Talk:Garda Síochána College

Location of Templemore

Templemore is, and has been since about the 13th century, in County Tipperary, one of the 32 traditional Irish counties. In 1898 the county was subdivided for administrative purposes, with Templemore, still in County Tipperary, being administered within the North Riding of County Tipperary. In 2001 a new administrative subdivision, the county of North Tipperary was created, covering Templemore which still, of course, remained within Co. Tipperary for all purposes except the delivery of local government functions. Templemore is much more commonly referred to in English as being in "County Tipperary", rather than "North Tipperary": not that Google is the definitive guide, searching for [templemore "county tipperary" -wikipedia] = 56.5k, same "co. tipperary" 171k, same "north tipperary" = 18.9 k. So the North Tipperary usage is vastly outnumbered by the two ways of referring to County Tipperary.

Since this page was created in 2004 it has referred, correctly, to the College as being situated in County Tipperary. Now, an editor who has a long record of disruptive editing around county names has decided that the article should instead refer to the College as being in North Tipperary. I have reverted this bold edit. Views welcome here. Brocach (talk) 19:32, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

For the "official" version, see here: "The Garda College is the national centre for police training, development and education in the Republic of Ireland. It is situated on 8 acres located in the town of Templemore, Co. Tipperary." Brocach (talk) 19:37, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

"for all purposes except the delivery of local government functions". Please explain to me what functions a county can have other than local government? As far as I know, it's sole raison d'etre is to demarcate areas of local government. North Tiperary is a county. Templemore is in the area of that county; Templemore is therefore in North Tipperary. Per Wikipedia:Naming conventions (geographic names)#Use modern names we should use the modern name. Laurel Lodged (talk) 20:45, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

As you almost certainly know, Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(geographic_names)#Multiple_local_names covers cases where more than one name has official recognition, as in the case of County Tipperary and its two administrative subdivisions. In such cases, "simple Google tests are acceptable to settle the matter". See the stats above. Matter settled. Brocach (talk) 23:21, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

Firstly, "more than one name has official recognition" does not arise as only NT and ST have official recognition. Tipp has only common usage, not official recognition. Secondly, "its two administrative subdivisions" does not arise as NT and ST are counties in their own right; they do not depend on Tipp, draw their legitimacy from Tip or are in any way subordinate to Tipp. ST and NT are real while Tipp is a folk memory. Conclusion: Multiple_local_names fails so we should "Use modern names". Laurel Lodged (talk) 23:34, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

Are you really saying that County Tipperary has no official recognition? Do you not regard the Garda Síochána as any sort of official body, even in respect of where its own training college is located? What about the Dept of Communications, Energy and Natural Resources; Tipperary Libraries; Dept of Children & Youth Affairs; Private Security Authority; Dept of Agriculture; Dept of Education; Standards in Public Office Commission; Irish Naturalisation and Immigration Service; Dept of Community, Rural and Gaeltacht Affairs; Office of the Ombudsman - really, I could go on and on showing usage of "County Tipperary" in thousands upon thousands of .gov.ie. web pages, but as it is only one person who seems to doubt this, and who is resistant to any form of persuasion, I won't. The point is: County Tipperary is in official use, and is used much more frequently than North Tipperary. Anywhere within the boundaries of North Tipperary is, ipso facto, in County Tipperary, and the commonly used name of the county should appear in the first sentence. The other administrative district can of course be referred to, if relevant, thereafter. Brocach (talk) 00:11, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

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Controversies?

Should we add a section for controversies?

Just off the top of my head, there's the audits problem: http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/audit-reveals-poor-financial-management-at-garda-college-1.3029652

And some media (notably Irish Times Politics Podcast from the last week of March) who blame the Garda culture on the selection process of Templemore. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Liberivore (talk • contribs) 08:25, 4 April 2017 (UTC)