure that the sections i am adding a citation to are properly vetted.
    ultimately, if Nesterenko was a great man, i want him to have a great article. dying (talk) 12:45, 22 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    I rephrased some, and if you still think something is too close, please be bold and rephrase. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:31, 22 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    post-posting comment: as guidance regarding wikipedia's current stance on copyrights doesn't seem to be forthcoming anytime soon, i've taken the liberty of doing a complete rewrite of the main text of the article, in order to leave no doubt as to the provenance of the wording used.[d] i've turned some of the prose into lists in order to make it even more clear that the original structure of the sources is no longer being used. by adhering to wp:factsonly when rewriting the questionable passages, i hope copyright issues will no longer be in play. i also added some information about nesterenko's life before his career so that the article would read less like a curriculum vitae, which the original two sources essentially were. if anyone feels that the article was in a better state before, or that the rewrite was perhaps a move too bold, feel free to revert it or replace sections that you feel were of a better quality before.
    i apologize in advance to anyone whose contributions may have been misinterpreted by me when i was rewriting the text, and to anyone who believes that their pertinent contributions have been dropped. feel free to correct the text or to add your contributions back in. also, apologies for not posting the rewrite sooner; i was still working on it when the article was posted to rd. dying (talk) 08:28, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted to RD. TJMSmith (talk) 03:14, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Notes

  1. ^ even so, i remember reverting clear copyright violations during those dark days.
  2. ^ actually, here is a clearly embarrassing example of me not understanding the current standards for sources as recently as last year, in the creation of an article coincidentally also dealing with east slavic musicians.
  3. ^ i took an interest in this article because i happened to catch eugene onegin my first time attending an opera in vienna (though not when nesterenko performed there), and have also been lucky enough to attend a session of the international tchaikovsky competition while i was living in saint petersburg (though not when nesterenko won the gold medal).
  4. ^ the lead and infobox have been left intact, as they are not similarly problematic.

RD: Dan Sartain

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Nominator's comments: American rock musician. Exact date of death unknown, but announced March 20. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 06:09, 21 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Taryn Fiebig

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Nominator's comments: Australian soprano in the opera and theatre. Formerly a cellist. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 06:05, 21 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Peter Lorimer

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Nominator's comments: Scottish international footballer, article isn't bad but needs a few more cites appears OK to go now. Black Kite (talk) 12:37, 20 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Fagradalsfjall erupts

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Article: Fagradalsfjall (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A fissure eruption begins in Fagradalsfjall, Iceland. (Post)
News source(s): NDTV [19]
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Nominator's comments: Following M5.0+ earthquake activity, the long-awaited fissure volcano eruption finally begins. There is the possibility of sulfur dioxide pollution. 142.122.99.40 (talk) 04:45, 20 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
No, as it is not in a populated area, although there is a risk of sulfur dioxide pollution which could affect health in other areas. 331dot (talk) 10:25, 20 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Paul Jackson (bassist)

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News source(s): NPR; Pitchfork
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Nominator's comments: Only announced and reported today (March 19). —Bloom6132 (talk) 20:15, 22 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Luis Armando Bambarén Gastelumendi

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News source(s): RPP
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Nominator's comments: Catholic bishop in Peru. Died of COVID-19. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 06:14, 21 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Glynn Lunney

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Nominator's comments: NASA flight controller, Featured Article that has been updated. Mike Peel (talk) 09:38, 20 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Elsa Peretti

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News source(s): vogue.com
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Nominator's comments: Italian jewelry designer. Article has been updated, but needs a few more citations. Oceanh (talk) 02:06, 20 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Have added some more citations, and removed uncited claims. After this, the article apparently looks fine. But when checking all the (old) links, I found that at least seven of the urls were "dead", plus two give me trouble (one is "unsecure", one does not support my browser). Next step, maybe find/search for archived urls (or alternative links for citation), or is that too much trouble? Any archive expert with access to proper tools that can help? How is the ITN practice for treating dead links? Oceanh (talk) 13:40, 21 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Oceanh: There are a few ways, which WP:404 says best. Archive.org seems to be having problems right now, but I'll deal with the dead links when it's working again. Uses x (talk) 20:02, 21 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I've found and recovered all of them. Uses x (talk) 21:08, 21 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you! Oceanh (talk) 22:55, 21 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) John Magufuli / Samia Suluhu

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Articles: John Magufuli (talk · history · tag) and Samia Suluhu (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: President of Tanzania John Magufuli dies at the age of 61. (Post)
Alternative blurb: President of Tanzania John Magufuli dies at the age of 61 and is succeeded by his vice-president, Samia Suluhu.
Alternative blurb II: Vice-president Samia Suluhu becomes Tanzania's first female president after the death of John Magufuli at the age of 61.
News source(s): BBC, AP, Guardian
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Nominator's comments: Death of an incumbent head of state would, I believe, almost certainly qualify for a blurb over RD. Sceptre (talk) 21:05, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I agree this should be a blurb; the article quality is close but isn't good enough yet. Depending on how the succession works, we may want to include the new President in the blurb. (power~enwiki, π, ν) 21:09, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Added in alt-blurb. Sceptre (talk) 21:14, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see any sources that say that Suluhu has been sworn in; the only sourcing in the Wiki article is the constitution of Tanzania. If we're going for a merged blurb, we need to wait (hopefully only an hour or two) for coverage of the succession. (power~enwiki, π, ν) 21:37, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Apparently massive content edits are automatically approved but adding an orange tag gets "pending review"? shrugs good night y'all --LaserLegs (talk) 02:43, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) RD: Ed Armbrister

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Nominator's comments: Only announced and reported today (March 18). —Bloom6132 (talk) 08:43, 19 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Picanyol

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Nominator's comments: Spanish comic illustrator. Oceanh (talk) 06:55, 19 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Rogers Lehew

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Nominator's comments: Only announced and reported today (March 18). —Bloom6132 (talk) 04:32, 19 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Major Olímpio

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News source(s): UOL.com (in Portuguese); Globo.com (in PT)
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Nominator's comments: Brazilian senator. Another Covid victim. --SirEdimon Dimmi!!! 00:08, 19 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Sourced like a wrestling article. Cool name, though. Sounds like a wrestler! InedibleHulk (talk) 05:53, 19 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Spanish legalization of euthanasia

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Article: Legality of euthanasia (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Spanish Congress of Deputies approves the legalization of euthanasia and assisted suicide in a 202–141–2 vote. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The Spanish Congress of Deputies votes 202–141–2 to approve the legalization of euthanasia and assisted suicide, becoming the 4th EU country to do so.
Alternative blurb II: ​ The Spanish Congress of Deputies votes 202–141–2 to approve definitively the legalization of euthanasia and assisted suicide for people with serious and incurable diseases who want to end their life, making it the fourth country in the European Union to do so.
News source(s): RTE
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Nominator's comments: 4rth EU country to legalise euthanasia and assisted suicide 72.68.176.223 (talk) 16:41, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) 2021 New South Wales floods

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Blurb: ​ In eastern Australia, the worst flooding in 60 years forces thousands to evacuate in New South Wales. (Post)
News source(s): https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/live/2021/mar/22/nsw-queensland-floods-more-rain-expected-on-mid-north-coast-as-rivers-continue-to-rise-follow-live
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Nominator's comments: Major natural disaster; labelled a "one-in-a-hundred year event" JMonkey2006 (talk) 06:18, 22 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

One might even go so far as to call this a "parochial inconvenience" --LaserLegs (talk) 10:37, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Steve Jagielka

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News source(s): Shropshire Star
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Nominator's comments: English footballer, 43. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 05:57, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Vladimir Cvijan

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News source(s): Beta
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Nominator's comments: Serbian politician. Actually died in 2018, but just confirmed today. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 23:05, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Died in 2018? They thought he was in the United States? This is an odd case. The article before the updating is a stub that doesn't mention his disappearance. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:56, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • The only media that mentioned his disappearance was the Tabloid Magazine which actually discovered his death a few days ago. In this article from 2019, they claimed that he was a protected witness in the United States. No other media ever mentioned his dissaperance or possibility of him being dead until a few days ago when it was discovered that he died in 2018 under suspicious circumstances.
  • Oppose Way too late, potential DYK. InedibleHulk (talk) 02:35, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Per WP:ITN/RD: "Individuals who disappear are eligible for a recent deaths entry for the day they are declared dead in absentia, subject to the standard criteria above if there is no concurrent blurb about the disappearance." That policy also says RDs can be from the "date of announcement". AllegedlyHuman (talk) 02:40, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
¿Por que no los dos? AllegedlyHuman (talk) 06:02, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I don't understand, but I won't oppose the nom in any case. I just think an actual blurb would be merited, and the ITNRD blurb requirements prevent it here. There's a few things under Works which need references, but the B(elated)BLP is otherwise in good order.130.233.213.199 (talk) 07:31, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I've now made a DYK nom. That shouldn't affect the discussion here, though. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 08:03, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 2021 Abel Prize

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Avi Wigderson and László Lovász
Articles: Avi Wigderson (talk · history · tag) and László Lovász (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Mathematicians Avi Wigderson and László Lovász (both pictured) share the Abel Prize for their work in complexity theory and graph theory. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Mathematicians Avi Wigderson and László Lovász (both pictured) share the Abel Prize for their work in theoretical computer science and discrete mathematics.
News source(s): The New York Times, Quanta Magazine, Nature
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Nominator's comments: 2021 award of the Abel Prize, "regarded as the [mathematics] equivalent of the Nobel" (NYT). The first blurb uses the more specific fields given by the Quanta article while the altblurb mirrors the official Abel Prize citation. — MarkH21talk 21:05, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

RD: James Levine

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Article: James Levine (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/17/obituaries/james-levine-dead.html
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: The death itself was more than 7 days ago (on 9 March), but it was only announced today. sentausa (talk) 15:32, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

And his discography goes far beyond the one piece listed, which he's only one of many pianists for. Surely if he's famous enough for NYT, Associated Press, The Guardian, etc, obituaries surely he has a few more notable works. Uses x (talk) 07:31, 19 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Sabine Schmitz

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Article: Sabine Schmitz (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Sky news
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Queen of the Nürburgring. Unnamelessness (talk) 09:34, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The subject's notability should not be a basis for supporting or opposing; all people with Wikipedia articles are presumed important enough to post to RD. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 18:47, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 2021 America's Cup

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Article: 2021 America's Cup (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In sailing, the America's Cup concludes with Team New Zealand beating Italy's Luna Rossa. (Post)
News source(s): 1 News
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The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Nominator's comments: Completion of this year's America's Cup, which is retained by New Zealand.  Nixinova T  C   04:15, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Because it's the top event in the Olympic sport of sailboat racing (and more Greek storms should've been posted too) Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 16:50, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
It's not "we don't post A because we didn't post a completely unrelated B". Sorry guys. This is a little bit sad to be honest. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 16:53, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@The Rambling Man: Maybe it should be since it is very poor, that significant weather disasters aren't posted on the main page but boat races are automatically accepted.Jason Rees (talk) 17:01, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Do you need me to explain how ITNR works? Have you or your Avengers tried creating a proposal for your weather systems at ITNR? No, I didn't think so. Sad. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 17:10, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Yes me and several editors have tried to work with you guys and work out some criteria and figure out whats notable enough for WP;ITN and Wikipedia as a whole including here & here. However, we don't get anywhere for various reasons.Jason Rees (talk) 17:21, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Ah well, clearly the community doesn't place as much value on the weather as you guys. If you don't want to see sailing or boat races or whatever else on ITNR, start as many delist discussions as you see fit. I don't see you doing that, just throwing some toys out that your weather didn't get posted. It won't stop this being posted either, it'll just have a negative impact on any future weather nominations. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 17:26, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure why it would have an effect on future weather nominations. We are all here to build an encyclopedia, not hold personal grudges, after all. – atomic𓅊7732 01:52, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Most of us are yes, some people clearly are not. Cheers for your input! The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 07:58, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
There's actually an explanation for this one: the America is a boat, not the USA. Fun! AllegedlyHuman (talk) 18:52, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
That's not an explanation. I can't think of a single construction of the form "the [proper noun]'s [other noun]" that sounds grammatical. It should be "America's cup" or "the America cup". Einsof (talk) 19:57, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Heh, that is the explanation. Whether you like it or not! It was America's Cup. Fun!! The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 20:05, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The only way that could pass as an explanation is if the ship were named The America (hence "the" would be part of the proper noun), but it's not—the name was just America. So it's either "the America cup" or "America's cup" (no definite article). Not sure what the explanation for this weirdness is. Einsof (talk) 20:39, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
No, it's called America's Cup, the boat was called America and the cup is named for the ship, i.e it was America's Cup. It's not weird in the slightest. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 20:57, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Ah ok, I think you misunderstood the objection. "America's cup" is fine. "The America's cup" isn't because that kind of proper noun construction doesn't take the definite article in English. Einsof (talk) 21:00, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
No, you misunderstand I think. "the America's Cup" is fine too. It doesn't have to follow rules of logic for it to be correct. Cheers! The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 22:09, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
It's an issue of grammar, not logic. Einsof (talk) 22:14, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Well perhaps you've been learning the wrong thing. "The America's Cup" is perfectly grammatically correct. Cheers! The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 22:17, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - as noted, the Timeline section needs sourcing, as do the two tables used in the article. The first table also has some entries struck out, which should be accompanied by an explanation as to why. After that it's good to go. The above opposes will not be considered, as consensus is clear that ITN/R entries can only be opposed on quality grounds. If you want to remove this from ITN/R then go and propose the change at WT:ITN.  — Amakuru (talk) 16:34, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • @Amakuru: As i said in my oppose consensus can change and sometimes its good to challenge the norm especially when disasters that are causing major disaster declarations to be issued are opposed and not posted.Jason Rees (talk) 16:41, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      Sure, consensus can change. But if that's the case, the place to bring that up is on the ITN talk page which is where we discuss additions and removals from the ITN/R list. The whole purpose of ITN/R is to avoid having to pointlessly regurgitate the same arguments year after year. As Einsof notes, WP:IAR (a.k.a. common sense) may occasionally apply, but there's nothing here to suggest that's necessary. Admins considering ITN entries routinely discount opposes of ITN/R and RD nominations on notability grounds and this is no exception.  — Amakuru (talk) 16:50, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment wow, this is like "WikiProject Hurricanes Assemble!!!!!". Nice try lads. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 16:52, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment the Crews and Timeline sections are currently tagged with {{unreferenced section}}. Once that is resolved, I see no reason not to post. Titoxd(?!?) 17:12, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - THIS IS ITN/R. Stop opposing on notability, as those opposes will be summarily ignored. If you have arguments about notability, take it up on the talk page and not here.--WaltCip-(talk) 17:13, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • Imagine how these discussions look to people who aren’t knee deep in Wiki culture. ITNR is not a mandate sent down from heaven. We can talk about this article here. Zagalejo (talk) 17:18, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      • Luckily, it's nowhere near close to a mandate from heaven. It's just a process that we all follow to establish consensus, the same way that we don't choose Presidents in the U.S. by mobbing the Capitol and declaring the previous election null and void. Consensus is not established via a bunch of aggrieved people showing up on a nom just because their favorite hurricane didn't get posted. --WaltCip-(talk) 17:51, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
        • @WaltCip: I would strongly suggest that you take a step back and look at what's been going on with WP:ITN recently, our opposes arent because our so-called favourite hurricane didn't get posted. Its because we are fed up with seeing significant disasters being opposed, closed within an hour and laughed at because it snows every year in the United States.Jason Rees (talk) 17:59, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
          • If you want the process changed, do it on the talk page and not on an ITNR item, which when sufficiently updated, should be posted, will be posted, and indeed has been posted (though briefly pulled for article quality concerns). Your argument is one that has been brought up many times over the many years ITN has been around, and the answer is always the same each time. --WaltCip-(talk) 18:03, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
          • And so far I haven't seen you or any of the other "oppose" !votes comment on the newly-formulated Remove ITN/R item on the talk page. Whenever you want to make your voice heard in the proper venue, please do. --WaltCip-(talk) 18:05, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
          • "our opposes arent because our so-called favourite hurricane didn't get posted". Of course not. You all just pressed "Random Page" and ended up here simultaneously. Black Kite (talk) 18:11, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
            • At the end of the day @Black Kite and WaltCip: there is something wrong if a typhoon whose name is later retired for causing significant damage can't be posted but some random boat race can. Also, I would strongly suggest that you take a good step back if you think we are nominating hurricanes just because we like them, as I can guarantee you that we would rather not see the damage or deaths associated with them.Jason Rees (talk) 21:12, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
            I don't think "random page" includes project pages does it? So there's that excuse out of the water!  — Amakuru (talk) 18:14, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
            I came here because I was curious how the Atlanta shootings were being discussed. I don't look at ITN every day. Zagalejo (talk) 18:19, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Will support, upon sourcing issues addressed per ITNR. Also, can someone interested go fix America's Cup#2021 America's Cup. (It is certainly tragic that natural and man-made disasters occur much more frequently than this race, but those arguments are quite irrelevant). Alanscottwalker (talk) 17:15, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment marked as ready, unsourced sections have been removed/addressed and no substance in the weather-based opposition. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 17:20, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Quality issues fixed. Can the weather posse head over to Wikipedia_talk:In_the_news#Remove_ITN/R:_America's_Cup and make your arguments there. P-K3 (talk) 17:27, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted (with an ENGVAR-compliant blurb), ITN/R, feel free to carry on arguing. Black Kite (talk) 17:30, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose for now on quality grounds (obviously - since that's the only valid reason for opposing!!). Urggh so I've looked at it again, and unfortunately I can see the usual issue with this sort of nomination - there's no prose covering the actual event despite there being some on the qualifiers. As with golf and tennis tournaments, we need at least a paragraph or two to summarise what went down and who the winners and losers were in prose form. Removing "ready" for the time being, hopefully that can be added soon and we can move on with our lives.  — Amakuru (talk) 17:31, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    @Black Kite: sorry, we edit conflicted but this is not ready yet. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 17:33, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Sigh. Albertaont (1) It is automatically eligible for ITN, as it is included on WP:ITN/R (2) Snow closes are for unanimous or otherwise obvious consensuses, and any oppose here that does not address quality issues rather than notability ones is automatically invalid anyway - see (1). Black Kite (talk) 18:04, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm starting to think this is a concentrated effort to make a WP:POINT. Like Jesus Christ, how many times do people have to say ITNR EVENTS AUTOMATICALLY PASS THE NOTABILITY CRITERIA.  Nixinova T  C   18:48, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Small nit: an individual event normally of an ITNR may be of so little importance as to be deemed not appropriate for ITNC even if it passed the quality mark. (For example, we used that with Chang'e 5, holding off posting when it successfully completed its sample-and-return from the moon rather than other ITNR points for space missions) This is a IAR-type rule however, and depends on the situation greatly. That said, I certainly don't see this iteration of the America's Cup - nothing unusual about this iteration of the race to not have it featured on the main page after quality improvements. It is definitely wrong for editors to be !voting and arguing about the notability of the Cup event in broad terms, particularly as it is one of the top events in competitive sailing in the world. If they want to argue about removing that ITNR, WT:ITN is thataway. --Masem (t) 22:06, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Albertaont: Completely unnotable, not found in any of the major news sources as a story right now. If completely "unnotable" then I suggest America's Cup is taken to WP:AFD where it's sure to be deleted of course. If by "not found in any of the major news sources as a story right now", do you mean it's covered in The New York Times, The Guardian, The Daily Telegraph, Sydney Morning Herald etc etc? Which part of your oppose had any foundation in the truth? The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 19:41, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
3,200 words. Time to do something with it. Yawn. – Sca (talk) 22:17, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
You're like that guy at a concert always yelling at the band to play Free Bird.--WaltCip-(talk) 23:36, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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March 16

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Armed conflicts and attacks

Arts and culture

Health and environment

International relations

Law and crime


(Posted) RD: Courtney Blackman

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Article: Courtney Blackman (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Central Bank of Barbados, Jamaica Observer
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: First and longest serving governor of the Central Bank of Barbados. Joofjoof (talk) 07:28, 20 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Attention needed) RD: Moudud Ahmed

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Article: Moudud Ahmed (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Dhaka Tribune
Credits:
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Bangladeshi politician; former prime ministerAllegedlyHuman (talk) 06:08, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Pritzker prize

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Articles: Anne Lacaton (talk · history · tag) and Jean-Philippe Vassal (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Anne Lacaton and Jean-Philippe Vassal are jointly awarded the Pritzker Architecture Prize (Post)
News source(s): Guardian
Credits:

Article updated
One or both nominated events are listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Architecture's highest award, on ITNR. Unusually this year's winners are a duo famous for low-cost renovations of existing structures, not flashy new builds. Lacaton's article has a few uncited paragraphs; I'll get on those. Vassal's article was only created yesterday; it's short but adequately referenced. Modest Genius talk 14:27, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Atlanta spa shootings

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Article: 2021 Atlanta spa shootings (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: A series of mass shootings at three massage parlors in Atlanta, Georgia, U.S., leaves eight dead and one injured. (Post)
Alternative blurb: A series of mass shootings at three massage parlors in Atlanta, Georgia, U.S., leaves eight dead and one injured, including the deaths of six Asian American women.
Alternative blurb II: ​ In the United States, a series of mass shootings at three massage parlors in Atlanta leaves eight dead, including six women of Asian descent.
News source(s): CNN, NPR, NYT, AP, BBC, Guardian
Credits:
Article updated
Nominator's comments: Major breaking story in the U.S. Believed to be an act of anti-Asian hate. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 07:07, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Or an Incel attack. --LaserLegs (talk) 11:09, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Seems like both. ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 17:02, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Also the guy went to three different massage parlors and killed six Asian women. There was nothing random about this, this was a targetted killing. --LaserLegs (talk) 11:56, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per UNDUE. The racial angle to this is tenuous and circumstantial, yet it is inappropriately and strongly inferred in the article. 6 Asians, 2 Whites and 1 Hispanic sounds about right for a random mix of people in a massage parlor. While the crime itself is I think notable, the article must be toned down significantly unless and until there is some sort of unambiguous statement (from the perpetrator or victim) otherwise.130.233.213.199 (talk) 10:56, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • Whats with the racist angle behind "6 Asians, 2 Whites and 1 Hispanic sounds about right for a random mix of people in a massage parlor." Do you have any evidence to back up this statement? Its clear this is a racial attack, did we ever get an unambiguous statement from death of George Floyd (hint: he was dead) or from the cops (hint: admitting culpability) about it being a racially motivated? Albertaont (talk) 13:24, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • So you think the event itself is notable, but your problem is that the article accurately follows the sources by mentioning the significance of most victims being Asian? I hope that whoever determines the consensus isn't counting this utterly bizarre !vote...  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 03:03, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      (to both above) Well, it's certainly good that we at least gave this a day to develop, because if we're "following sources" then the original slant of the article and the nomination has fallen apart. There's a preponderance of evidence that this was sexual frustration or addiction or revenge, including statements by the perpetrator and hospital logs and others. You're zealousness on this issue is COATRACKing a tragedy.130.233.213.199 (talk) 06:21, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • This !vote is dated. The article clearly says no motive has been established. The discussion of the race of the victims, their gender, and possible motivations is well supported by WP:WEIGHT.—Bagumba (talk) 11:28, 19 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose In general, a series of mass shootings in the United States is not news that merits inclusion mainly because of the extremely loose policies on possession and acquisition of firearms. The real news to post would be a policy response that would restrict access to guns or impose stricter gun control, thereby reducing the likelihood that similar events might happen in the near future, as was the case with the Nova Scotia attacks last year when the Canadian government promptly responded (see that discussion).--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 11:05, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • Except the merits of the blurb as stated by most supporters after the early breaking news phase is that the signficance is the gender and race of the victims, not the mode of death.—Bagumba (talk) 11:31, 19 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Per all of the above; Shootings in the US are very common in the nation due to lax gun laws, also the low death toll in the single digits doesn’t help either. 24.166.251.29 (talk) 11:37, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
And lax gun violence sentences and social safety nets and free therapists/counselors and psychiatrists and high ownership rates (especially in some states). Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 16:29, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Comment – Widely hyped due to disreputable connotations of the crime scene, but notions of race/hate significance are sketchy. Unfortunately for the U.S., significance is slight. – Sca (talk) 13:56, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose even if this ends up being a racially-motivated domestic terrorism attack, that would be far too commonplace for the U.S. for this to be posted. --Masem (t) 14:06, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - It just doesn't meet that threshold of notability generally required for such events. WaltCip-(talk) 14:21, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Very much in the news, probably the biggest story in the U.S., on the front pages of all the national outlets I just checked (CNN, NY Times, Washington Post, etc.), and it's very much relevant in the moment as we need to Stop AAPI Hate (I know, I know, WP:RGW, but this is why this shooting has become big news and those "others" we've had this year haven't). Also the article is in good shape. I nearly nominated this last night but I knew that the typical brigade that doesn't want to post any U.S. gun shootings would shoot it down. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:23, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Not helpful, y'all have talk pages if you want to continue --LaserLegs (talk) 18:43, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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At least we've avoided the Meghan & Harry show. So far. And sports is/are always consequential – somebody wins, somebody loses!Sca (talk) 15:51, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Of course it's not going to be on the CNN world tab, because the CNN world tab excludes all United States news... you could just go to the cnn.com webpage and see that the top story displayed in the largest font is the one we're talking about here. Your method of seeing if a story is getting "much news coverage" (or even seeing what the "top US news" currently is) seems to be flawed, to say the least.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 04:20, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • What do you mean the CNN world tab excludes all US news? I'm seeing this headline there: "Biden says he believes Putin is a killer and Moscow 'will pay a price' for meddling in the 2020 election". Banedon (talk) 05:14, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • I see it now and I apologize for the inaccuracy: they appear to exclude domestic US news. That particular story made it into the world tab because it's also about Russia & international relations. All of that said, I fail to see the relevancy. Of course the Biden-Putin drama isn't the #1 US news story right now, because to find out what the top US news is, you don't need to add /world to the URL... not to mention that the world tab of an American website isn't a good way to figure out how relevant an American story is around the world. For that, you'd want to go to a non-American website entirely, such as the BBC (where this is currently the #1 story).  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 05:34, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Are you sure that the CNN world tab did not feature, e.g., Biden's election victory? That piece of domestic US news was in the world tabs I looked at. Right now BBC also has the death of Tanzania's president as the top piece of news, although this is second (if one reads left to right). Banedon (talk) 08:29, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Top news in CNN International for me is "White supremacy and hate haunt Asian Americans", followed by Megxit and Biden calling Putin a killer. To deny this is reported outside the States is delusional. Howard the Duck (talk) 13:29, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Top news in CNN World for me right now is "Covid-19 drove hundreds of Africans out of Guangzhou. A generation of mixed-race children is their legacy" followed by "Taiwan urges citizens not to change their name to 'salmon' to get free sushi", "President who urged citizens to 'pray coronavirus away' dies", "China's ambassador to US doesn't have 'high expectations' for Alaska summit" and "Dead Sea Scroll fragments found in desert cave". So nope, still opposed. Banedon (talk) 19:36, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • This is still fourth story on CNN International, still above the fold; pushing down Africans in Guangzhou story. Checked out their Spanish edition, and it is the #2 story. People here have filibustered long enough though so the opportunity for this item has passed. Howard the Duck (talk) 21:26, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Do you have an explicit link for this? As I said, I am simply not seeing this story on CNN World. Hell, it isn't even in the Americas section, where the top story is "Exclusive: Former Brazilian leader Lula leaves door open for return as he slams leaders' pandemic response". Banedon (talk) 23:17, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Note I opposed because "not seeing much news coverage on this". Banedon (talk) 11:49, 19 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
There's 60 cited sources in the article. Sorry, I mistook your previous arguments as looking for world impact.—Bagumba (talk) 11:56, 19 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I added an alt-blurb to mention the deaths of six Asian American women. -TenorTwelve (talk) 04:36, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support ongoing Someone smarter than me made a good point, this is not notable at all as an individual event as AAPI violence is the norm in the US. Ongoing seems more appropriate given that mass shootings recur with fair regularity in the United States over the past year. Albertaont (talk) 04:45, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Not to sound callous, but we haven't posted many American mass shootings in a while, and this one is all over international news. In addition, this story has an added layer of relevance as it fits into a broader surge in anti-Asian American violence and racism. Davey2116 (talk) 07:16, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose We have not posted other similar mass shootings and this is no different from them other than the presumed race angle, which shouldn't count towards a blurb. Gotitbro (talk) 08:57, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose I agree this is getting a lot of coverage because of the victims chosen, but we are not obligated and usually do not follow the media's cue in such matters. Mass shooters are typically aggrieved by something (real or imagined); the motivations here do not rise above the ordinary. I doubt it will be of ongoing historical interest (like Columbine, Parkland or Sandy Hook). GreatCaesarsGhost 12:17, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I added ALT II: Georgia probably doesn't need to be included and certainly does not need to be linked—Atlanta is a major city. The women victims were of Asian descent; it's unsourced that they were Americans. The number injured is less significant, and was removed.—Bagumba (talk) 13:00, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support alt 2. This is not your "typical" US shooting, it's still getting a lot of coverage two days after the event. The article quality is fine and posting it will be a service to our readers. The Asian angle should be mentioned in the blurb.-- P-K3 (talk) 13:14, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support ALT II The victims' demographics—women and Asian—is the main story, not the mode of killing itself. Sexually frustrated man kills women. Climate of rising Asian hate crime. Asian fetish phenomena.("Robert Aaron Long, the Atlanta-area shootings and the way white men look at Asian American women". The Independent) This is all a story even without a definitive motive. And the blurb will anyways be NPOV. Let the readers be informed and make their own judgement. We've posted domestic stories before, like the Charlotteville car ramming. Don't tell me we'd post if a car was involved instead of guns.—Bagumba (talk) 13:20, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment – Withdrew my oppose in view of second-day RS coverage of assertions of anti-Asian motives [21] [22] [23], which I don't necessarily buy. Still in the news, whatever opinions we may have. – Sca (talk) 13:44, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Not headline news outside of the United States, aside from news organizations that already have an international focus. Really, just another US mass shooting that'll quickly be forgotten. Uses x (talk) 14:33, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support alt or alt2. Article is of sufficient quality, and 40k page views on the first day means readers are interested. Some editors may not think this is a significant news story, but the readers do, and that's whose opinion matters. Also not for nothing but as an American I get really offended by the "oh it's just another shooting in the US" line of opposition. We post kidnappings in Africa and landslides in Asia. There is no rule that common tragedies are not ITN-worthy, nor is any such rule applied outside the US, and I'd ask some of my colleagues to try harder to hide their anti-American bias. Levivich harass/hound 16:03, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per Vanilla Wizard and Levivich; the blurb should mention that six of the victims were Asian. Some1 (talk) 21:46, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support -- Mass fatality incidents from shootings are uncommon in the U.S., despite what non-American Wikipedia editors may assume. Given that this appears to be a hate crime, or at least a crime involving "incels", it should be posted. We included the Isla Vista killings in 2014, didn't we? -- Rockstone[Send me a message!] 22:25, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment this is now a stale nomination: everything on the ITN blurb now happened since this event (as they all happened on 17 March, the shooting was on 16 March). So would be illogical to add this and remove a newer ITN blurb. Joseph2302 (talk) 22:31, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Tragic but par for the course. 15 shot, 2 fatally, in a mass shooting two days prior to this mass shooting. Hrodvarsson (talk) 23:05, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Yeah that's the problem with lumping all shootings into this "mass shooting" category. It's true that there are a lot of incidents in the US where multiple people get shot. They're not all the same. This one is unique, which is why it's getting so much media coverage. Levivich harass/hound 23:42, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    What is with rightists and Chicago derangement syndrome? Every time a triggered incel MAGAt goes off the rails and kills innocent people in some racially motivated attack we get this endless parade of "What about Chicago" and "What about black on black violence" while the whole sad gang just parrots the inane nonsense from Faux Noise. He later updated that statement, saying there was a disturbance “among several patrons and gunfire erupted striking multiple people.” -- if you wait literally a day or two you find out that the violence in Chicago is almost always due to domestic violence or organized crime not at all the white nationalist terrorism sweeping the country but oh no whenever this happens we can't consider context instead the rightists have to shriek about Chicago and the foreigners cluck their tongues and insist "well what do you expect this sort of thing happens all the time in America". #sad. --LaserLegs (talk) 00:09, 19 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support The opposes almost had me, but Levivich is right. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 00:18, 19 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support getting a lot of coverage/attention and the article looks decent. I was a bit surprised this wasn't already on the main page. Elli (talk | contribs) 01:18, 19 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ready by a straight !vote count the supports outweigh the opposes by 7. Some of the opposes complain about WP:OTHERSTUFF which is invalid and contrary to the WP:ITN guidelines. The rationale really boils down to the opposes "just another mass shooting" vs the supports "this time it's different" (of which I'm one). Good discussion, the ayes have it. --LaserLegs (talk) 01:19, 19 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • This nomination is older than every single thing on ITN already, so is stale. It would therefore be ridiculous to replace ITN blurbs with less relevant, older content. It would be a really poor precedent to be set to remove an event that happened on 17 March from ITN blurb to replace it with an event from 16 March. Therefore, I have marked this as stale, instead of ready. Joseph2302 (talk) 01:37, 19 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • The relevant guideline is Wikipedia:In the news#Procedure for posting point 3: " Singular events that took place more than seven days prior to their nomination are considered stale, as well as any event that is older than the oldest entry in the current "In the News" box." All events on the current ITN blurb happened on 17 March UTC time, whereas this happened on 16 March UTC time (17:00 Atlanta time = 22:00 UTC). Joseph2302 (talk) 01:42, 19 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Apologies, my timings were off- Pritzker Architecture Prize was announced 10am Eastern US/15:00 UTC on 16 March, which was before this shooting. So my above stale comment seems not to apply- have struck and marked it as ready again. Joseph2302 (talk) 01:47, 19 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I've started a discussion about this event on the talk page here. Overall, the discussion appears to have reached a conclusion. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 02:14, 19 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, I don't know – we're just getting rolling on this one (4,700 W). And now POTUS & veep are heading to Atlanta. [24]Sca (talk) 15:01, 19 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose-- We don't even discuss similarly devastating incidents of violence from those parts of the world where they have become common and expected. Well, gun violence in America has become common and is not News news anymore. The story is not moving in the direction to make it of larger or long-term significance. Usedtobecool ☎️ 15:19, 19 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 15:48, 19 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose / Pull - I don't see any consensus to post here. Just because something's marked as "ready" doesn't mean that it actually is ready. Regretfully, as per above comments, shootings are so common in the US that this one isn't really that unusual or newsworthy.  — Amakuru (talk) 15:54, 19 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Most shooting in the US don't prompt visits from the President and Vice President. The apparent targeting of the Asian American community means this is unusual and newsworthy.-- P-K3 (talk) 15:58, 19 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Nothing unusual or newsworthy? The news outlets that are still running this on their front pages don't agree with you. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:47, 19 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    I summarized the consensus I saw when I added the tag, if I was in error perhaps you could explain how. --LaserLegs (talk) 17:03, 19 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Before I posted, I did a read through and agreed with LaserLegs' assessment of the consensus, otherwise I wouldn't have posted it. One more oppose did come in after LaserLegs' summary, however it wasn't enough to change the balance of the narrow consensus that had developed.~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 18:55, 19 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Post-posting comment – A reasonable move given the third-day coverage and and high-profile involvement, even though the event itself is getting old fast. Any move to pull it now would raise awkward questions. – Sca (talk) 17:37, 19 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • It was arguably justifiable to dismiss it as just another US mass shooting after just the first day or two, but developments since then (US federal government half-masting flags for multiple days, presidential attention, vigils, international commentary) show that this is more similar to the relatively low-fatality US shootings that still get posted on ITN because of something else that elevates its importance above just the crime itself (see my !vote above). ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 17:56, 19 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Blurb: ​ A sandstorm from the Mongolian Plateau has caused 10 people died in Mongolia, several cities in Inner Mongolia shut down and half of China in sands. (Post)
News source(s): Casuality in Mongolia increased to 10; Strongest sandstorm of the decade, some cities shut down
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Nominator's comments: RIP. Article still needs some ongoing work. A Mar 15 satellite photo may be added from zoom.earth where Mongolia and half of China is in soil color, if NASA's photo is in public domain. 173.68.165.114 (talk) 08:05, 16 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Clark M. Blatteis

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Nominator's comments: Announced today (March 15). Not known outside of his field, but a giant in environmental physiology. BD2412 T 00:48, 16 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment. Please do not get me wrong. Legacy.com is not a WP:RS. Given the sensitivity of WP:ITNRD, you would agree with me that we should not be discussing nominations that are pending a mention in WP:RS. Thanks. Ktin (talk) 01:42, 16 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm not sure I agree with the above closure. While that might not be a RS in way of confirming biographical info, one would think a family-placed obituary is good enough to at least confirm a death date. Perhaps this will become moot at some point with some other website picking up on his death, but there is always a chance that this is the best we'll get, especially for some academics, and people long retired and out of the spotlight (another example is Bill O'Connor (American football)). Connormah (talk) 14:46, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    I don't think we can post it on RD with that level of sourcing, but I do agree with you that it shouldn't have been closed. Closure is for items that stand no chance of being posted, not for things where just one person has input into the process.  — Amakuru (talk) 16:22, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Hi folks. I was the one who closed this one, because I believed that we should not be discussing nominations (and definitely not posting), specially WP:ITNRD ones, that do not have a mention in WP:RS. But, if others disagree, please do revert the closure. Thanks. Ktin (talk) 16:34, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Well, perhaps it is a discussion for elsewhere, but I think there is some nuance in whether that is a RS or not. I think it should suffice for the simple fact that someone has died, though, of course, we'd prefer something better if available (though sometimes it is not). Connormah (talk) 16:51, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    I am quite confident that he has in fact died as reported. This is now also reported on the Legacy.com subpage for The Daily Memphian, which is a published source, but which hosts its obituaries on the website. How do we handle things when published newspapers use another website in this way? BD2412 T 21:22, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    The Legacy.com page was taken from that of a funeral director's site. The concensus (note: with very little discussion) on the reliable sources noticeboard is that they're not RS for specifics such as date of death as they're essentially self-published sources. [1] [2] I personally consider them reliable enough to add a date of death on an article as a placeholder, but I wouldn't say it's reliable enough to then link to the article on the front page, so I agree with the closure. Uses x (talk) 13:01, 18 March 2021 (UTC)\[reply]
    I think WP:COMMONSENSE applies here. With less local news outlets as before, there are bound to be notable people by WP's standards that do not get news obituaries in bigger publications. I can see the argument against using these for sourcing biographical information as it is obviously written by the families, but for something as simple as a death date, the sole purpose of publishing an obituary, it's hard not to see why this cannot be used. It's not like newspapers just publish obituaries without any form of oversight confirming that a person has died. Connormah (talk) 15:16, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • I have reopened the discussion since the Daily Memphian obituaries are available from its front page, even though the link leads to Legacy.com. @Ktin: let me know if you agree that this is sufficient. Cheers! BD2412 T 21:27, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks @BD2412. I also found the obituary on Page 8 of The Commercial Appeal on March 16, 2021. Not able to find it online. But, this is good, imo. Ktin (talk) 23:20, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    The Commercial Appeal syndicates Legacy.com content too. You can see the obituary on their Facebook page linking to it. Uses x (talk) 14:21, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: Needs more coverage of his research; right now the article only states that he investigated the "physiologic mechanism that initiates fever and its associated reactions to infectious pathogens." Fortunately the Quan reference has thorough detail of his research, and a paragraph in the article based on that (particularly the final sentences for paragraphs in the Quan article) would make this a relatively quick fix. SpencerT•C 03:29, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Very glad that an RS obit came out before this got stale. The description of his work is suitable, I think, and any more detailed would run afoul of JARGON. Refs spot checked.130.233.213.199 (talk) 10:04, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

*Oppose on source. I'd like for this to be posted before becoming stale, but just because a newspaper is syndicated with Legacy.com doesn't make it a RS. It's all coming from the obituary on the funeral director site which isn't RS for specifics as it's WP:SELFPUB ("The family of Dr. Clark Martin Blatteis created this Life Tributes page"). It's probably fine enough to update his article since it's not an exceptional claim, but in my view not good enough to post to the front page of Wikipedia. Uses x (talk) 13:30, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support With some Facebook searching I'm not going to link out of respect for privacy, it seems his colleagues and family members are confirming his death, so I'm now confident that it's reliable. Uses x (talk) 15:29, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) RD: Ian Waddell

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Nominator's comments: Only announced and reported today (March 16). —Bloom6132 (talk) 02:24, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Yaphet Kotto

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Nominator's comments: US actor, Bond, Alien etc. Died 15/3, anounced today. Needs some citations. Black Kite (talk) 08:10, 16 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

BAM!! Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 20:18, 16 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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(Closed) Vatican bars gay union blessing, says God 'can't bless sin'

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Sorry, misread. Might have supported if it concerned unionisation of staff in Vatican gay bars. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:43, 15 March 2021 (UTC) [reply]
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(Posted) RD: Sally Grossman

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  • Comment – Only announced and reported today (March 14). —Bloom6132 (talk) 03:47, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support – well-sourced; looks like it meets the criteria. —Bloom6132 (talk) 03:52, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. A pass should be taken on the article to de-puff the article. e.g. "noted for being a striking businessperson while eschewing media publicity". Furthermore, other than the album cover narrative there is not sufficient depth on her career. Noting her contributions that made her a "striking businessperson" will be good. Happy to change my vote once these have been addressed. Ktin (talk) 20:48, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Hey, this is a legit oppose. The Ready tag was honestly premature. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 21:04, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Template:Re Well, this isn't the first time this editor has attempted to pick apart one of my noms for frivolous reasons (he decided not to less than 30 minutes later). So I'm a bit skeptical over whether this is indeed a "legit oppose". The common denominator is we're both competing in the WikiCup. Unlike him, I don't vote on any of his noms to avoid the appearance of impropriety. But hey, to each their own. —Bloom6132 (talk) 21:19, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Bloom6132 -- Please assume good faith Wikipedia:AGF. It is a central tenet of editors' contributions here. Ktin (talk) 21:41, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Template:Re AGF ≠ be deaf, dumb, and blind. You have a track record – this isn't your first time making a spurious nitpick; I'm certain it won't your last (for the record, the Robert Dean nom mentioned above was promoted without me having to make additional changes, demonstrating that your comment was indeed bogus and contrived, much like your oppose here). —Bloom6132 (talk) 22:06, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Please be polite and kind to your fellow editors. Calling someone's views spurious, bogus, and contrived, just because you do not agree with them, is not in keeping with a behavior that we would ever want to condone. Ktin (talk) 22:13, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Not at all. I'm calling a spade a spade based on evidence (not, as you like to smokescreen it, Template:Tq). Yes, your views can be disagreeable, but that's not the reason why they are spurious, bogus, and contrived. —Bloom6132 (talk) 22:39, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Let me get this straight -- my views are spurious, bogus, and contrived because I once opposed this i.e. Robert Dean nomination of yours with the rationale of Template:Tq and then later decided against that comment? And, hence, you believe that my views here are in bad faith? Ktin (talk) 01:31, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Conditional Support Hits on what the subject was notable for-- while it might be just be an album cover, it is appropriate. Conditional since I would like to see the sentence stating that she was noted to be an "imposing businessperson" with a ref after it. Otherwise, good to go IMO. SpencerT•C 03:08, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Thione Seck

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  • And updated for Record of the Year. --Masem (t) 03:46, 15 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • I'm also tagging both the song and album as bolded targeted. "Everything I Wanted" is a GA and looks in good shape, and while Folklore is not yet a GA, it looks fairly complete as well. --Masem (t) 03:49, 15 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Articles on Billie and Tay Tay are in great shape, as well as the song and album. Grammy article looks fine too; we might even want to link to the individual awards in the blurbs, so long as those articles are OK. ITN/R, so not much else to say, except great work from the community to get these to such a high quality. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 03:54, 15 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
We might also want to do a split image (for the people who actually know how to do that). AllegedlyHuman (talk) 03:55, 15 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Usually the split image is when we have a mens/womans sport and thus we don't want to prioritize one winner over the other. It's not that we can't here, but given that we have two female winners, and this is just two among many winners, I don't think we need to. At worst, in a few days if this is posted, we can swap a Swift image for Eilish's. --Masem (t) 03:58, 15 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
That makes sense. I did notice something else, though: if this article happens to go to ITN today, then the Main Page will have the same photo of Billie Eilish twice. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 04:08, 15 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Ah didn't see that. Fortunately, plenty of other free images of her. I swapped that out for now. Maybe we can have a Swift image to start then. (eg File:Taylor Swift 2 - 2019 by Glenn Francis.jpg) --Masem (t) 05:36, 15 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, definitely include Beyoncé in the blurb. Jim Michael (talk) 09:24, 15 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posting the blurb above. Feel free to change. Not sure how to mention Beyoncé and keep the blurb short. --Tone 09:33, 15 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes, I think that's probably correct. The ITN/R entry covers Record of the Year and Album of the Year. Beyonce's record breaking is interesting, but perhaps not fully ITN-worthy and would need a full consensus in any case. I'd lean oppose on that one myself...  — Amakuru (talk) 10:27, 15 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Unless it was a record within the scope of the current awards, we would generally not add those types of "overall" records. --Masem (t) 13:33, 15 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Post-posting support all article look really good, and ITNR. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:37, 15 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Beyonce Knowles she didn't win album of the year, or record of the year, so we don't need to include her in the blurb at all. --LaserLegs (talk) 10:32, 15 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - After seeing the Grammys languish without ITN updates for several years, seeing this one go up so quickly is certainly a pleasant surprise. That said, I'm not pleased about the racially biased blurb.--WaltCip-(talk) 12:19, 15 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Not following you. Isn't Album of the Year and Record of the Year the standard blurb format?-- P-K3 (talk) 13:15, 15 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Standard blurb format, yes. But this is not a standard award show, and the broken record is notable, just as a broken record during a top sporting event is occasionally mentioned on ITN.--WaltCip-(talk) 13:28, 15 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    I don't think we're trying to racially swing anything, just that these types of records (career-spanning, not event-spanning) don't work well in posting the blurb in the context of a single award show; but I agree it is one of those records I'm seeing in headlines now from the show. We could add, as briefly as I could see it "and Beyonce becomes the most awarded female artist." to the end of the current blurb, which would make it three lines long and push the Zamfara kidnapping off. --Masem (t) 13:51, 15 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
This is a very strange comment. Billie Eilish and Taylor Swift won the most important awards. If there really was racism at play here, it's by the Grammys, as Zayn Malik and others claim (without evidence, FWIW). It's not our fault in reporting the news. But moreover, they're just two people – it's hard to force diversity with a group that small. If you randomly selected two people from the U.S., there's a good chance you'd get two white people pretty often. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 16:41, 15 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • For what it's worth, I'd support making this blurb extra-long and adding Beyonce to it, mostly because (a) as Masem says, that aspect is widely in the news, and (b) it would push off a stale item that's been on the main page for more than 2 weeks. --Floquenbeam (talk) 13:56, 15 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Avatar had a Chinese release last week and reclaimed it's spot as the highest grossing film of all time. We gonna post that too? Or maybe we should leave arbitrary milestones for another section and stick with the awards. --LaserLegs (talk) 15:15, 15 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I initially brought it up, retracted it, retired in shame and went to bed. But now that it's out there, yes. Selecting two pop stars from a widely-reported four major winners who just happen to not be H.E.R. and Megan Thee Stallion looks a bit...lopsided. InedibleHulk (talk) 23:13, 15 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I did some research I believe that the now WP:RENAMED user ixgysjijel is actually a time-traveling racist who deliberately selected which awards would be featured when the grammys were added in 2008, to prevent Beyonce from having a sliver of the front page of Wikipedia in addition to the relentless drumbeat of media coverage she gets. The username was likely scrambled by Nazi skynet to mask the identity of their agent and ensure their lasting damage to the Space time continueum. It can't possibly be that past discussions later found that album of the year and record of the year were most significant. This is a big deal, we can't be certain what other damage was done, and it might be best to scrap ITN/R all together. --LaserLegs (talk) 02:55, 16 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I think we already understood that you're opposed to Beyoncé being added to the ITN, per your two prior comments. The above comment is indeed well-researched, but a slight exaggeration and probably unnecessary... ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 03:28, 16 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't say it was intentionally racist, I said it looks a bit lopsided. A rap or R&B fan might see it as a slight to the genre, too. In any case, we could just as easily list all four actual winners (two songs, an artist, an album) next year, instead of arbitrarily excluding any just to attach singers to half. InedibleHulk (talk) 06:08, 16 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Archive-top These blurbs are now beyond stale, referencing events whose media coverage crested three weeks ago. Einsof (talk) 15:40, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Removing the blurbs would leave the main page unbalanced. We have to wait for new blurbs to be promoted. --Masem (t) 15:47, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Also, one way to do this would be to be less stringent about approving stuff to go onto ITN to replace these old items. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:59, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Regarding WaltCip's claim that "This is not something we do here": in fact I was directed to this page by the template at the top of WT:ITN, which says "Nominating a current item for removal? Go to Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates (WP:ITN/C)." So clearly it is something we do here. Einsof (talk) 16:04, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Not for the reason you gave. WaltCip-(talk) 16:14, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
There are no instructions on this page for what is or is not an acceptable reason to nominate an entry for removal, so I inferred from the general criteria set out in WP:ITN (specifically the obvious-sounding requirement that Template:Tq). If instructions about removal nominations exist somewhere else, where can I find them? Einsof (talk) 16:26, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Template:U — The longstanding problem is, many readers don't understand that In the News is not a source for news per se. Instead, it is a listing of Wikipedia articles about topics that are (or recently have been) in the news. To be listed in ITN, these topics must judged important or significant to a reasonably large share of readers or potential readers, and the articles must be up to date.
If you're looking for actual news sources that have proven to be reliable, try news agencies such as AP, BBC, Reuters – or try large newspapers in or near anyplace you're interested in. Does that help? – Sca (talk) 18:07, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Since this goes beyond one or two particular stale blurbs, I've started a more general discussion on the main ITN talk page here. Einsof (talk) 18:27, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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(Closed) 2021 Western Australian state election

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Oppose Very much a local incident of violent behavior. --Masem (t) 13:15, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Change blurb to Metropolitan Police officer remanded in custody, having been charged with the kidnapping and murder of Sarah Everard. A policeman being prosecuted for this high-profile crime is the most notable part of this event. We particularly shouldn't use blurb 1, because we don't know how she died & we don't want to be seen as prejudicing the suspect's trial. Jim Michael (talk) 14:49, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose as the 'blurb' is not supported by the known facts of the event covered by the article. We do not know what happened yet, there has not even been a trial, let lone a conviction for murder. And the arrests were unrelated to the topic of the article, they were apparently because of the danger being caused to the public resulting from hundreds of people breaking the Covid lockdown rules, and not for holding a vigil, many of which occurred peacefully across the rest of the UK without incident. -- DeFacto (talk). 16:04, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose I don't know what they were expecting would happen in a post-COVID world. WaltCip-(talk) 16:22, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose current blurb, but support in principle This IS getting international news – I'm from the US personally and this has gotten on my radar some through what we all recognize has been a very slow time for news. However, I have to agree that the story here is Everard's death; if the vigil arrests were significant enough, they should have their own article. Also, we should be very careful about terminology when right now the accused perpetrator is only a suspect. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 17:45, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I've added some altblurbs; let me know what y'all think. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 18:25, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support in principle per AllegedlyHuman. This is getting a fair amount of press on the other side of the pond, but I agree the blurb should be closer to Jim Michael's suggestion. -- Tavix (talk) 18:14, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose for uncertainty over whether this is pro-woman, anti-cop or COVID-related, but support all of our rights to walk the streets together or alone safely, in general. InedibleHulk (talk) 18:40, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Anti-male & anti-police placards were held by protesters. This is a major event for the police & public. Major politicians - including Boris Johnson, Priti Patel & Sadiq Khan - have commented on this case. Jim Michael (talk) 23:14, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Politicians always talk. No blurb mentions anti-male motivation at the protest or vigil, even implicitly, nor the article. Still seems uncertain to me. InedibleHulk (talk) 23:47, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
It's not rare for protesters at the same place & time to have varying grievances - it doesn't make it less notable. Jim Michael (talk) 09:27, 15 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment – This article seems favored by users who have adopted the death of Ms. Everard as a cause célèbre. That a police officer has been charged in the case is not proof of significance by ITN standards. – Sca (talk) 18:43, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb III per AllegedlyHuman. This is getting a lot of attention in international news, and the article looks good. Uses x (talk) 19:31, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    You don't mind that the allegedly good-looking article only mentions one protest of unspecified mass "outside Scotland Yard", contrary to Blurb III/IV? InedibleHulk (talk) 20:28, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Template:Reply to Online protests are happening as mentioned in the article, making the plural correct. That's a new addition which certainly needs to be extended. Uses x (talk) 03:12, 15 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    If you think a virtual protest is real enough to be called a protest, I'm not going to tell you you're wrong on the Internet. Maybe it is more than mundane keyboard warring, I'm not hip anymore. But it seems less substantial to me than what "sparking", "mass" or "protests" suggest actually happened in the physical realm. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:54, 15 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait, and keep the nomination open for a few days. It's too hard to assess the significance of this episode right now but it certainly has the potential of developing into a transformative metoo type moment for the UK. If the protests and the political fallout grow in the next couple of days, a blurb may become appropriate then. Nsk92 (talk) 20:30, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait we shouldn't post about non-notable people being arrested/charged per WP:BLP. And it's unclear whether this is going to attract lots of news or not. Also, it was one main vigil, and I virtual one, so protests seems the incorrect terminology. Joseph2302 (talk) 20:33, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The arrestee's name is stated prominently by many media sources. The case has already received a great deal of media coverage. There were vigils yesterday & today, as well as a protest today - each with hundreds of people illegally gathered in very close proximity. Jim Michael (talk) 21:16, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Sca above. Yakikaki (talk) 21:47, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support This is very much ITN, although why this case and not others draw more attention is puzzling. We shouldn't be debating whether or not something "should be news", but rather only evaluating if it is "in the news". Albertaont (talk) 04:01, 15 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I know how the news cycle and spring works, not complaining. Just concerned that the blurbs don't accurately reflect the news or the article. The general theme of this digital uprising is also getting a bit lost, the problem seems to used to be more about systemic sex predator inequality, like Home Alive, not cops again. InedibleHulk (talk) 04:21, 15 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not aware of there being a rule/guideline against high-profile (apparent) serious crimes being posted to ITN. I think it notable enough even before the trial. Jim Michael (talk) 11:11, 15 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Crimes, yes, depending on significance. Charges being filed against suspects, no – innocent until proven guilty. Convictions of suspects, yes, depending on significance. – Sca (talk) 12:38, 15 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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(Ready) Former Bolivian interim-president Jeanine Añez arrested

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RD: Marvelous Marvin Hagler

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  • Oppose the current version based on sourcing. There are several sections missing in-line citations. TJMSmith (talk) 02:34, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose like TJSmith says, too many ILCs missing right now. CommanderWaterford (talk) 21:33, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Suppport while the article's development seems mired in wiki-argument, there's a bedrock, and it behooves you to recognise one of the significant athletes of the 20th century.
  • I came here from the talk page. I think Hagler is probably more famous than say, Sabine Schmitz, rip, so what we are waiting for and why is this debate is still being had.

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Template:Archivetop Template:ITN candidate Support And I interrupt yourself to bring you this ..... unless I'm very much mistaken ... I am very much mistaken .... with half the race to gone, there's still half the race to go. One of my most favourite sporting commentators of all time. On a spot check, article looks in okay enough shape. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 18:25, 13 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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User:AllegedlyHuman Frankly, I am perplexed. I don't see anything that fits this criticism. If I did I would remove it. If you don't like whatever, perhaps you could remove the offending passage(s)? Thank you 7&6=thirteen () 18:20, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Here's just a handful of the many that are there:
  • "Simon travelled solo globally for the show, searching for hidden clues to some of history's most nightmarish myths."
  • "From a very young age, Cliff aspired to be the first South African swimmer to win an Olympic Gold medal."
  • "His mother, a swimming teacher, taught him from a very young age, and at age 6 he began to show talent as a gymnast."
  • "After his military service, he danced and performed in cabaret and stage shows in South Africa before he was offered a coveted spot in the chorus at Paris's Moulin Rouge, becoming a principal dancer after six months."
This article just oozes with flowery language in support of him. It reads almost like a press release, not an encyclopedia article. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 18:32, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. I've edited all that down or out. Cheers. 7&6=thirteen () 18:52, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support Article is in better shape; good work. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 21:35, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
This is now about as well sourced as I think possible. I also believe it is fully updated and in good and proper form. I would note that the page has gotten 75,000 views in the last three days. There seems to be reader interest. 7&6=thirteen () 16:17, 15 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Really User:Sunshineisles2 tagged as "problem sentences" due to "excessive citations" and you chose not to fix it. This article is fine. The citations are all fine, other than their number. They are real citations to real articles. The decision apparently is that you don't want this "in the news" and that it will become stale and evaporate. Problem will then be resolved. 7&6=thirteen () 17:51, 16 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I've already explained to you on my talk page why I tagged it. It wasn't practicable for me to go through the sources and pare them down at that time. That's all. I don't know where you're getting this idea that anyone is trying to purposefully trying to slow down this nomination or that somebody doesn't want this article on the main page.--Sunshineisles2 (talk) 17:54, 16 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I was unaware of what you put on your talk page. I guess they crossed in the mail. I'll take a look and reply there. Thanks. 7&6=thirteen () 17:59, 16 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I was going to add User:Sunshineisles2 as an updater. Someone beat me to it. Very helpful! 7&6=thirteen () 20:17, 16 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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(Closed) Antikythera mechanism

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  • Oppose If true, this discovery is very cool, and there's a lot of great info in the article about the device generally – but there's currently only one line about this event in text. Sending this article to the Main Page in its current form would leave readers wanting more. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 04:11, 13 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose, although very nice research, this is an incremental update to the knowledge about the device. In such cases, only the discovery would be an ITN story, I think. Also, the update is short. --Tone 09:57, 13 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Is there an objection to linking to a paper under a CC-BY-4.0 license? Enquire (talk) 21:57, 13 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not really sure what you mean. If you're talking about for a source, you could use even a copyrighted work; however, images have to be under CC or similar license. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 06:15, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support The article is very nice, and the topic is in the BBC and Guardian, as well as scientific journals from Science and AAS. While the update is incremental, it does relate to the world's first known computer, which gives it a superlative appeal.130.233.213.199 (talk) 06:17, 15 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. This is a fascinating object but the new research is incremental. They're making an improved/updated proposal for what the missing bits were (only about a third of the mechanism survived), which is fine but essentially informed guesswork. There have been multiple proposals by several competing teams, some of which have constructed working reproductions of their proposals, so it's misleading to call this the 'first complete model'. The new work is nowhere near as big an advance as the 2008 study, which performed the first CT scan of the fragments. Modest Genius talk 12:12, 16 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Beeple's Everydays auction

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  • Comment Isn't this more geared towards Did You Know? The fact that Christie's sold an NFT for the first time seems more trivial than groundbreaking news. rawmustard (talk) 15:02, 12 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • There's several "records" here, and while the sale of NFT at Christie's is one and that better suited at DYK, we're talking the price of a work of art, which we have posted as blurbs before when they are noted as record-setting. --Masem (t) 15:08, 12 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Sui generis art news.--WaltCip-(talk) 15:31, 12 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support article based on quality and coverage of event in news sources, oppose blurb for now given that it seems to be burying the lead here. The newsworthiness of the event doesn't seem to be that it is the "third most-expensive piece of art sold by a living artist", which is far too many qualifiers on a superlative to be interesting, but rather that this seems to represent a watershed in the sale of digital artworks; the fact that this was a sale of a non-fungible token rather than a physical piece of canvas is what makes it stand out. I'm afraid I don't know enough about the technical aspects here to be of much help, but it would be nice to have a blurb that highlights this and ios able to explain it for a lay person like myself. --Jayron32 17:20, 12 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose I don't think this is important enough for ITN - there's no stand-alone article either for the work or the auction, and there probably shouldn't be. I also think this is crypto-hype - the buyer was someone in the business of selling NFTs and they have a vested interest in inflating the price beyond its actual value. power~enwiki (π, ν) 19:05, 12 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I think the nomination has potential and the news seems to be good ITN material but I can't support it when there's no article about the work of art. And no, bolding the artist's article can't compensate as it's the work of art that sells for a record price.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 21:36, 12 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose While the work is eye-catchy, "third most-expensive " is meh compared to the most expensive which is postable. Brandmeistertalk 21:55, 12 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support article, oppose blurb. Again, the big story is the NFT angle. Maybe something like "The first non-fungible token to be sold by a legacy auction house, Everydays: the First 5000 Days by Beeple, is sold for $69 million at Christie's." If anyone can make that snappier, it would be better. Mcrsftdog (talk) 00:16, 13 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose One of my person rules is "If you're having trouble making a blurb that sounds noteworthy, that should tell you something." What you have here is two stories: the rapid emergence of NFTs and the explosion in art prices. The convergence here hints at something both we and the RS are not allowed to say (lets call them "creative financial instruments"), which leaves us with a story we want to broadcast but cannot frame. GreatCaesarsGhost 13:55, 13 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support in principle, per above, but with a different blurb. Apart from the usual considerations, we also really need new stories to refresh a rather tired ITN box at the moment. —Brigade Piron (talk) 16:59, 13 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose You heard the Ghost, mum's the word, see? InedibleHulk (talk) 19:57, 13 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, with Mcrsftdog's blurb, which adequately highlights the significance. -- Tavix (talk) 18:21, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Agree that the NFT angle is required to give this significance. Although I think this is just a re-imagining of Bowie bonds, it is the only actual novel angle to an otherwise routine auction.130.233.213.199 (talk) 06:22, 15 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I've added an altblurb but I can't say that it's much snappier than what was suggested above. Removing the sale amount or venue might improve, and it would be good to improve "legacy auction house".130.233.213.199 (talk) 06:27, 15 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Update done. Oceanh (talk) 00:33, 13 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Of the sources on that section on fr.wiki, [26] is an interview that doesn't say much, [27] is a blog, [28] is probably good source but too technical/specific for mine and Google Translate's understanding, and [29] and [30] don't even mention him. We shouldn't therefore be comparing the content with porr sourcing on French Wikipedia. Joseph2302 (talk) 21:47, 11 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Support Developments in the past day (infection of government agencies, software companies, and critical infrastructure) make this impactful. Comment certainly notable, but the impact isn't clear enough yet to warrant a blurb. "Every possible victim that hadn't patched by mid-to-end of last week has already been hit by at least one or several actors" [1], and this is a widely used product even in critical infrastructure, so this isn't going away. Uses x (talk) 00:35, 11 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment The article has issues, and will be until some decent article about the mechanism of the attack is written. Was it a targeted thing? Bulk scanning script kiddies? There is no such thing as an "individual" exchange server I don't know what that even means. "giving them access to victims' entire networks" needs clarification since DMZ networks and internal firewalls have been a thing for 15 years it's fairly unlikely that's true. Software isn't "especially susceptible" either it's a binary thing either the vulnerability exists or it doesn't. The story is interesting, we could probably post it, but the article needs work. --LaserLegs (talk) 01:45, 11 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Template:Re The adjectival form is probably a poor choice. I originally meant to refer to Exchange Servers "belonging to" both individuals and enterprises. With that being in the negative in the CNN's coverage, however, I'll change it in the lede and maybe do with a brief mention in the prose with the financial times affirming it. The relativized statement is also on my end. It was to emphasize the obscurity of the mechanism. But your concerns are valid. See Template:Diff2. Assem Khidhr (talk) 10:44, 11 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Template:Reply to Done. Uses x (talk) 23:07, 11 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Another week, another security breach. What makes this special? Article states that this was reported on March 5th, a US government task force was planned for March 7th, and this vulnerability was recognized even earlier by Microsoft back in January. What actually happened on the nomination date (March 9)?130.233.213.199 (talk) 06:26, 11 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Please see WP:ITNCRIT; it happening recently isn't part of the critera, the requirement is that it's 'in the news' because of recent developments. Time since it was originally reported is only critera for RD. Uses x (talk) 07:51, 11 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    A bizarre comment. Widespread security breaches like this do not, in fact, happen all the time. --WaltCip-(talk) 13:07, 11 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Everything (snowstorms, hurricanes, mass murders, riots, protests, cyberattacks) happens all the time in America, I guess? Howard the Duck (talk) 14:12, 11 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
We're working on it. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 19:53, 12 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support the article is well written from the information currently available. This is one of the biggest companies in the world, and 250k people is quite a lot to be affected. Combined with the fact that ITN really needs to be refreshed (we have an item on there from 19 February), this article is good enough for ITN IMO. Joseph2302 (talk) 13:26, 11 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Oppose The scope of this is the issue - this isn't like the past cyberattacks (like the Ukraine ransomware) and it has been a slowly developing story because it requires more effort by those attacking to actually get in and compromise and maintain the compromised system. There are fallouts from it, but for example, there haven't been private information breaches yet (or discussed in the article), loss of data, etc; the only thing that we have documented is the ability to spy and monitor affected systems and potential to run cryptomininig software on them. Its clearly an IT concern, but its far from being a major problem and the fact that this isn't a frequent headline story shows that this isn't really a major story. But I do appreciate that we are looking to add a blurb since we haven't added one for a while; we just can't force one. --Masem (t) 14:10, 11 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Template:Reply to I agree that not enough info is out to warrant a blurb yet. The attack is actually very straightforward (I've updated the article to reflect this) and it's been implicated in downloading every email and email address + password combination from undisclosed companies, being used by hackers in social engineering attacks, as well as silently installing backdoors with admin privileges, so personally I'm expecting a lot more to come out about this in the next few days. Uses x (talk) 21:33, 11 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment – Not widely covered. EV? – Sca (talk) 15:40, 11 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose Limited long-term impact (it's not as if all of these organizations are being shut down), but "weak" due to the good quality of the article. SpencerT•C 19:14, 11 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Template:Reply to A lot of developments have happened over the past day, which I've added to the article; this is looking like it'll have long-term impact, especially since it's targeting small and medium businesses without large IT budgets. Coverage has also improved in the media, entering mainstream news. Uses x (talk) 23:33, 11 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Article is in good shape. I've also added an altblurb. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 19:20, 11 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support alt 3 Topic is notable enough, and wording in the 3rd blurb is far better than others. Tucker Gladden 👑 04:03, 12 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I can't agree here - the breach didn't take down the servers. In fact, the hackers didn't even want the machines to go down. The admins took them down, for fear of having to explain to their superiors why they didn't heed blunt messages from Microsoft and the US government to update their software for the past 3 months. Buck passing. A more accurate blurb could be "Enterprise IT consultants neglect their jobs, blame China".130.233.213.199 (talk) 06:03, 12 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Template:U, do you have a reliable source to back up that information? Tucker Gladden 👑 06:18, 12 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose script kiddies bulk scanned a 0-day to install coin miners, nothing coordinated or significant here. State sponsored cyber terrorists maybe. If there article described the technical details of the mechanism of the attack it might be worth posting like the heartbleed thing that team Linux had a few years ago. Currently it's branded as either a "cyber attack" or a "data breach" but we've used those labels in the past for deliberate, coordinated events which isn't what happened here. --LaserLegs (talk) 11:27, 12 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Template:Reply to It's now being used to deploy ransomware starting from today, as predicted, so it goes beyond crypto mining (which only one of the at least 10 APT groups is known to do). I don't think the simplicity of the attack is reason to understate it, I think the volume of the attack is what's important. Uses x (talk) 13:18, 12 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    20 years ago they'd install toolbars and botnets, 10 years ago it was coin miners and today it's ransomware. This is the IT equivalent of running through a parking lot checking for unlocked vehicles. I'm interested in the attack vector (seems there was a long running issue in OWA?) if that is unusual, the targets (if it were a deliberate targeted attack) or the perpetrators (state actors for example). The vector is interesting from an IT perspective arbitrary code execution exploits are rarer and rarer but otherwise there is no indication that this is anything other than mass vandalism. That's my #twocents anyway but I'm wrong a lot. --LaserLegs (talk) 13:40, 12 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"State sponsored terrorists, maybe" is a funny way to describe a story that is, in your view, unimportant. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 19:54, 12 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support (Alt Blurb III) – This event is clearly notable enough for an ITN posting. This is a GLOBAL cyberattack that affected numerous servers. (Oh, and anyone who opposes this because it started in the United States is out of their damn mind. For you folks, I suppose that anything that happens in the US is business as usual? What utter nonsense! And the US is a Superpower, mind you, so anything of great significance in the US is significant on the global stage.) This cyberattack affected numerous national governments as well – definitely a significant event. Also, the article appears to be in good shape. Alt Blurb III is clearly the best option out of them all, so I say that we should go with that one. LightandDark2000 🌀 (talk) 20:11, 12 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support (Blurb 3) per LightandDark. This is a really significant event. CodingCyclone [citation needed] 20:34, 12 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb as written. Clearly a major event with its own well-developed article. Einsof (talk) 15:56, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted Alt3. Although I weak opposed the item, there is consensus to post, and this article has been ready for a while. SpencerT•C 19:50, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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However, it's looking more serious in terms of deaths. Toll upped to 31. – Sca (talk) 20:15, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The death toll is reported as 98. Jim Michael (talk) 21:22, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I updated the original blurb. Elijahandskip (talk) 22:38, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The lack of media coverage isn't surprising; it happened in a little-known country in C Africa. Most of the media are biased, but we shouldn't be. Jim Michael (talk) 16:18, 10 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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There are citations for every paragraph. I expect that the NY Times will carry his obituary, which should reinforce it. I recognize we are in 'fly over country,' but it does not diminish his contribution, which I will continue to expand upon. His record is worthwhile and merits a blurb... IMO 7&6=thirteen () 01:05, 7 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I'll be the first person in line to call out anti-Midwest bias where I see it... but the fact is, nothing about this person merits a blurb. Per WP:ITNRD, Template:Tq. Kelley was neither a world leader nor transformative. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 03:13, 7 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
User:power~enwiki You may not like the 'peacock language' but all of the sources and their notable contributors use it. It is a Verifiable fact; not something I made up. On an ad hoc basis, the Alt blurb would make the posting understandable and interesting. 7&6=thirteen () 19:11, 9 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I still don't think you understand what "blurb" means. Blurbs are the news items posted on In the News as shown on the main page (current example: Template:Tq). Recent deaths are the section under that, and only the name is mentioned – no additional text. On rare occasions where an individual is notable enough that their death is itself a news event, they can have a line on their death posted in the news section, but the vast majority are just listed as Recent Deaths. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 00:40, 10 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
So get rid of the blurb and do a redirect. He is dead. You apparently have nothing to say about the state of the article. 7&6=thirteen () 12:55, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
You must be new here; "RD" stands for "Recent Deaths" and not "Redirect" on this page. As you seem to agree that it's not a suitable candidate for a blurb, I've removed it from the header. And I said that there's "peacock language" (Template:Tq - which is only really true about the state of Michigan), which is about the state of the article. power~enwiki (π, ν) 17:55, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Neutral on RD - re the above comment if you're going to propose a blurb for an obscure person (I mean, is he really Thatcher/Mandela ballpark when it comes to being transformative?) then don't complain if people oppose (or indeed support) that blurb request. Anyway, looking at the quality I think it's almost OK. My main reservation is that for a 38-year career as attorney general, that section is extremely light on anything he achieved. The stuff about "consumer protection and environmental protection", and the tobacco thing are maybe enough for me not to oppose, but I really think a few more achievements from his time in office should be added for this to be considered a properly representative article. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 13:08, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I wasn't complaining. I was trying to take into account the concerns expressed above. I'll add some more achievements. 7&6=thirteen () 14:41, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I've rewritten the whole article. IMO, I've addressed the problems noted. He was transformative and noteable. I do think he merits a blurb (see Alternate blurb), but I also know he merits a redirect. 7&6=thirteen () 16:02, 9 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak support for RD only. Mostly appears to be sourced now, though I'm not a big fan of the bullet-pointed "achievements" or what appears to be some overly flowery language ("He successfully became a beacon to the state, and an advisor, inspiration and highly-valued mentor", "He was a consistent and effective opponent of highway advertising billboards", "Famously, he fought..."). That sort of thing is fine when attributed, but these are in Wikipedia's voice. No blurb obviously, far too obscure for that. Black Kite (talk) 19:20, 9 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
All of the quoted material is in/from the sources. Much of it is directly quoted in the footnotes. There was a demand for a list of achievements. It was done to satisfy the criticism. 7&6=thirteen () 19:36, 9 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Of course, but you need to attribute it. We don't say "X was a brilliant person" in Wikipedia's voice, we say "The Daily Paper described X as "a brilliant person"". Black Kite (talk) 00:17, 10 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
It was all attributed to persons, not just generic 'newspaper' and extensively quoted in the notes section, all of which is sourced It would help if you read that. But I've said all there is to say. It is being covered nationally.

He was elected president of the National Association of Attorneys General, becoming the only Michigan attorney general so honored. He was cited by all 50 states attorneys general as being the attorney general who most furthered the cause of justice in the United States; and he was elected president of the National Association of Attorneys General, becoming the only Michigan attorney general so honored.[2] Cheers. 7&6=thirteen () 15:51, 10 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Then site the source: "According to the Michigan State University College of Law, Kelley was named by all 50 state attorneys general in 2018 who most furthered the cause of justice..." or however that needs to be worded. The claim "Kelley was named by all 50 state attorneys general..." alone without some pointer to where and when they stated that or who compiled that is a violation of BLP/NPOV, but can be attributed in-line to fix it. --Masem (t) 17:02, 10 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • I certainly appreciate the time and effort put into this article in recent days and while it might technically be well-sourced enough to post to RD, I also echo the concerns of Template:U and Template:U about the tone and structure of the article, which seems to go against our MOS guidelines. Connormah (talk) 18:56, 10 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I've copy edited it. Someone once said that the definition of insanity is repeatedly doing the same acts, and expecting a different result. Die Entführung aus dem Serail. If the edits are not satisfactory, I presume some enterprising editor could contribute. But I am guessing that is a vain hope, and I am not insane. Sorry to have wasted your time. 7&6=thirteen () 20:05, 10 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted to RD Not thrilled about the structure of the career section in the article (e.g. bullet points with unclear dates rather than prose), but consensus to post and meets minimum standards. SpencerT•C 23:56, 11 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Mogadishu bombing

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Template:U I wouldn't even agree for "just a general" with an article. I would really only see it be posted if it was the top headline in a lot of RS (aka it would have to be a better story for the media than politics) or if a countries top brass had a member die (For America, like one of the 6 members of the General staff, aka the top from each branch). Elijahandskip (talk) 11:39, 5 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, I meant that an article about the general would be posted as an RD, not that it would merit this crash posting. 331dot (talk) 11:41, 5 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oh. My bad. Elijahandskip (talk) 12:23, 5 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Article quality is sufficient, and there's evidence of significant news coverage. --Jayron32 13:09, 5 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose due to it not being notable enough for ITN. It's notable enough for an article, but there's nothing that makes it of interest to ITN. An ordinary military crash with a low death toll is nothing remarkable, unless the crash is caused deliberately, or civilians are also killed - neither of which is the case in this instance. Jim Michael (talk) 13:44, 5 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose – Per previous and others. Not noticeably in the news either. (Also, pic shows German chopper, not a Turkish-owned one.) – Sca (talk) 14:05, 5 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • The caption on image says "A AS532 Cougar, similar to the helicopter that crashed"- I'm guessing we don't have an image of a Turkish one, but the German one is the same model? Joseph2302 (talk) 16:45, 5 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The same model in different national markings doesn't illustrate the article. (BTW, the AS532 is a French-made helicopter, not German.)Sca (talk) 23:28, 5 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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  • The only way I would switch to support is if enough content about it emerges that it warrant multiple paragraphs in the general 2021 Myanmar protests article, or it becomes notable enough for an independent article that is more than just a stub. Neither of which looks remotely like happening right now. Joseph2302 (talk) 13:14, 4 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Template:Reply to The fatality count has been updated in the article, with a number verified by the United Nations Human Rights chief. I've expanded the fatalities to list 3 people (all I could find info on), one of whom is a politician from the opposition party which is notable. US Secretary of State Antony Blinken has announced sanctions specifically over the deaths (added to the article), and the deaths are fueling further protests, so the deaths themselves are notable. Uses x (talk) 04:10, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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I assessed the situation as improved, but thank you for the clarification. --hydrox (talk) 01:36, 3 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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  • This is important enough to post & easily important enough for an article - regardless of its location. It was a serious crime as well as an accident. Had the SUV driver survived, he'd have very likely been sent to prison for years. He squeezed 25 people (including himself) into a vehicle made for 8, in which most of the seats had been removed to cram more people in. Even if the victims were neither illegal immigrants nor working illegally, the circumstances make this an unusual crash. Jim Michael (talk) 13:09, 3 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Nope. It's an overloaded vehicle and some people died. If this had happened anywhere but the US it would just be dismissed as "meh, another road traffic accident because people were being stupidly negligent". The article is flimsy "an accident happened, the road was closed, someone said it was sad, people are being informed". This has practically no encyclopedic value: it wouldn't make the top 50,000 news stories of the year. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 14:17, 3 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Briefly in the news in California but of no major significance.--WaltCip-(talk) 13:55, 3 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. I know we desperately need blurbs to post, but this stub might not even pass WP:EVENT, let alone have enough significance to justify posting in ITN. If we had a blurb for every car crash with ~a dozen deaths, ITN would be a continual stream of bus and coach crashes from around the world. Modest Genius talk 14:05, 3 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Ping Template:Ping References and lead text added. Vacant0 (talk) 20:36, 2 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support, thanks.-- P-K3 (talk) 20:42, 2 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Great, thanks. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:12, 2 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Ping There are still some sentences that need to be sourced such as the ones under "Club career and Early years". Rest of the article seems perfectly fine. If this gets fixed I'll be changing my vote to Support. Vacant0 (talk) 18:28, 1 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Template:Ping I've had a good go at trying to find sources for Early years section, but seem to be failing there for some reason, and struggling with the language barrier, the club career, I've added a few more sources. I feel the article is good enough for ITN RD. But that's my opinion. I really have tried hard to make the article better today. Cheers. Govvy (talk) 20:08, 1 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Template:Ping I managed to find some sources. The article is well-sourced now. Vacant0 (talk) 20:18, 1 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support Article is sourced now and suitable for ITN. Vacant0 (talk) 20:18, 1 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Ah, yes, I might support posting the conviction of a former head of state, especially for conduct while in office, but as Jayron ably notes below, there are other issues. 331dot (talk) 14:56, 1 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose: There are two bolded articles. One (on the trial) is insufficiently short, and the other (Sarkozy's bio itself) barely mentions the most recent developments, and has almost no coverage of the trial itself. There's nothing as yet worth posting on the main page. If either or both of these problems are fixed, I will re-assess the quality of the articles. Right now, we don't have anything worth posting. --Jayron32 14:20, 1 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Template:Ping, your !vote sounds like a wait instead of an oppose. You should change it as an oppose seems more like you fully oppose the topic on ITN rather than article quality. Elijahandskip (talk) 14:52, 1 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
No, it's an oppose vote, because we should not post articles which are not up to quality. I have not ever opposed a "topic" on ITN, and I don't plan to any time in the future. Article quality and coverage by reliable sources are the only criteria I use when assessing the appropriateness for the main page. This one does not have quality articles, so I will oppose it until such time as it does have quality articles. --Jayron32 14:55, 1 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on the quality issues of the articles above. The trial article is far too short as standalone and feels it belongs inside one of the Sarkozy's main articles, but Sarkozy's article is woefully undersourced too. In principal, the conviction and sentencing of a former world leader - even if that sentence is likely to be commuted - is still ITN worthy material but this has a ways to go to get there. --Masem (t) 15:32, 1 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support – pending article improvement — Widely covered as the significant conviction of the former head of govt. of a major state on criminal charges stemming from events while he was in office. Two former associates also convicted. That Sarkozy probably won't serve actual jail time is beside the point. – Sca (talk) 16:35, 1 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Support pending improvements Head of state sentenced to jail time, big [bleep]ing deal. Articles need to be better per Sca, Masem et al, but once thats done absolutely This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 16:47, 1 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support on principle, oppose on quality It is extremely rare for a former G8 head of state to be sentenced to a jail term, so I believe this is significant enough for ITN. Regrettably, the trial article is not sufficient quality, and Sarkozy's article is lacking a ton of citations in the political career section. NorthernFalcon (talk) 17:28, 1 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support if blurb is revised. I will eat my chapeau if he does a single day in prison; I don’t want the casual reader to come away with the recollection that Sarko went to jail when we don’t know that. However I do find the conviction itself noteworthy regardless of what happens next and pending referencing, strongly support a blurb that just mentions the conviction. Innisfree987 (talk) 18:16, 1 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong support on significance, currently oppose on quality. I would recommend merging the corruption trial page into Nicolas Sarkozy — Preceding unsigned comment added by Osunpokeh (talkcontribs) 20:43, 1 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - But he's appealing against the conviction. STSC (talk) 16:35, 2 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - The article on the criminal case itself is a stub that could be written on one page of a diary. Unfortunately none of Wikipedia's politics buffs have had the interest in a case involving the former head of state of a G8 country that they had in the Anthony Weiner sexting scandals (48k), Timeline of Rob Ford video scandal (128k) or Traingate (31k) Unknown Temptation (talk) 21:03, 2 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support in principle, oppose on quality. Sarkozy's article has one short paragraph on this topic, and the stand-alone article is a stub with barely any more information. Given the reams of sources on this high-profile case and trial, there really should be more substantive content before posting. If that can be fixed, the conviction of a recent ex-President seems highly significant and worthy of posting. Modest Genius talk 14:09, 3 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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