Talk:Ferndale, California

March 2010

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"According to the United States Census Bureau, the city has a total area of 1.0 square miles (2.7 km²), all of it land. [edit] Demographics

As of the census[7] of 2000, there were 1,382 people, 611 households, and 392 families residing in the city. The population density was 1,343.2 people per square mile (518.1/km²)"

so an area of one square mile, 1382 people in it, working the math we have ?1346.2 people per square mile? 98.148.182.33 (talk) 06:16, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Sitka Spruce in Ferndale

Recently, an anonymous editor has repeatedly reverted a small comment about the presence of Sitka spruce in Ferndale. I spent some time this morning and have changed the single mention of its presence to the following:

... Local microclimates are varied and support tropical palm trees[1] and Sitka spruce,[2] including a mature Sitka forest in Russ Park,[3][4] and the over 150 feet (46 m) tall spruce lighted every year for Christmas.[5]

1 Corwin, Diane (2011). "Palm Tree Toupee". Sense of Place. National Geographic. Retrieved 01 October 2011.

2 "Ferndale Series". Soil Series of California. United States Department of Agriculture. Retrieved 01 October 2011.

3 Sawyer, J.O.; T. Keeler-Wolf (1995). A Manual of California Vegetation. Sacramento, California: California Native Plant Society. p. 471.

4 "Russ Park". California's Redwood Coast. Humboldt County Convention & Visitors Bureau. Retrieved 01 October 2011.

5 Hasslinger, Tom (January 9, 2011). "Tall tree tale". Coeur d’Alene Press. Retrieved 01 October 2011.

I realize it may be unlikely that this anonymous editor will read the discussion page. He or she seems to be someone making mostly personal knowledge edits. No citations have been left for any edit by this IP. I request, however if indeed this person reads this section, to please enter into discussion about the pages before cutting out chunks with no explanation and no citations. Otherwise it begins to look like a pattern of disruptive editing. Ellin Beltz (talk) 16:06, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

Points of Interest

I removed "The 1891 Eastlake-Stick Style Russ-Williams Bank Building (currently the Victorian Inn), corner of Ocean and Main, was designed by noted architect J. Frost, with a millinery store, a haberdashery and the Ferndale Enterprise newspaper on the ground floor, as well as business and professional offices on the upper floors." from the article because it is only one building in the historic district. It might make a nice photo caption. Ellin Beltz (talk) 02:56, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Weather Chart Reverted

I reverted a massive edit to the weather and climate chart today because while the new chart had much prettier colors, the new weather data was incorrect. The record highs/lows and the rainfall numbers are completely different (highest high is 11 degrees F higher than the record, etc.) than they were before and the source does not back up the new figures. I also see no reason to take out the Ferndale climate chart as that information is not provided visually after the edit. Photo attached for comparison of the chart I removed and the version to which I reverted. Ellin Beltz (talk) 16:21, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

Subsequently I converted the old climate charts to the newer format and colors, but retained the correct data. Ellin Beltz (talk) 17:14, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

I like what you did with the climate charts. However, the text in the climate section contained the following statement, which I just removed: "The average yearly temperature is 46.0 °F (7.8 °C): January is the coldest month; July is the warmest.". All of these statements are contradicted by the climate chart: According to the chart the warmest month is August (average high 72F, average low 50F), the coolest month is December (average high 56F, average low 39F) and therefore the average yearly temperature cannot possibly be 46.0 F (this is slightly below the average temperature of the coldest month of the year, December). The source cited (Weatherbase) does indeed make these claims, but also contradicts itself by offering a climate chart in line with that shown here. Weatherbase also says the coldest month (January) averages 26.4 F, which is ludicrous. I know the area well, and can confidently say that the temperature in Ferndale might drop that low once per year, if that.

In fact, would anyone be upset if I removed the link to Ref. 37 (since it contradicts itself) and find a better source? Perhaps this one, even though it's only based on 10 years of data? WeirdNAnnoyed (talk) 02:56, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for catching this. Yes, I've deleted the climate chart altogether. Typically NOAA does not offer climate stats for a town with just 10 years of data .... there's no reason we can't, but I don't feel obligated to spend the time typing it out when the true data is so clearly similar to that of nearby Eureka, California which has a much longer period of record.

Weatherbase is a commercial site whose only interest is to generate ad revenue, and as such, they pay little attention to whether their data is accurate or even if it makes sense. As above, the climate chart on Weatherbase had a number of red flags even in 2012, such as having an average temperature of 26F in January, and it is considerably worse today, such that I don't think I've ever seen one this bad before.

If anyone wants to add proper data for this town, please use the Desert Research Institute linked above, or another source that presents reliable data. But again, for a station with such a short period of record, I honestly think it's better off without a chart.

Best regards,

—Soap— 20:14, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

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Conflict of Interest Editing

There have been many edits by someone who is on the board at Ferndale Museum (see discussion on Ferndale Museum page) who has done a lot of "buffing up and building up" without citation. Elsewhere, citations have been changed from the actual editor (Beverly Carlsen) to an editor of the second edition (Wendy Lestina) in many cases. While Wendy might have proofread the text from first edition to second edition, she in no way did enough work to have B. Carlsen changed to W. Lestina. This looks to me like more Ferndale Museum politics spilling out into Wikipedia.

The worst ones are where the original citation says A, B, C - but this editor inserts other statements thus A, B, Q, R, Z, C (citation).

These are incredibly difficult to root out and several taken off the Ferndale Museum page have been utterly without merit.

I will be fact checking this page and removing a lot of aggrandizing elements. I would request that the editor with the conflict of interest cease doing this to local pages. I have no idea how many hours of work it will be to restore all these pages.

Ellin Beltz (talk) 17:36, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

I will answer my own question. It took two hours to restore the citations and remove extra and non-notable information. It is likely there are still problems with the page, but I have restored the citations to the Carlson book. I removed about 30 repeated citations, you can use the <ref name = "NAME" / >{{rp|32}} format to show page number - it is not necessary to cite the same book over and over again. Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 19:13, 19 February 2024 (UTC)