Talk:Fieseler Fi 156 Storch/Archive 1

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Was originally at Fieseler Fi 165, but even the article text called it 156 from the beginning, and Google only gives two hits for 165 version, one of which is Wikipedia, and 1,240 hits for 156, so I'm pretty sure this is where it belongs. -- John Owens 05:37 Apr 9, 2003 (UTC)

Although the MS 500 and following Criquet are just licensed Fi 156 build by Morane Saulnier, they are part of the Fi 156 model and this should really be reflected in the article. 62.30.167.58 (talk) 19:11, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Shot down/downed by hangun

This claim really is quite hard to verify, in the absence of a source, and since it was tagged a fair while ago I'd rather not see it in the article. According to this Intelligence Bulletin, it was quite common for aircraft to be shot down by infantry weapons, or to be forced to land by damage inflicted by them. As for pilots landing for fear of being shot, I don't know. Brutal Deluxe (talk) 23:51, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

Designers

In the book, Aircraft of World War II by, Jim Winchester ISBN 1-59223-244-8 I have the designers and inspiration of the Storch being Reinhold Mewes, and Erich Bachem no mention is of a H Winter nor could I find mention of him in other publications if anyone knows of him please add him to the list of designers again.--MOLEY (talk) 00:54, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Storch at Shuttleworth

The Shuttleworth collection currently has a Storch in it's museum, but this is not listed on the page under preserved aircraft. Details at http://shuttleworth.org/shuttleworth-collection/aircraft-details.asp?ID=40 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yabba50 (talk • contribs) 12:55, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

Operation Niwi - 200 Storch's

See Battle of Belgium Perhaps the most interesting but little known use of the Storch was in Operation Niwi, the largest single operation using the Storch in the war:

10 May 1940... While the bulk of the Grossdeutschland Regiment drove towards the Luxembourg frontier. Elements of the 3rd Battalion under Oberstleutnant Barski took off from airfields near the German-Belgium border in 100 three-seat Fieseler Storch. This force was earmarked for the air landing operation codenamed "NIWI". The 400-men of the Garski Battalion were to be flown 15 km behind the enemy’s front lines, with mission to cut communications, hinder reserves reinforcing the front lines and attack the enemy’s fortifications from the vulnerable rear. Oberstleutnant Garski’s landed at 0600 hours and was only able to link up with nine men of his force. Radio contact was established with XIX Panzer Korps and Garski learned from reports that to the east of Wity, Belgian Ardennes Mountain troops were putting up stiff resistance. Using the earlier commandeered automobiles, Garski quickly moved his force to the western outskirts of Fauvilliers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sitalkes (talk • contribs) 02:20, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

The operation, despite presaging the modern use of helicopters, was mostly a failure. However it caused the British to put up wires hanging over roads to prevent a similar landing in Britain See http://www.historynet.com/niwi-nine-men.htm Sitalkes (talk) 02:27, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

Interesting info, could be worth adding to the article. I would make two suggestions: 1) If you can find a better source, that would help establish the quality of the info. The article you linked to looks like it was reposted from a Blog. 2) Make sure any added info focuses on the aircraft and its role in the battle, rather than the battle itself- some of the details in the above paragraph don't directly tie in with the aircraft. Thanks for posting! Cheers! Skyraider1 (talk) 10:43, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

Sorry I don't have any books on this subject, though some German sources are mentioned here: http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=201038 - this link also gives photographs of aircraft involved in the operation and gives more detail about the special air unit formed for this operation. Every link I look at gives a different number of aircraft involved, possibly because there were two air groups. Each aircraft could carry only two soldiers and a pilot. Sitalkes (talk) 05:53, 14 April 2015 (UTC) Surely a link to the other Wikipedia article (Battle of Belgium) could be included.. 100 aircraft flying in two waves, with a round trip of two hours each. The Storchs took off early on the morning of May 10th, 1940, flying low to avoid detection and antiaircraft. The northern group almost immediately flew off course due to navigation errors and small arms fire from the ground, and most of the southern group flew into a random fog bank. When it emerged into the clear, it spotted a large flight of Storchs. Breathing more easily now, it fell into formation behind them, without realizing that they were the main body of the northern group. When all was said and done, the northern group arrived well over strength, but nowhere near Nives, and the southern group at Witry landed with precisely five planes—nine men in all. - See more at: http://www.historynet.com/niwi-nine-men.htm#sthash.rfiPKIOp.dpuf

German production

The text says that Fieseler in Germany produced about 2,900 Storches but the boxed detail shows 1,908, an obvious contradiction. What are we to believe? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.176.35.200 (talk) 00:00, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

STOL spec?

I can’t see anywhere in the article where the field length required for takeoff is specified. Curiously, the distance taken for an even DTOL-er successor is specified, so.....? Boscaswell talk 11:42, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

"variable pitch prop"?

According to the infobox the Fi 156C-2 is fitted with a variable pitch prop. Maybe this is some unusual, non-standard version that someone chose to list the specs for instead of a typical Storch, but in all the photos on this page, and every photo that I've ever seen of an Fi 156, the prop is very clearly a two bladed fixed pitch unit.

Idumea47b (talk) 06:09, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

Removed - it's not in the source.Nigel Ish (talk) 08:52, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

Churchill's use

In the sixth volume of his WWII memoirs, Triumph and Tragedy, on page 27, Winston Churchill describes surveying the progress of Allied troops in Normandy while riding in a captured Fiesler Storch. – Sca (talk) 13:12, 2 October 2023 (UTC)