Talk:Fantasia (singer)

Include literacy

There is an article by her stating she can not read, this is supposed to be an encylopedia! By not incuding all relevent information wikipedia is becoming a biassed medium. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.92.215.184 (talk) 00:38, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

What controversy?

I saw the American Idol show as an import here in Australia, and it was clear that Fantasia was the best, most consistent voice throughout and more than deserved to win. Any controversies surrounding the voting didn't make it across this side of the Pacific, and if the runner up (I forget her name) had won instead then that WOULD have been controversial. With 65 million votes, that's 26% of the US population! Those who automatically smell a controversy whenever a black person achieves anything - well, shame on you. There is hope after all, since clearly the best talent won. Graham

Well, the controversy was not so much that she beat Diana DeGarmo, but that Jennifer Hudson, who many considered the best singer of all of the finalists, was voted off so early (and she is African American), whereas the clearly inferior Jasmine Trias, who is Filipina, was kept. I haven't read ANYTHING that said the conspiracy involved Fantasia beating Diana, but that there were not two clearly superior African American finalists. RickK 04:50, Jun 22, 2004 (UTC)

OK, I see. As I said no mention of any controversy reached our shores. I tend to agree that there were some surprising vote-offs earlier on, but I think that is more to do with the general cloth-earedness of viewers (especially of the younger audience that Idol is aimed at, bless 'em) than racial prejudice. I hope so anyway! :) Graham

Elton John called the voting racist. RickK 19:11, Jun 22, 2004 (UTC)

Incorrect album release date

The release date should be August 21, 2010 both this page & the album's page Back to Me have incorrect dates.. Fantasia's birthday was yesterday & she made an apperance to premier the video for her new single Bittersweet and said that her album Back to Me will be released on august 21 NOT july

No sources for vocal profile

Many of the details in this artist's "Vocal profile" subsection are being frequently edited. To make this article more reliable and prevent the daily changing of these stats, can someone please WP:CITE a source for characteristics such as "vocal range" and "highest note"? Hall Monitor 19:58, 15 July 2005 (UTC) 28 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kiante davis (talk • contribs) 03:47, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Single Information

Hey, I think someone should make a seperate page, or pages, for Fantasia's Singles. Kinda like how they did for Beyonce's page, or better yet, Mariah Carey's page. I like how they gave a brief history about the single, and best of all, how they included music video information and pictures. That would be pretty cool, if someone talked about the making of the "Truth Is", and "Free Yourself" music videos.

Added Discography. Anyone who wants to look up the chart standings - feel free to add those. Michigan user 19:31, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

Michigan changes

Removed rumor about the movie part as the part was put out for audition AFTER that rumor went around. Also removed the praise granted by "someone" and "anonymous". If the source can not be cited - it should not be referenced. Michigan user 19:31, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

Put back the singles that have been released to radio after someone deleted them (????). Michigan user 15:17, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

Added in the Kayne West tour info, and a line about her memoir being published. Michigan user 15:17, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

Restoration merge

I discovered that this article had gotten all messed up in mid-September. Edits were done that lost the whole Idol section, lost links in the post-Idol section, and introduced other problems. I've restored the article as of the "06:32, 16 September 2005 Fandash m (rv vandalism by 71.139.24.31)" change, then re-applied every change since then that seemed accurate and worthwhile. Wasted Time R 22:17, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Major revision

This article was looking very fanboyish. The entire section on "peer acclaim" was inappropriate; wikipedia is not a repository for quotes from magazines about how much people love Fantasia Barrino. If someone wants to contribute SOURCED QUOTES to wikiquote under a Fantasia entry, that's up to them. Frankly I think the whole section should be removed but I have neatened it. It is hardly uncommon for celebrities to heap praise upon one another or admire each other's work. During my revision I made some textual changes to eliminate POV, and I also added a sourced comment about Barrino's illiteracy and rape. Pacian 04:26, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

Agreed with removing the peer acclaim stuff. Unfortunately an anon re-messed up the article again (pulling all the Idol material) in between my restoration merge above and your changes. I've reverted the article and reapplied your changes. Wasted Time R 16:08, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

Discussions with anon 69.217.194.248 [and related addresses]

She is not a pop artist but an R & B artist. The major success and records she has broken at r&b radio keep being removed and the fact that she didn't crossover to pop is emphasized. Stop that, her r & b records need to be recorded as she is an R & B artist. If I were to go over to Kelly Clarkson's page I am most certain it doesn't say she failed to crossover to r & B. If it doesn't then don't do that to fantasia. If you must leave the records that she has broken at r & b radio IN!

OK, I'm glad you're discussing this here. I have made another edit that leaves in your additions about R & B charts performance. I agree that she is an R & B artist; maybe the intro should be changed to reflect that. Note that many of your edits remove links (the "[ [" and "] ]") -- please don't do that, as it destroys much of the value of Wikipedia. Wasted Time R 03:15, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

I've made that change to the intro. Wasted Time R 03:24, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

I wasn't discussing it here because I thought it said that anyone is free to change the page. If that is not the case then they should change that. Also, she didn't fail to make an impact on the pop chart, "Truth Is" went to #60 on pop so that really should be removed. Secondly, you omitted another (and the most important) record she has set at r & b and that is she is the first to simutaneously place two songs in the top three. Who are you and why do you feel you are the only person who can make a revision?

You are right, anyone is free to make a change. But you have to work well with other people also making changes! The problem is, your changes about the R&B charts, which are reasonable, were made at the same time that you made other, unreasonable changes. Such as removing information about her early life. Such as removing the American Idol section completely! (Why? She's proud of being on American Idol, why shouldn't you?) And such as removing many of the links in the text. That's why I was reverting all of your changes. But now that you've stopped doing that, we can work together on the article. Go ahead and put in the item about two of the top three songs on the R&B chart, that's ok. As for making a mark on the pop chart, it looks like "Truth Is" and the following singles made it to the middle range of the chart, not a big pop success, but not nothing either. So go ahead and change that too if you like. Wasted Time R 03:38, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

and for the record. I was not the person who originally removed the idol stuff. However, I did revise it with correct information. Diana degarmo does not need to be mentioned on Fantasia's page nor does the percentage of votes that fantasia won by. She won, handly and that's all that matters! Secondly, it is misleading to the reader to mention "voting controvesy" and then not give the real reason there were complaints. It was the Elton John week issue. The way you have it here, mentioning degarmo and then saying Fantasia's win was through controvsy makes it appear that there was an uproar when fantasia won when in fact it was not. Please leave the elton john week issue in if you are going to mention voting controvsy as that was the controvsy when the three black girls ended in the bottom three.

I did in the last couple of edits put back in the bit about the bottom three controversy during Elton John week, you are right that needed more explanation. A fuller discussion is in one of the main American Idol articles. Diana Degarmo should be mentioned, every Idol winner's article mentions the other finalist, you can check Kelly Clarkson, Ruben Studdard, Carrie Underwood to verify that. The article says the winning margin is 2% which is not "handily". If you have a different source for the margin, please give it. Wasted Time R 03:43, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

But it doesn't say you have to discuss before a change is made, it says anyone is free to make a change or clarify. You really have no right to confront someone unless they are putting untruths in or making the person look bad. Anything I put should have been there and anything I deleted should have been deleted. I gave my explanation so I won't be discussing this here again. Thank you!

I see you deleted her winning margin against DeGarmo again. I've restored it, but this time as a number of votes (1.3 million) as opposed to a percentage. And I've given a cite for it, which was lacking before. Note that she beat out thousands of other singers! Stating the margin, whatever it was, hardly makes her look bad. Wasted Time R 10:55, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

This is an ENCYCLOPEDIA. Whether or not a comment "makes someone look bad" is irrelevant as long as it is factual. This is becoming an edit war, and as a third party I reserve the right to settle it. The margin of Barrino's win in American Idol is factual and relevant, and therefore should be included in the article. Done and done. And to the anonymous person who continues to make these changes and comment here: wikipedia DOES have a policy against continual changes made by unregistered users. In fact there are some admins who routinely revert ALL changes made by unregistered users on the assumption that they are probably vandalism. So please, register yourself immediately and sign all future posts with four tildas. Pacian 02:50, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

Minor edits

Removed some references to fansite, as they have not been allowed on other celebrity pages. Added in a reference to the IMDB database. 69.19.14.22 14:53, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

Fansite links exist on wikipedia celebrity pages: Beyonce, Usher, Ciara, Gwen Stefani, etc.

High Point Controversy

Can someone add the bit about how a couple in High Point, NC, want people to remove posters promoting Fantasia because of what she said in her book. She stated that High Point, was also known as the "Land of the Dead", and she also said that despite the fact that she went to school in High Point for 9 years, she still couldnt read that well after dropping out in 9th grade. Theres also a fuss about the community she lived in. She said that she lived in the ghetto, etc. The people in High Point feel that shes not representing the town, or state for that matter, correctly, and that she doesnt need to. If you dont know what Im talking about, just type in "Fantasia Barrino" in Yahoo News, and see what comes up. I feel that this should be on her page because not only is it one of her first controversies, and Im not saying that Im happy that it is, but its some information that I thought her fans should know. If your going to talk about someones life, talk about it all, lol.

If you can supply a cite for this, go ahead and add it yourself. Wasted Time R 03:17, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

Singles pages

P.S. I really wish someone would update her singles pages, you know talk about the single, and maybe even talk about the videos for them. I think that would be nice. They did it for Beyonces and Mariah Careys pages, so why not Fantasia.

Do it yourself. That's how Wikipedia works. Wasted Time R 03:17, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

Thats just the thing, for the singles page, I dont know how too. Like, I would like to add pictures, and the little chart thing that tells you what every single was and is, in order.

They are based on templates and tables mostly. Find an existing singles article that is close to what you want, edit it, do a browser copy on its contents, cancel the edit, create the new article, paste in the copied contents, change everything that needs changing. Wasted Time R 22:39, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

Your work is being stolen

Thought you'd want to know that this guy-- only idol--is claiming your work as his own, and even posting a copyright notice! -Jmh123 14:42, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

To 67.86.223.47

67.86.223.47, please look at the article history for the reasons I have been reverting most of your edits. You keep inserting the same misguided texts over and over. Wasted Time R 00:16, 18 March 2006 (UTC) HER MUSIC WAS BEING STOLIN BY ONE OF HER OWN FRIEND

To Wasted Time R

The texts inserted before were not misguided. You're wording was not appropriate, therefore I have changed it to be more suitable for the article. Stardust6000

Your repeated change of "I Believe (Barrino song) |I Believe" to "I Believe" is incorrect because I Believe is what Wikipedia calls a disambiguation page ... something that points to various pages with the same underlying name. Since there are many songs called "I Believe", Fantasia's "I Believe" has to be called something different, which is I Believe (Barrino song) (the thing in parentheses is the disambiguation part). Nobody has written an article about Fantasia's "I Believe" yet, so the link is in red, but when they do, it will be blue and it'll be the right link to get to the article. If you look here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/I_Believe_%28Barrino_song%29 you'll see that several other articles also have red links to this article-to-be. Wasted Time R 03:21, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Your attempt to change the text about the Grammys to: "In 2006, Fantasia was nominated for four Grammy Awards, making her the first Idol to receive that many Grammy nominations, although she unfortunately did not win any of her nominations." has two problems. First, there's no need to repeat "Grammy" and "nomination" again, and there's certainly no need to link "Grammy" again. Second, "unfortunately" is your opinion, and not objective. Other people are ok with the fact that she didn't win any (especially fans of whoever did win those awards). Wasted Time R 03:26, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Wasted Time R I understand what you mean. Though I must say, I didn't mean "unfortunately" as an opinion. I hope to have more help from you and collaboration with you to help make this article fantastic, unless you continue to be rude. User: Stardust6000

As Simon Cowell himself would say, "I don't mean to be rude, but ..." Your recent edits said Fantasia was "a brilliant singer" on Idol with an "her amazing vocal range and stage presence". This is way too fannish to be in this article. Then you said that her "Summertime" "left her and the audience in tears". It's true about her, but not true about the audience, who liked it a lot but weren't crying that I could see. Wasted Time R 22:55, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

You don't quite understand why I put that there. Before I edited that someone had posted negative remarks in the article so I simply changed it to be more positive. Whoever that was also nearly ruined the article. I have a philosophy that it is better to be positive than to be negative. Unfortunately, I forgot that everything I said could be seen as an opinion. I came back to change it back to something more suitable, but you got to it before I did. I do think that you come off as rude. Just try to be more understanding so that we don't waste our time arguing. User: Stardust6000, 09:12, March 29

The goal is to be neither positive nor negative but instead truthful. You are right that she did show a "strong stage presence" during AI, and I have left your last change in now that "amazing" no longer preceeds it. However, it's also true that she was known for her unusual diction during AI; I've restored that with a specific example. Saying this is not necessarily negative; her style helped her stand out as different, which is very important in a contest like AI. Wasted Time R 15:59, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Excellent, it is great to have help from you. Fortunately, you monitor this page as well, so if someone comes in and tries to ruin the article I know that I can count on you to fix it. This is a relief to me, and it makes my experience on wikipedia more enjoyable and less stressful, thank you. User: Stardust6000, 01:40, 03/29/06

To User 64.12.116.203

It has been confirmed from a variety of different sources that Fantasia's album, Free Yourself, has become double platinum. The sources include the New York Post and Nascar[1]. So please make no further edits to her album sales figures, thank you.

RIAA Certification

Well, I am a different user, however according to the RIAA the album has not yet been certified double platinum. Until it is - it is just hearsay that the CD might qualify for certification. Just like the Aiken album has sold 2,850,000 and shipped quite enough to be triple platinum, but still has not gone through the formal certification process, so it is documented in Wikipedia correctly as only double platinum.

From http://www.riaa.com/gp/database/search_results.asp

Search Results as of 4/8/2006

Your search returned 2 records. Records 1 to 2 displayed.Artist Title Cert. Date Label Award Desc. Format Category Type

FANTASIA FREE YOURSELF 01/06/05 J RECORDS P ALBUM SOLO Std

FANTASIA FREE YOURSELF 01/06/05 J RECORDS G ALBUM SOLO Std

-- 66.82.9.90 18:24, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Also according to SoundScan Fantasia, Free Yourself: 1,674,000 (thru Feb. 21, 2006)

Since I seriously doubt that she has sold a third of a MILLION CDs in the last 6 weeks, she is no where close to double platinum. It is all just PR Spin. -- 66.82.9.90 18:32, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Yes, this is true through soundscan. But you also have to put into consideration that much of Fantasia's album sales come from parts of the nation that don't use the soundscan system. I have also heard from other sources that Fantasia sold over 1.8 million records. So it makes more sense to leave the sales figures at an even number such as 2 million. Though she may not be certified through the RIAA she has been said to be a double platinum selling recording artist. So I'll make some modifications to the sales chart to add this information. User: Stardust6000

Soundscan has a formula that they use to account for all of the sales that they do not count. EVERY artist faces the same situation. And she is just FLAT OUT NOT double certified. RIAA says so. -- 69.19.14.20 21:36, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Stardust6000, this is an encyclopedia - not a promotional media. The media make generalizations like "double platinum selling recording artist" to slant an article the way that they intend it. However, we need to stick to the facts. If you want to round the sales numbers to 1.7 million - I could live with that. But adding on 326,000 in sales based on your personal estimate is just not encyclopedic. It is misleading and inaccurate.

When Fantasia releases her sophmore CD, there is a good possibility that she will get some collateral sales of Free Yourself. At that time she might increase her sales enough to get her double platinum certification. But we need to wait until it really happens before documenting it as a fact. --Triage 22:44, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

I have heard this from so many different sources on the internet including the Billboard Radio website and on television that it would seem as though it would be true. It doesn't matter to me, I am just trying to keep this article up to date, and I have heard that Free Yourself is double platinum from so many official sites. I suppose unless it is on the RIAA website it is not true. Personally, I put the sales figures at two million+ just because the album is approaching that number in sales. So when/if it reaches that number there would be no need to waste time editing it again. Thank you for your help. --User:Stardust6000 7:15, 8 April 2006

At her current rate of sales it will take well over a year to sell enough to come up to the 1.7 Million number, so there is plenty of buffer there already. Of course I am hoping that she does get a bump with the next CD as suggested. -- 69.19.14.36 01:49, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

Those soundscan figures were almost two months ago. It is likely that her sound sales are above 1.7 million therefore, it is appropriate to put 1.7 million+. I am not bothering with this nitpicking anymore its no use and its a waste of time. It was even released by several official sources that her sales are over 1.8 million. --Stardust6000 10:53, 8 April 2006

Album Sales and Certification

I have made an interesting discovery. I did some research on Carrie underwood after I saw that she was triple platinum on her wikipedia article. Many sources came up immediately confirming this from the RIAA. Yet, when I went to the official RIAA website there was no confirmation. It is the same thing with Fantasia's album. I think that her double platinum might instead mean only shipments. Carrie Underwood has not sold 3 million records, but she has shipped 3 million. None of this information was on the RIAA website, so I think that you all might be taking this into too much consideration. Every official source that I have gone to after typing in Fantasia's album certification has said that Free Yourself is double platinum. I don't think that all of these websites made up this information. That would be silly wouldn't it? --Stardust6000 11:00, 8 April 2206

Well Wikipedia is maintained by the public. If FANS can get away with exagerating the truth - they will. You need to get the Carrie folks to correct the facts. But you need to stick to the facts also. -- 69.19.14.36 03:23, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

Well I looked and you are correct. Carrie's certifications are:

Artist Title Cert. Date Label Award Desc. Format Category Type

UNDERWOOD, CARRIE INSIDE YOUR HEAVEN 07/26/05 RCA G SINGLE SOLO Std

UNDERWOOD, CARRIE INSIDE YOUR HEAVEN 11/18/05 RCA G SINGLE SOLO Dig

UNDERWOOD, CARRIE SOME HEARTS 12/09/05 ARISTA P ALBUM SOLO Std

UNDERWOOD, CARRIE SOME HEARTS 12/09/05 ARISTA G ALBUM SOLO Std

UNDERWOOD, CARRIE SOME HEARTS 01/06/06 ARISTA M (2) ALBUM SOLO Std

UNDERWOOD, CARRIE JESUS, TAKE THE WHEEL 01

So she is only 2X certified.

You want to correct them - or should I?? -- 69.19.14.36 03:28, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

Carrie's SoundScan numbers this week: 15 CARRIE UNDERWOOD - SOME HEARTS 42,695 -14 49,493 2,548,848 -- 69.19.14.36 03:43, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

I just checked the RIAA for Clay Aiken's triple platinum album and I don't think I saw any triple platinum certifications. What I find strange is that when I type this information into a search engine there are so many results that say that the RIAA has given the artist that certification. What does this mean? These are not fan sites that are coming up, these are news websites. Are you completely certain that Fantasia is not double platinum and Carrie is not triple platinum just because the RIAA does not have this information on their website? This is something that has to be delt with. --User:Stardust6000 9:00, 9 April

Also, Please have a look at some of these sources: [2], Since she has won American Idol, Fantasia’s album has gone double platinum. She’s written her first book, and she’s only 21.(CBN)[3], [4], [5], and [6]. These are all very reliable news sources that I am sure they get have more information about cerifications than we do. This cannot be ignored.

Yes, and there are LOTS of news sources that incorrectly state that Aiken has gone triple platinum - and you verified that it is just NOT true. The encyclopedic FACT is that RCA has not applied for 3X certification through RIAA yet. That is why the Aiken article has been corrected back to 2X Platinum several times. Many of those news sources get their information directly from the Label, and the Label WANTS it to sound more successful than it may really be. It is just PR putting a positive spin on the sales figures. Wikipedia is not the place for PR spin. This is the place for verifiable facts. -- 69.19.14.41 13:55, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

Okay, now I understand. It is very good to know this information. So a CD might have sold enough to be certified, but it cannot be certified unless the record label applies for that ability. Very interesting, thank you for your clarification. --User:Stardust6000 10:00, 9 April

I corrected the Underwood article. -- 69.19.14.41 14:19, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

Excellent, but I have one question. Does anyone know if J/Arista Records has applied for certifications above double platinum. It would be very strange for a major label to not have these certifications through the RIAA. -- User:Stardust6000 2:30, 9 April

They probably have not yet applied. In order to qualify they have to prove that they have sold over 2 million CD that are not returnable. If they have shipped more than 2 million CDs, they start talking about the CD being double platinum to the press - but they can not yet prove that the CDs can not be returned. -- 69.19.14.28 01:56, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

I think I mis-understood the question. Yes, J Records has received certifications above 2x. for instance:

ALICIA SONGS IN A MINOR 07/23/01 J RECORDS P ALBUM SOLO Std

KEYS, ALICIA SONGS IN A MINOR 07/23/01 J RECORDS G ALBUM SOLO Std

KEYS, ALICIA SONGS IN A MINOR 08/08/01 J RECORDS M (2) ALBUM SOLO Std

KEYS, ALICIA SONGS IN A MINOR 09/17/01 J RECORDS M (3) ALBUM SOLO Std

KEYS, ALICIA SONGS IN A MINOR 11/28/01 J RECORDS M (4) ALBUM SOLO Std

KEYS, ALICIA SONGS IN A MINOR 03/04/02 J RECORDS M (5) ALBUM SOLO Std

KEYS, ALICIA SONGS IN A MINOR 11/07/03 J RECORDS M (6) ALBUM SOLO Std

KEYS, ALICIA THE DIARY OF ALICIA KEYS 01/09/04 J RECORDS G ALBUM SOLO

MAROON 5 SONGS ABOUT JANE 10/17/03 OCTONE / J RECORDS G ALBUM GROUP Std

MAROON 5 SONGS ABOUT JANE 02/12/04 OCTONE / J RECORDS P ALBUM GROUP Std

MAROON 5 SONGS ABOUT JANE 08/13/04 OCTONE / J RECORDS M (2) ALBUM GROUP Std

MAROON 5 SONGS ABOUT JANE 10/06/04 OCTONE / J RECORDS M (3) ALBUM GROUP Std

MAROON 5 SONGS ABOUT JANE 06/23/05 OCTONE / J RECORDS M (4) ALBUM GROUP Std

-- 69.19.14.28 03:01, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Fantasia has NOT been certified 2x Platinum.

Artist Title Cert. Date Label Award Desc. Format Category Type

FANTASIA FREE YOURSELF 01/06/05 J RECORDS P ALBUM SOLO Std

FANTASIA FREE YOURSELF 01/06/05 J RECORDS G ALBUM SOLO Std

 1 

-- Triage 23:00, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

The Simpsons

wasn't she a guest star in the simpsons?

Still not Certified 2X Platinum

As of 6-30-06:

Artist Title Cert. Date Label Award Desc. Format Category Type

FANTASIA FREE YOURSELF 01/06/05 J RECORDS P ALBUM SOLO Std

FANTASIA FREE YOURSELF 01/06/05 J RECORDS G ALBUM SOLO

Triage 23:38, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

I am noticing a large amount of argument about Fantasia's album sales. Every few times I come here the figures are changed. I notice many people judge her sales just through the soundscan system and that is wrong. According to the album's producers Free Youself went platinum within five weeks of release, yet the soundscan figures showed the sales at just over 600,000. The explanation that I have heard for this is that many of Fantasia's sales come from stores that are not connected to soundscan and through re-orders and pre-orders. Just recently Clive Davis said that the sales of the album have far exceeded 2 million. The reason why Carrie Underwood's triple platinum sales were easier to detect was because most of it was through soundscan. Much of Fantasia's sales are not soundscan, but the record company and these unconnected stores detect the sales. So I think that the 2 million sales figure is credible, especially with the number of sources that indicate it is a multi-platinum album.Stardust6000 02:56, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

This is an encyclodic reference. Source your statement that she has sold 2 Million, besides just your opinion. I can source the 1,680,000 numbers. And RIAA DEFINITELY is not 2x. Go Look. Stop changing it to an incorrect statement. And CRIA does not show ANY certification for Fantasia. Please provide your sources. 66.82.9.59 16:01, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

I have not changed anything at all or added anything about Free Yourself sales, so it is completely and utterly wrong for you to accuse me of a such a thing just by incorrect assumption. I commented on the constant changes of the album sales figures and stated that I agreed with the sales figures. There are several sources that indicate she is double platinum, look it up.Stardust6000 16:52, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

This has been discussed before. See above. ALL ARTISTS have sales above what SoundScan reports. If you can get the Label to report these sales in a citable source, then I would not have a problem using it. But if you can NOT, then you need to use numbers that CAN be documented - such as SoundScan. Generic PR statements just are not citable sales figures. That is why other artists are stuck using SoundScan numbers in their articles. Because that is the only numbers that the editors can source. But one way or the other, the label has not (or can not in spite of PR statements) get the CD certified 2X through the RIAA. And for whatever reasons the CD is just not certified in any manner by the CRIA. Whether it is Stardust or someone else trying to make the changes is a moot point. The article should only reflect what can be sourced. Triage 23:01, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Just for reference - Fantasia sold

1,687,346 as of 4-23-06

1,674,xxx as of 2-21-06

= 13,xxx in two months

So she is averaging about 6-7 thousand a MONTH. which is maybe 60-75 thousand a YEAR. It will take a LONG time before she gets past the 1.7 rounded figure. Unless, of course, her next CD does well. In that case you can expect sales of her first CD to pick up as new people discover that they like her music. Triage 23:28, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Fantasia HAS sold over 2 Million CDs - if you count her single sales. Which Clive Davis does, cuz he is no fool, and it sounds better. She just has not sold 2 Million copies of "Free Yourself" which is what keeps getting edited into this article - incorrectly.

Italian Surname

Does anyone know the significance of her surname? Did Italian immigrants own slaves in America? Did she marry into the name, or inherit it via marriage of her own parent. Does she have an Italian forefather via a consentual relationship? Is it an altered spelling of another surname, done so to disassociate from a family line? Did she or her family give themselves this surname; is it a reinvention? Relir 16:20, 16 September 2006 (EST)

According to EllisIsland.org people with this surname were immigrating into the US between 1890-1930. 5 Syrian, 1 Portugese, 4 Spaniards, the rest Italian. Residences Include Havana, Spain, Chicago, Italy, and the Azores.

Similar surnames with alternate spellings are listed.

Accoding to Ancestry.com around 1840 most people with this surname lived in the State of South Carolina.

Most people with this surname lived in the state of North Carolina around 1880.

Around 1920, most people with this surname lived in Michigan, Illinois, Pennsylvania, and New Jersey. The rest lived in Washington State, California, New Mexico, Louisiana, Nebraska, Minnesota, Ohio, Indiana, North Carolina, Maryland, Maine, New Hampshire, and New York.

Perhaps there's some Spanish influence?

In Sister2Sister Magaizine (Volume 22, Issue 1), Barrino states that people often think that her name is Italian, but that her father is of Cuban descent. How do I cite this and edit the article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by ZerEpiphany (talk • contribs) 09:54, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Celebrity Support

This section of the bio is totally superfluous. It would MAYBE (but probably not) be OK if it had some citations or proof. Just saying it exists without documenting it or providing supporting facts, is of little value as a legitimate reference. It's great if it's true, but then prove it. If it's conjecture or theory, leave it on a fan website.

--The section will stay and detailed information will be added. It is relevant and supporting documentation need only be transferred from the site that was linked. It is not theory nor conjecture, but relevant and true information.

• • • I agree! The section is NEEDED it's just as relevant and as anything else on the page. It's who she's worked with and is recognized by!

If you want this sort of stuff, it is typically put on a separate article and have this link to it - then you can get as wordy as you want in that other article. Well, within reason ;) Michigan user 23:07, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

This section needs to go - it is not encyclopedic and written as fancruft. The section would need to be completely re-written to remove all the non-sourced POV verbiage that is currently in that section. Do the re-write in TALK and we can see if we cam reach a consensus on what is NPOV enough to add. 66.82.9.90 18:50, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

External Links

The guidelines for external links can be found here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:EL Actually the guidelines say no more than ONE fan site listing. You really need to decide which site that is going to be. And the LINAFT movie page belongs on a page dedicated to that movie - not on a Fantasia page. Non-"official" links also do not belong on this page (such as the voilator references). 69.19.14.43 12:44, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Edit war

There has been an edit war going on on this article. I have blocked those who have violated WP:3RR, and will do so again in preference to semi-protection. To move forward, please intiate some form of discussion here, and do not edit-war on the main page. As it is, based on the source of most edits coming here which are causing the war, I'm going to put some semi-protection on, as it is an article about a living person, and we don't want to offend anyone if the information is wrong. Note that the use of the edit summary "rvv" means "revert vandalism" and is being used too much here - none of the edits I've seen have been vandalism. Martinp23 18:57, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

I am now unprotecting. User:Naradasupreme has been determined to have been using a sock network to avoid WP:3RR on this article. The socks have all been indefblocked, and Naradasupreme remain free to edit (for now). Martinp23 21:27, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

I've attempted twice to update the information on her sophomore album, by removing all the obsolete info and integrating updated info on contributors in a track listing. Someone keeps reverting to the outdated, factually wrong and bloated text. Why?! Even if you think the track listing belongs on a seperate album page in wikipedia, please remove the BS info!

she can read

i think that she knows how to read cause if she droped out of school in highschool she knows how to read she just said she had trouble reading that is all. blackmoney

Well she said in her book that her goal was to be able to read a childs book to her daughter as a bedtime story. Apparently she is still working on doing that. But apparently she has hired tutors to help her learn. Gotta admire someone who works to improve themselves. 69.19.14.41 22:10, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Hood Boy

Hood Boy is just a promo. Its not her first single.Blueandgold200 06:11, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Format!

Somebody please fix the format of this page around the Hood Boy single. Somebody had fun with it.

Thank You

No mention of her illiteracy?

I find it interesting that someone who admittedly can't read can win American Idol, and nobody will blink an eye.PatrickJ83 08:09, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

It isn't a reading contest. She can sing, that is what counts. 66.82.9.73 21:27, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Singing is one thing, but you also need to show that you're a smart person and not some illiterate redneck from the south.

Norum 14:58, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

RIAA Certification

According to the RIAA "Free Yourself" is still NOT certified double platinum. If you check out this listing at Riaa: http://www.riaa.com/news/newsletter/122206.asp At the bottom of the article it has links to a PDF were it lists all the CDs that were certified in 2006, and an update for Dec 2006. "Free Yourself" was not certified during 2006 according to this. Please stop putting it in the article that it is CERTIFIED double platinum, unless you can source it. Casual mentions of "double platinum selling" does not mean that it is certified - just PR spin. Find a press release or Billboard/RIAA reference please. 69.19.14.41 12:13, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Title of this article

This article should definetely be entitled "Fantasia (artist)". She doesn't use her last name professionally. Madonna's article isn't called "Madonna Ciccone". Rhythmnation2004 18:50, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

I really do like her she knows what she is talking aobut.

That could be considered, something like Fantasia (singer) is another option. Simply Fantasia will not work due to disambiguation issues (unlike with Mandisa). CrazyC83 18:53, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Fantasia (singer) is probably the best option, as with Monica (singer) or Madonna (entertainer). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lone twin (talk • contribs) 07:08, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Spelling error

Oops! The article starts with "Fatasia", 'n' is missing. Edyirdaw 07:13, 17 May 2007 (UTC).

Ethnicity

Following site guidelines, rumors are not considered legit. In the citation cited for Fantasia's so called Afro-Cuban ancestry, she says:
"Family rumor has it that my father's family has Cuban lineage, which would explain my last name"
Family rumor, nor any form of rumor is valid and concise information for this or any article. The information has been removed. Please do not add this information as it will be reverted. --XLR8TION 01:59, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Unfortunately since Barrino is black and descended from slaves, there will never be concrete evidence as to the whereabouts of her familial origin. She can't log onto ancestors.com and get a detailed analysis. But this was in her official autobiography, so obviously it's something she believe and self-identifies with. 74.225.36.136 22:11, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

This is not always true. I logged onto Ancestry.com and have traced my family back to 1200 AD. The ancestors I found on several branches originated in England and Germany, but it is possible that Fantasia could do the same thing and find Cuba and even Spain. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.72.91.153 (talk) 04:18, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

Stop the nonsense

• Note: This in regard to the argument in Users: 74.225.36.136 talk page

As an administrator, I have taken a look at the controversy between both Users, XLR8TION and 74.225.36.136 in regard to the Fantasia and Jeff Bezos case. Let me remind all parties involved that there is no need for personal attacks. This is stricly forbidden in accordance to Wikipedia policy which requires civility among users.

To start off, I must remind those involved that "No One" I mean absolutely no one owns the articles in Wikipedia and therefore all articles are open to all editors. To tell a user to "Stick to editing the pages of those chock full of talent Puerto Ricans of yours and to leave the Cuban pages to Cubans" is not only disrespectful and racist, but is also against policy.

Wikipedia policy requires that all of the information added to an article be accompanied by a "Verfiable Reliable source" or otherwise said entery will be deleted. In the case of Bezos I ask: 1. Was he born in Cuba? 2.Was he a Cuban citizen? 3.Did he have Cuban Ancesters? Adoption of a surname does not make you a citizen of the surnames origin nor does it make you a descendent of the person who adopted you. Unless a verifiable reliable source is provided which states the contrery, then it would be false to assume that one is of a certain nationality just because he or she was adopted.

In the case of Fantasia, rumors are baseless. This is an encyclopedia and the policy of a verifiable source also applies. Now, it can be stated in her article what she said about the rumors as long as it is sourced, but it cannot be automatically assumed that she "is" of Cuban descent when she herself is not sure.

With this said, I hope that this puts an end to the discussion and the constent reverting. I am sure that you all are well intended contributors, but policy is policy. Tony the Marine 04:13, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

• User:74.225.36.136, the last entery that you made to Fantasia Barrino's article is proper and sourced. As for User:WhatHaveYou342, adding unsourced information is not allowed and if continued will be considered as bad faith vandalism which may result in an edit blocking. Tony the Marine 07:53, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

• Tony I have requested protection for both pages and also requested for another administrator (who ever grants page protection) to look at this discussion page and also the fact that this editor is using multiple sock puppet accounts which is a big site no-no. Thank you once again for your valuable time and input and hopefully this can make the Caribbean wiki project a reality that will come someday soon. With WhatHaveYou342 (aka 74.225.36.136) on this site making edits that can't be validated, that dream is only being stalled. --XLR8TION 10:39, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

• Tony I reworded the entry to reflect a NPOV and non-endorsement of an unconfirmed family rumor. It sounds proper now and does not go against site guidelines of rumor endorsement. Thank you for your assistance once again! --XLR8TION 11:15, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

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Commentary

The first subsection of this article, "Early Life" is written by someone who appears to share Miss Barrino's literacy issues, which is alright if the person who edited that wants to live that way, but not so good for a text-based information medium such as Wiki.

The last paragraph of section "2006-present" looks as if it's probably been written by record company people trying to promote her. Also not a good thing for a Wiki page.

Also, anyone familiar with the book or at least some of the things she's done regarding the whole "being functionally illiterate" thing care to add any information? Personally, I couldn't care less about her music career, but I would like to know what she's done to help the world. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.41.56.5 (talk) 08:01, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot (talk) 06:56,2008 (UTC) 2 January she os 23 years old

"On March 5, 2008, Fantasia confirmed to MTV News that Oprah Winfrey has casted her as Celie in the film adaptation of “The Color Purple” musical. A musical version of the Steven Spielberg classic that was made famous twenty years ago. Fantasia revealed the movie will begin production after the release of her third album."

Shouldn't this be the Alice Walker classic? Although many musicals are adapted from current movies, I would guess that any subsequent versions should be considered adaptations of the original source material.

____ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.53.129.133 (talk) 15:55, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

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Zion's father

Zion's father is one Brandel Shouse not "Rodney". Rodney is a character from the movie. A fictitious name. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.68.153.10 (talk) 09:22, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

Litigation reference incorrect

The litigation cited as to Fantasia's father allegedly filing suit against her is incorrect. Such litigation actually names Simon & Schuster, the publisher of a ghostwritten book, and does not name Fantasia as a defendant. Please correct according to the citation which so indicates such circumstances. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.248.63.138 (talk) 17:27, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

Awkward sentence.

"Fantasia, who is African-American descent, is the first cousin of K-Ci & JoJo of the group Jodeci."

Someone fix that. I have no clue what is trying to be said. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 164.214.1.54 (talk) 11:08, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

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Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: not moved. Favonian (talk) 12:53, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

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Fantasia Barrino → Fantasia (singer) – This article currently redirects from Fantasia (singer) to Fantasia Barrino, despite the fact that she records under the mononym Fantasia and is known professionally by that name. Her own website (fantasiaofficial.com) refers to her as Fantasia. This is in line with other mononymous singers, such as Mandisa, Mýa, Monica (entertainer) and Madonna (entertainer), all of whom have Wikipedia redirects from their full names to their professional mononyms. Fantasia's article should accordingly be Fantasia (singer) to stay in line, as Fantasia is a disambiguation page. lone_twin (talk) 11:25, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

• Oppose. If her mononym was unambiguous, I might support a move, but given that disambiguation is needed, I see no compelling reason to favor "(singer)" over "Barrino" as the disambiguator (and in fact, we should preference the more natural disambiguator over the parenthetical). Barrino came to prominence (on American Idol) under her full name, and her mononym has hardly risen to the level of ubiquity that Madonna has experienced. Powers ^T 14:54, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
• Oppose per WP:PRECISION which states that natural disambiguation is to be used over parenthetical disambiguation: "1 Natural disambiguation: If it exists, choose a different, alternative name that the subject is also commonly called in English, albeit, not as commonly as the preferred but ambiguous title (do not, however, use obscure or made up names). 2 Parenthetical disambiguation: If natural disambiguation is not possible, add a disambiguating term in parentheses (or sometimes after a comma), directly after the ambiguous name." The article title Fantasia Barrino meets the requirements to be used as a natural disambiguation and does not fall under the "obscure or made up names" exceptions - unlike say Madonna whose real name is obscure. CIGraphix (talk) 20:54, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
• Oppose. Surname is "fairly often used," per WP:NCP. The parenthetical creates an undesirable "Invented Here" form. Kauffner (talk) 02:03, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

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Additional appearances of Fantasia 2012

appeared in the 2012 announcements show for American Idol with Joshua Ledet; the man who looked certain to win then went out before the end. Outfit for the show unflattering. Song very soulful, if shouty!

86.15.40.168 (talk) 02:18, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Fantasia Barrino

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Reference named "LATimes":

• From The Simpsons: Brennan, Judy (March 3, 1995). "Matt Groening's Reaction to The Critic's First Appearance on The Simpsons". Los Angeles Times. The Times Mirror Company.
• From Side Effects of You: "Pop & Hiss". The Los Angeles Times. April 23, 2013.
• From Music Speaks: Wood, Mikael (February 17, 2014). "Album review: Candice Glover's powerful debut 'Music Speaks'". The Los Angeles Times. Retrieved February 17, 2014.
• From No Boundaries (song): "Kara DioGuardi co-writes 'American Idol' winner's single". The Los Angeles Times. May 19, 2009. Retrieved 2009-05-20.

Reference named "Allmusic":

• From Journey to Freedom (album): Kellman, Andy. "Journey to Freedom - Michelle Williams". Allmusic. Retrieved October 7, 2014.
• From Missy Elliott: Birchmeier, Jason (2005). "Missy Elliott – Biography". Allmusic. Retrieved April 18, 2008.
• From Back to Me (Fantasia Barrino album): "allmusic ((( Back to Me > Overview )))". Allmusic. Retrieved 2010-07-14.
• From Side Effects of You: Kellman, Andy (2013-04-23). "Side Effects of You - Fantasia : Songs, Reviews, Credits, Awards". AllMusic. Retrieved 2013-04-29.
• From The Cookbook: Bush, John. "The Cookbook - Review". Allmusic. Retrieved 2008-11-19.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 05:07, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

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I feel like he should be mentioned... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.237.55.23 (talk) 10:40, 10 December 2016 (UTC)

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Fantasia Taylor?

Should it be noted that this is her legal full name, as well as the one by which she is currently choosing to identify herself? Couple sources below, one personal, and another from a reputable third party.

• https://www.instagram.com/tasiasword/?hl=en
• https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/04/entertainment/the-color-purple-movie-cast-intl-scli/index.html MichaelProcton (talk) 21:20, 4 February 2022 (UTC)