Talk:Ganj Dareh

Coordinate error

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The following coordinate fixes are needed for

Ganj Darreh	 34°15'51.83"N   47°28'36.26"E

I can't find any source that gives those exact coordinates. I've changed the coordinates to those of the location given in Wikimapia, which is not far from the location you've specified. I realize that Wikimapia's not to be considered a reliable source, but I can't find anything better at the moment. Deor (talk) 23:32, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

Problematic anonymous IP edits (85.107.24.161)

Every single statment added by this user was either a copyright vio/plagiarized straight from the article (see the lines below):

• Source: "The phenotypic attributes of GD13a are similar to the neighbouring Anatolian early farmers and Caucasus Hunter-Gatherers."
• Anonymous IP edit: "Her phenotypic attributes are similar to the neighbouring Anatolian early farmers and Caucasus Hunter-Gatherers."
• Source: "She lacked the derived variant (rs16891982) of the SLC45A2 gene associated with light skin pigmentation but likely had at least one copy of the derived SLC24A5 allele (rs1426654) associated with the same trait."
• Anonymous IP edit: "She lacked the derived variant of the SLC45A2 gene associated with light skin but likely had at least one copy of the derived SLC24A5 allele associated with the same trait."

or Original Research unsupported by the article (see line below):

• Anonymous IP edit: "In terms of modern populations, the closest populations to GD13a are Caucasus populations." - this statement is not supported by the article, unless you somehow stretch the definition of "modern Central South Asian populations" to mean "Caucasus populations". Fraenir (talk) 11:09, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

Not OR, the info regarding modern populations is from the supplementary table, page no 9. As for copyvio, I'll mention them in inverted commas. 85.107.24.161 (talk) 11:13, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

The content was rephrased. End of the discussion now. 85.107.24.161 (talk) 11:22, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

The Copyvio/Plagiarism issue is still outstanding. As for the "modern populations" issue, the main article only refers to "revealed some affinity with modern Central South Asian populations", which is probably appropriate since it's much weaker, broader and more vague. You're using a title from a figure in a supplementary section, which makes a statement "shows that the closest modern populations to GD13a are Caucasus populations and, to some extent, South Asian populations such as Balochi and Makrani." that somewhat contradicts what is stated in the main article, in content and tone. If there's a conflict in information there, it makes sense to default to what is stated in the primary article, as the statements made there are more accurate and should supersede a line from a figure in the supplementary info. If that statement from the supp was valid, it should have made its way into the main article, but it never did. Since we're using info here from a primary source, we need to be judicious, especially when there's contradictory info from the primary source itself. Fraenir (talk) 12:09, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

I have removed the info which is from supplementary table. However, I think that the info is valid and makes sense, since source says she is closest to Caucasian Hunter-Gatherers. 85.107.24.161 (talk) 13:34, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

• Source: "The phenotypic attributes of GD13a are similar to the neighbouring Anatolian early farmers and Caucasus Hunter-Gatherers."
• My edit: "She phenotypically similar to the Anatolian early farmers and Caucasus Hunter-Gatherers."
• Source: "She lacked the derived variant (rs16891982) of the SLC45A2 gene associated with light skin pigmentation but likely had at least one copy of the derived SLC24A5 allele (rs1426654) associated with the same trait."
• My edit: "The derived SLC45A2 variant associated with light skin was not observed in GD13a, but the derived SLC24A5 variant which is also associated with the same trait was observed."

Please explain why do you think that copyvio/plagiarism issue is still outstanding. If the current version violates copyrigts, then probably the old version also violates the same policy. 85.107.24.161 (talk) 12:17, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

In fact, "your version" was more problematic, since some info in it was directly contradicted with the cited source. 85.107.24.161 (talk) 12:23, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

The version in Wikipedia before your recent edit accurately states that "In terms of modern populations, she shows some genetic affinity with the Baloch people, Makrani caste and Brahui people." - this line is supported by both the line from the main article and the line from the supp figure title. No contradiction existed before your recent additions. Fraenir (talk) 12:31, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

I am talking about the info regarding "SLC45A2" gene. And again, my additions regarding modern populations does not contradict with the supplementary page which is in the source. Anyway, I am not against removing it. And you still do not explain why do you think that the current version violates copyrights. 85.107.24.161 (talk) 12:38, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

(Cross-posting from my talk page) The source article https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4977546/ is available under a Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 International (CC BY 4.0) license, which is a compatible license, so it's okay to copy from it as long as we provide the required attribution. While you are welcome to re-use licensed content, here or elsewhere, Wikipedia's licensing does require that you provide attribution to the original author(s). I have added the required attribution. Please see Wikipedia:Plagiarism#Copying material from free sources for more information on this topic. — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 13:06, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

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