Talk:Gabriele Schnaut

Upcoming engagements

I have removed this inappropriate addition to the article:

Upcoming engagements include in 1914 [the editor obviously meant 2014] her role debuts as Adelaide in Arabella by Richard Stauss, conducted by Christian Thielemann at the Semperoper, and as Leokadja Begbick in Kurt Weill's Rise and Fall of the City of Mahagonny at the Staatsoper Unter den Linden. At the Bayerische Staatsoper, she will sing Herodias in Salome, and Klytämnestra, both in Elektra and in the premiere of Jörg Widmann's Babylon.

When/if these performances have taken place, they can be re-added. This is an encyclopedia article—not a news-letter or an alternative web site for singers. Future performances should only be listed if they have received significant independent coverage. Voceditenore (talk) 06:51, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

Once there may be sources: the part in Widmann's Babylon is Euphrat, see reference Munich. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:26, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

A search reveals that the premiere of Babylon has already taken place (October 2013). Coverage here in the Süddeutsche Zeitung. This can certainly be added to the article. That's why these "upcoming" performance sections are worse than useless and don't belong in articles. They are very misleading. Relative time constructs like "upcoming", "now", "currently", etc. should never be used, in addition to the inappropriateness of writing an encyclopedia article as if it were the subject's web page. Voceditenore (talk) 14:02, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for the research, I will use it. I didn't find since when she is in Munich, and how do we say that she is now? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:07, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you are trying to say, Gerda. It is not really necessary to say she is Munich now. Readers will find that out by clicking on her bio there or on her schedule at Operabase which can be added as an external link. By the way here's a great article in Die Zeit from 1992, which fills in a lot of biographical details and explicitly talks about her switch from mezzo to soprano. Voceditenore (talk) 16:02, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

GA Review

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This review is transcluded from Talk:Gabriele Schnaut/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: MyCatIsAChonk (talk · contribs) 21:07, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for your help on Stravinsky and others, happy to review this! MyCatIsAChonk (talk) (not me) (also not me) (still no) 21:07, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: Just a few comments, this article is already close to GA! MyCatIsAChonk (talk) (not me) (also not me) (still no) 21:38, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

Table

Rate	Attribute	Review Comment
1. Well-written:
	1a. the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct.	In 1994 she appeared at La Scala in the title role of Elektra by Richard Strauss and as Brünnhilde in Die Walküre. In this role she made her debut... - which role? Two are listed before. Y ...in 2014 as Widow Begbick in Weill's Aufstieg und Fall der Stadt Mahagonny, and a reviewer noted... - name the reviewer and possibly the publication In 2019 she portrayed Herodias at the Deutsche Oper Berlin, with character. - what does "with character" mean? Is it a review? Is it an incomplete sentence? I question the use of "Character roles" as a header- wasn't she doing many character roles during her soprano years? Move the sentence under "Teaching" intro "Personal life", then combine the sentences into a single paragraph. Wl "Paul Hindemith" Y In 1988 she recorded works by Paul Hindemith and conducted by Gerd Albrecht, - cut and Y Change the header "Recordings" to "Recordings and reception", since there's the two blockquote reviews present. Prose is clear and free of typos.
	1b. it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation.	I suggest adding Template:Use American English or appropriate In "External links", the link "Playing Ortrud (dressed in red), intimidating Elsa" is dead. Y Location of death should be added to infobox- that is, if it's known. Y No fiction, lists, or words to watch- complies with MoS guidelines
2. Verifiable with no original research:
	2a. it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline.	Refs are placed in a proper "References" section
	2b. reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose).	All sources are websites- most are profiles of Schnaut or details of opera recordings on news sites or ensemble sites. All reliable.
	2c. it contains no original research.	In 1989 she recorded Schreker's Der Schatzgräber, possibly the first recording of the opera... - The source does not support that it was "possibly the first recording"- if anything, it denies this claim Article is well-cited and verifiable- no OR visible.
	2d. it contains no copyright violations or plagiarism.	Earwig shows no violations; high scores are due to quotes or names.
3. Broad in its coverage:
	3a. it addresses the main aspects of the topic.	Almost all of the content under "Mezzo-soprano" and "Soprano" is just listing roles and years. Is there no information about her life during these years? Article addresses her life, career, and recordings she sang in- all good here.
	3b. it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style).	Stays focused throughout.
	4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each.	No bias visible.
	5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute.	No edit warring.
6. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio:
	6a. media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content.	Image of Schnaut is properly non-free use tagged.
	6b. media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions.	The image needs a caption; also suggest adding alt text. Image is relevant and properly captioned.
	7. Overall assessment.

Responses

Thank you for the review! I'll sleep first, - past midnight here. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:11, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

I'll now do the easy ones, those that need no discussion, marking them above hoping that it's ok. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:10, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

Done, other points will have to wait a bit.

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• Character role: I gave it a link but it may not be perfect. In opera - as I understand it - it means in a rather narrow definition roles where acting is more important than singing.
• Teaching is not personal life. Perhaps I can find students.
• I like headers short.
• Her place of death is not (yet) known. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:33, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

  Fair enough on those points- I've struck through those that have been addressed. MyCatIsAChonk (talk) (not me) (also not me) (still no) 19:17, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

• Herodias and character: I worded that closer to the source, - hopefully not too close. It can't be said as a quote, because of the sentence construction. - We could also drop it, but at the end of her career, that would be a bit dry ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:34, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
• Mahagonny: well, OperaNews isn't The New York Times, and Mr. Goldmann with no full first name not the authority that Allan Kozinn has. It was the only review of that performance I could find, and I like it. It's the one time I saw her on stage, DYK? The other time I heard her live was in the Christmas Oratorio, with a boys choir, - the only woman as her soprano colleague had fallen sick, and was replaced by three boys, - unforgettable. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:44, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

• 1b: I tried the template, but British (for European subjects). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:08, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

2

• About the recording: the review of a new recording says "As far as I know, the only previous recording is the 1989 Hamburg one available on Capriccio, conducted by Gerd Albrecht with Josef Protschka and Gabriele Schnaut leading a strong cast." - That tells me that she was in the first recording, no? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:23, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

6

The image was kindly added by Storye book. It's not known when it was taken, the typical promotional shot for a singer. Storye book, could you perhaps provide a caption, and alternate text? If not, I'll try. Also: can you perhaps find something about private life? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:11, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

I have added a caption for the image. As I said in the edit summary, you are welcome to adjust the likely date (or remove it), because it is guesswork. I have searched but cannot find more information about her private life. I am only able to search UK sources, and UK sources are very parochial, I am afraid. You will need to search German newspaper obituaries yourself (I don't speak German, sadly.). Good luck! Storye book (talk) 09:06, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, helped I think. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:59, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

You're welcome. Wow, you've done a lot of work on that. Respect. Storye book (talk) 11:52, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

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