Talk:Galina Ustvolskaya

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From the Discography:

"SYMPHONY NO. 3 – JESUS MESSIAH, SAVE US!

– The St. Petersburg Soloists / Malov / Liss MEGADISC MDC 7858 <<<<<

– Symphonieorchester des Bayerische n Rundfunks / Stenz / Sherstanoi MEGADISC MDC 7858 <<<<<"

Cf. http://home.wanadoo.nl/ovar/ustvol.htm:

"Symphony No. 3 for orchestra and soloist (1983)

Duration: 16 minutes.

CD Megadisc MDC 7854 <<<<<: Ural PO, St. Petersburg Soloists, D. Liss (cond), Nemytov
CD WWE 1CD 20083 <<<<<<: Symphonieorchester des Bayerischen Rundfunks, Stenz (cond), Sherstanoi"

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• • There is quite a bit of plagiarism on this page... see http://www.mondayeveningconcerts.org/bios/ustvolskaya.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.162.155.244 (talk) 04:27, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

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Shostakovich's "North Korea" article?

Earlier I removed a source which was titled "Shostakovich: 'Most Beautiful Compositions' in North Korea, no. 2, August, 1942," the reasons being that, apart from not indicating how it was cited in this article, its reference to "North Korea" in 1942 is dubious. At the time there was no "North Korea," much less any political partitioning which required the need to distinguish one Korea from another; the Korean Peninsula was unified under the rule of the Empire of Japan and known officially as "Chōsen" (or "Тёсэн" in the USSR). --CurryTime7-24 (talk) 18:09, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

Citations

The phrase "The intimate spiritual and artistic relationship between the two composers has been compared to that of Schoenberg and Webern" was marked as dubious by @CurryTime7-24. It was actually taken (not by me) from the first authorised biography of Ustvolskaya by Olga Gladkova (in Russian). Here's the translation of that fragment: "According to one of the reviewers, Shostakovich treated Ustvolskaya as Schoenberg treated Webern. Their dialogue, in which liking and repulsion were mixed, was reminiscent not so much of the relationship between teacher and student, but rather of the relationship of colleagues. "It's not you who are under mine influence, but I am under yours,” this phrase of Dmitry Shostakovich was written in one of the letters to Galina Ustvolskaya." Banjey (talk) 20:26, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

Thank you. Is there a page number and ISBN for this book? I'd like to consult it myself. (I read Russian too.) At the very least, the passage in question should be rewritten as a direct quote from Gladkova with proper citation to make it clear to the reader that this is her personal opinion, not a self-evident and objective fact. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 20:37, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

It is stated that a citation is needed for this phrase: "It is only in the recent past that her critics have begun to realize that these supposed deficiencies are in fact the distinguishing qualities of her music." This is probably the reference to Boris Tischenko's essay on the back of the Melodia LP with Ustvolskaya's Octet/Sonata No. 3: "Today the bias of those critics who accused the composer of non-communicativeness, rigidity, “narrowness” is becoming obvious. Not everyone understood that this “narrowness” was the narrowness of the laser beam piercing the metal.” I believe that in general "the recent past" means 1990s, when her music was first discovered in the West. But in fact in her native city, Leningrad, the critics understood that already in the beginning of 1970s. And even in Moscow she was mostly ignored, by critics as well. Banjey (talk) 20:43, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

It is stated that a citation is needed for this phrase: "this should be construed not only as a typically Russian trait, but also – in terms of Dostoyevsky – as a "Saint Petersburgian" one".

Perhaps this is the reference to the words of Shostakovich who wrote: " “It's not you whom I love, but your suffering.” It seems to me that this somewhat Dostoevsky's trait of her character dominates her being". — Letters to a friend: Dmitri Shostakovich to Isaac Glikman. St. Petersburg, 1993, pp. 162–163. Banjey (talk) 20:48, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

Again, thank you Banjey. This is all useful, but it would be better if you could include and properly cite this material within the article itself. A translation of the Glikman is on my shelf, but neither the Gladkova nor Tishchenko are accessible to me for reference. (The picture of the latter on Discogs makes it impossible for me to read for myself.) —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 21:16, 27 September 2022 (UTC)