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@PenulisHantu:Somehow I didn't get a notice from your first notice and you didn't post anything on the talk page of correspondent article. So there was no way I could reply you, and your edit comment was simply the maps comes from a US security agency, which has nothing to do with the issue. So the only thing I could do was thinking that was trolling and revert it. By the way removal of POV content compliant with wikipolicy and has nothing to do with unconstructiveness, so pls stop that. --173.68.165.114 (talk) 06:35, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

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Wa State

Are you sure you meant Mēng Hmae Street and Nām Dēeg Street? Do you have a source or the Chinese/Wa names? I think "street" may be a mistranslation. CentreLeftRight ✉ 20:55, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

@CentreLeftRight: It is mentioned in Chinese Wikipedia, and the reference points to the official WeChat account of Wa State, Myanmar. I am not very clear about how the reliable source criteria in Wikipedia works: officially social media accounts are not reliable (of course!), but on the other hand Trump's Twitter has been quoted many times. I have no idea whether Wa State meets the same criteria for Trump.

This hermit state has copied a lot of systems from its people's republic neighbor. So when I saw 新地方街 and 南邓街 in Chinese Wikipedia I felt no surprise, given a similar division called 街道 in China. 街道 was "translated" (linked) with "subdistricts" in the Chinese case, but for the Wa State case we're not totally sure about their administrative hierarchy, so I have tentatively applied a literal translation ("Street") of the Mandarin term (I don't know the Wa term of 街, otherwise I'd directly use that term). It is actually not that counter-intuitive: in a lot of valley area due to the geographic limitation towns cannot develop freely, resulting in a number of long-and-thin one-street-cities.

Long terms speaking, some districts in Mong Hmae may keep their Mandarin transcription names (due to the extensive 19th/early 20th century Chinese influence) and some southern districts in northern Wa State may be transcribed with Dai/Shan name (for those area the Chinese/Dai/Shan name might be more established than the Wa name for the Wa locals), but for all other places we'd better use as much Wa name as possible. One good way is to watch the official Wa State news channel in Wa and catch place names one by one but that's somewhat beyond my ability (and energy).

Mong Hmae Street seemed to cover the same territory as Mouig Nu Township does, with the former rules the urban area while the latter rules the rural area. For how complicated the situation could be, refer zh:街道办事处#辖区重叠 for an analogy. --173.68.165.114 (talk) 00:01, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

@CentreLeftRight and 173.68.165.114: Hi there! I come from Mangshi, very close to Wa state, and we have many of the same customs. Based on my life daily knowledge, the "街" in 新地方街 and 南邓街 is different from the subdistrict in China. We (Yunnanese) called "Gaizi" (街子) refer to a small town or fair, such as Zhefang Gai (遮放街)[1]. It is the local Han Chinese dialect word, we have called "Gaizi" hundreds of years. But the administrative division "街道" (subdistrict) in China is the new thing. So the "南邓街" is just a place name, not a division name. I think the translation "street" is just okay, but not totally the same as the English meaning. For the Wa language name, I can offer the name recorded in 佤汉大词典 (Wa - Chinese Dictionary) edited by Wang Jingliu (王敬骝) - here. And the last thing, "辖区重叠" is uncommon in Yunnan, it could be found in Beijing or other super big metropolitans.--Xiliuheshui · chat 22:13, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

I have added some of the Wa name based on this dictionary, the reference format can be found in Mong Pawk, Mongmao Township, Namtit Subtownship, etc.--Xiliuheshui · chat 22:16, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

@瑞丽江的河水 and CentreLeftRight: Thank you Xiliuheshui for providing the dictionary. Concerning the above comments sorry I kind of only agree with the Gaizi part. For example, the Menghuan Subdistrict (urban/downtown Mangshi) and the town of Mangshi, Mangshi can be roughly understood as "辖区重叠" although these two subdivisions has demarcated their border and now drawn independently on the map. On low resolution maps people may put both downtown Mangshi and Mangshi, Mangshi in the same color and put a note that the former administrates the urban center while the latter administrates the suburban/outer urban. Yinhe Subdistrict and Ruihong Subdistrict used to be geographically within Mongmao (town), Mongmao (city) but administratively independent, and has now been merged with Mongmao (town), Mongmao (city). Had any of the above situation resulted in a slightly fuzzier boundary to be impractical to drawn on the map they will be interpreted as "辖区重叠". Nowadays such practice has been rarely applied anymore to avoid confusions as you can see they are changing the entire Mongmao (town) into Mongmao Subdistrict regardless urban/rural distinction. Moreover, the dictionary you provided here explicitly stated that Wa State has "街道" abbreviated to “街” - "南邓街" is both a place name and a division name. "Gai" (街, street) refering to a town or fair is common to a lot of Southern Chinese area, but most frequently for long-and-thin one-street-cities in gorge terrain - not just for Yunnan. Check, for example, 南平街 (Nanping Jie/Namping Gai). --173.68.165.114 (talk) 03:28, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

If you consist thought the 辖区重叠 of the example in Mangshi and Ruili, I don't mind. I haven't seen the map that takes the fuzzy boundary you said. For 南邓街, you can understand as 行政村. In China, it is not an administrative division but a grassroot self-government organization. Sometimes 行政村 is considered as a division, but the 街 in 南邓街 is not a division general name (政区通名). 南邓街 should be one of the five villages under 南邓乡. And I didn't see the dictionary stated that Wa State has the division general name "街道" abbreviated to "街", where is it? If the street name "街道" abbreviated to "街", I have no doubt. I only know the custom about Yunnan, so I just said Yunnan. Wa state published a book Annals of Wa State, Union of Burma (缅甸联邦佤邦志) in 2018, I know a book store in Kunming has the stock, asking price of 800 RMB. I think all the problem could be solved if we get the book.--Xiliuheshui · chat 11:37, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

I saw your new edits in Wa state, I have no doubt about County-level and District-level in the table. But I keep my opinion in Township and Village level. The dictionary didn't state clearly, we can't make the conclusion yet.--Xiliuheshui · chat 12:10, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

1. My understanding is that both "township-level" and "village-level" in "Wa State" are not formal administrative divisions but grassroot self-government organizations. Wa "乡" corresponds to Chinese "行政村" while Wa "村" corresponds to Chinese "村民小组", as for a highly rural, relatively sparsely populated area of Wa it's definitely not practical to maintain a four-level division system.
2. "街道" is not abbreviated to "街". The dictionary you mentioned explicitly listed a "街道" as a district-level division, although the formal division general name (政区通名) is not certain (but if not, the general name would be "office"). This actually is similar to the Chinese scenario: for Meong Huan Avenue Office/勐焕街道办事处 you can either understand "Meong Huan勐焕" to be the 专名 while "Avenue街道" to be the 通名, or understand "Meong Huan Avenue勐焕街道" to be the 专名 while "Office办事处" to be the 通名. I know the latter might be weird but let's see the case of 社区 (community), Beijing considers "Community社区" to be division general name (政区通名) while "residents' committee居委会" to be the organizing office, while Shanghai considers "Community社区" to be part of the proper noun (专名) while "residents' committee居委会" to be the division general name (政区通名) - in a recent practice Shanghai dropped all "Community社区" from the proper noun (专名), resulting "XX community residents' committee XX社区居委会" to become "XX residents' committee XX居委会". In order words, when Beijing says "York Ville Urbangovernment"/"Urbangovernment of the Ville of York", Shanghai says "Yorkville Urbangovernment" and then change it to "York Urbangovernment".
3. For township and village level, you're right that that dictionary was not very clear so I cannot be sure whether Avenue (ndaex laih / 街道) should be placed in district-level with a township-level gap or in township-level with a district-level gap. Since district-level is the major level in "Wa State" I'd place it there for now. Similar issue is here for Town (镇 / “jēng”) - whether it is township-level or village-level is uncertain and whether it has village-level subdivision is also uncertain.
4. I checked a dictionary:
   • Avenue (ndaex laih / 街道) means "in market/街里"; "ndaex laih XX" means "in market XX/XX街里";
   • Township (ndaex eeng / 乡) means "in block";
   • Street (laih / 街) means "market/街子";

   and as we all know vēing means city城 albeit being a rural-type division, and yaong means village寨.

5. @CentreLeftRight: So I propose to change the English translation to be In-market, On-block and Market while keep the Chinese translation of "district". Any suggestion to make it sound more natural? "Noung Lai Sing On-block" sounds super weird to me. Maybe "Noung Lai Sing Ndaexblock"? --173.68.165.114 (talk) 06:23, 5 March 2021 (UTC)

I do translations for Chinese comics and one important aspect is the localization. I personally do not like using literal translations because different dialects can produce confusing translations. So if there is no precedent (i.e. an existing English translation) then it's up to you how you want to translate it to English. However, even though the Chinese literally means "in block", "in street", etc. those words together in English don't mean anything, so a direct translation might not be the best. CentreLeftRight ✉ 07:26, 5 March 2021 (UTC)

@CentreLeftRight:I think there's some confusion here: the Chinese doesn't literally mean "in block", "in street", etc. Indeed the current translation "Avenue"/"Township"/"Street" are literal translation from Standard Mandarin (not even from Southwestern Mandarin), and my proposal was to switch to a literal translation from Wa. I appreciate your idea that literal translation should be avoided but we are in a scenerio choosing between a literal translation from Chinese and a literal translation from Wa. My idea is that only Wa and Dai names for low-level divisions should be referred (although for the name of "Wa State" itself I suggest Burmese and Chinese names count, for a reason I'll point out in the future). The "Wa State" seemed to have tried to make the Chinese names (such as 街道) resemble to that of the Chinese counterparts, which did make them sound familiar in Chinese, except that they really aren't and are by no means similar. As 瑞丽江的河水 (talk · contribs) pointed out, both Wa 街道 (ndaex laih) and 街 (laih) are remarkably different from subdistricts of China. It's kind of a necessity to coin some natural English names for those Wa language concepts. --173.68.165.114 (talk) 02:24, 7 March 2021 (UTC)

Regardless of whether we're talking about Wa or Chinese, my point was just that I agree a proper English translation is needed, but the current suggestions sound odd. It may be better just to use the literal Wa names and write them in italics. For example, in Hong Kong "和你宵" doesn't translate well into English because it literally means "our evening" but it's supposed to mean "our night market". However, "our night market" also sounds weird, so the Jyutping romanization of Cantonese was agreed upon instead, wo lei siu. However, I think the rest of the editors here are more informed on the nuances than me, so I will leave the discussion between you lot from now on. I don't think I can offer any other meaningful suggestions if you consult me anyways. All the best, CentreLeftRight ✉ 02:41, 7 March 2021 (UTC)

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  • @173.68.165.114: Hi. There is no need to be angry. I tagged it vandalism because you changed the title of the page without adding any sources (Surely if it is called the "2021 Mongolian Plateau sandstorm" it must be available in a reliable source). Just add the sources as citations. If you feel what you're writing is correct, feel free to discuss on the talk page. It is just incosistent for the page to be titled something and mentioned as something else (if move request is accepted, then it is a separate thing). Also, after final warning of vandalism, users are reported here. I am sure you're making edits in good faith. As such, edit the article in construcive way. Hope I didn't offend you. Thanks. Saadrafiq4 (talk) 08:33, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
    • No I was not angry, yet you made me no longer bold to edit, but it's fine. The title of this event does not exist in English and is coined solely by Wikipedians. Those Sinocentric western media focus only on the Chinese part of the sandstorm but does not report the whole event. The Wikipedia article has to represent a global event instead of a regional POV. In the talk page there was a discussion on coining a correct title for that article. Please feel free to leave an opinion. --173.68.165.114 (talk) 08:41, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

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• I'm redoing the rest of the edit as you did not clarify how "Highly WP:POV" they were except for an empty allegation. I personally think my edit present both side's point of view better with a side-by-side presentation, but if you think it is "highly POV" please feel free to write the reason. Since the discussion of "unconstitutional" is ongoing, I'll tentatively not adding "unconstitutional" to the article as the stable version does. --173.68.165.114 (talk) 05:39, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
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