Talk:Foster Loyer

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The result was: promoted by Bruxton (talk) 18:43, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

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• ... that Foster Loyer broke Michigan's High school and Steph Curry's Davidson consecutive free throws records? Source: https://davidsonwildcats.com/documents/2023/2/8/223MBBFactBook.pdf
  • ALT1: ... that Foster Loyer holds several Davidson Wildcats free throws records? Source: https://davidsonwildcats.com/documents/2023/2/8/223MBBFactBook.pdf
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Guslagie Malanda
  • Comment: 3rd of 4 QPQs for this review

Created by TonyTheTiger (talk) and Lanternofdiogenes (talk). Nominated by TonyTheTiger (talk) at 03:20, 16 March 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Foster Loyer; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

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QPQ: Done.

Overall: Well sourced, QPQ met. Page created on 3/15, nominated on 3/16, meaning it's eligible. Random spot checks finds nothing exciting, earwig only flags numerical lists. Cited well enough, both Lead and ALT1 are mentioned in the article. No other concerns, both lead and ALT1 pass. 🏵️Etrius ( Us) 00:17, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

• I'd prefer the LEAD hook if possible.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 17:29, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

The hook ALT0 is a bit difficult, but I imagine any tweaking of this hook can occur in the prep set. Bruxton (talk) 18:42, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

A10 Career free throw percentage

I see that Sports Reference uses a two-fold minimum of 300 FT and 2.5 FT per game per this list.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:01, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

• I am not sure if it is 300 made or attempted.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:04, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
• Loyer's stats are 244–263 (92.78%) in 60 Davidson games and 298–323 (92.26%) in 146 NCAA games.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:03, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
• The A10 media guide top 10 includes people with as few as 158/184=85.9% career performances with only a 2.5 FT minimum.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:09, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

Foster Loyer#Redshirt season (2022–23)

I've tagged the last paragraph of the above section for violating our synthesizing policy. It's using statistics (or the omission of them) to reach conclusions that are not stated in the given sources. Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 17:23, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

@The ed17:, First off, thanks for your close attention to this subject. One always hopes that a DYK run will help get an article some extra attention. I appreciate the contribution of your time and attention. This section is attempting to summarize both a season and the conclusion of an NCAA basketball career. However, two sources that we know are forthcoming are not available. The NCAA updates its recordbook every fall. The Atlantic ten updates its media guide every few years. His career path makes it impossible to accurately present forthcoming content.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 19:53, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

@TonyTheTiger: I appreciate the difficulties in writing a summary of a player's career so close to its end point, but if that's the case, we can't host the information until it's reliably published. This is a fundamental part of verifiability. From footnote B: "A source "directly supports" a given piece of material if the information is present explicitly in the source so that using this source to support the material is not a violation of Wikipedia:No original research." Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 20:20, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

Actually also awaiting Davidson annual updates. We have a Davidson Wildcats 2022–23 Fact Book lists Cochran and Curry as 1st and 2nd in career free throw shooting percentage (minimum 200 made) at 89.2% and 87.6%. I.e., we have a fact book that states that the best other players have those percentages of people who have made at least 200 free throws. We also have https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/foster-loyer-1.html, which shows he has a higher career (Davidson or NCAA) number than this which meets the minimum. Can we retain the content that states he is already the career leader without the 2023-24 Fact Book.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 02:40, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

Unfortunately, we can't combine sources to reach a conclusion that those sources haven't individually reached. Is there another/more complete NCAA statistics reference that gives individual career free throw shooting percentages? Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 03:04, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

The A-10 content in that final paragraph awaits a newer media guide than the 29=019-20 version, i guess.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 02:52, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

User:The ed17, Each publication is free to set its own standards for qualification for its own lists. Davidson University, The Atlantic 10 Conference and the NCAA can all have their own interpretation of what qualifies for career free throw percentage. It is unclear whether Davidson or the A-10 counts only years in the A-10 or all NCAA years. In the case of Davidson, Loyer qualifies both with his NCAA stats and his A-10 years stats as the all-time leader. For the A-10, it is not clear what qualifies and how the next edition will present. For the NCAA, it seems clearer that he does not qualify. It is likely that his next professional move (signing a contract for NBA summer league, Europe, assistant coaching) is likely to generate content that elucidates the issues. Maybe take this all to WP:CBBALL for further discussion.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 13:32, 15 April 2023 (UTC)

@TonyTheTiger: Thanks for posting this at WT:CBB#Foster Loyer career free throw percentage—I think that answers the questions. Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 03:39, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

Relevance

@The ed17:, you questioned the relevance of the sentence about Dane Fife. Did you do a search for the name Fife in the article?--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 19:46, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

@TonyTheTiger: I did and remained unsure why this information is needed. 'His high school coach's son later coached him' is a bit distant and doesn't tell us much (unless that had some sort of special impact on Loyer). Instead, it's here presented out of context as the first sentence of a new section. If needed, it should be better integrated into the article's storyline and the connection explicitly noted. Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 20:25, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

@The ed17:, but he also broke the guys record. Further, it may explain why he ended up at Michigan State.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 02:41, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

@TonyTheTiger: To the first point, that's absolutely true, and the article already says that elsewhere. To the second point, we don't have a source that says that. Nor does this article use a source that lists both Fife the coach and Loyer the player together. (This just mention's Fife's positive COVID test.) Hence, unclear relevance! Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 02:58, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

GA Review

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This review is transcluded from Talk:Foster Loyer/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: 1TWO3Writer (talk · contribs) 09:35, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

Part of August 2023 backlog.

Rate	Attribute	Review Comment
1. Well-written:
	1a. the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct.
	1b. it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation.
2. Verifiable with no original research:
	2a. it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline.	Changed Notes (more commonly used grouping explanatory notes) to References, made reflist into two columns for accessibility. No other issues.
	2b. reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose).	Page needed tags in Redshirt season (2022–23) valid.
	2c. it contains no original research.	Quick-fail: WP:QF states that if a page contains valid clean-up banners, it is to be quickfailed. The discussion here and here has led me to conclude the banner in Redshirt season (2022–23) is valid. Speculation on what future info on a BLP, even if rationalized from current data, is WP:OR and in this page, the nominator did not comment their opinion in 4 months, which either means they agree or disagree but did not follow up.
	2d. it contains no copyright violations or plagiarism.	Does not seem to violate copyvio.
3. Broad in its coverage:
	3a. it addresses the main aspects of the topic.
	3b. it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style).
	4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each.
	5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute.	Last edit not mine is from over a month ago.
6. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio:
	6a. media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content.	No images.
	6b. media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions.	No images.
	7. Overall assessment.

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