Talk:George Floyd protests in Columbus, Ohio

June 20th 2020 Action was cohosted by Columbus Freedom Coalition. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dulcee1999 (talk • contribs) 22:53, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

Requested move 31 May 2020

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: procedural close. The moratorium on moves I applied to George Floyd protests is extended to subarticles. We are not going to have this same discussion from one article to the next. The consensus for "protests" versus "+riots" from the parent article is not a discussion that needs to happen in each and every one of the local articles, regardless of what the original title is set up as. El_C 01:04, 1 June 2020 (UTC) ~~~~

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George Floyd protests and riots in Columbus, Ohio → George Floyd protests in Columbus, Ohio – This article is a spin-off of George Floyd protests. As it has just been decided that the George Floyd protests will stay at that name for the near future, and all other spinoffs plus the category also carry this name, it would desirable to follow our standard also here. gidonb (talk) 23:09, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

Survey

• support the move (after the fact). The article name should match the parent article George Floyd protests from which this one was split. Please also see Talk:George_Floyd_protests#Requested_move_29_May_2020_(3), where the "riots" name was discarded in favor of "protests". --K.e.coffman (talk) 23:36, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

Irrelevant, as cities can hold vigils, have protests, riots, or any combination of it. City articles must be able to be named based on their individual reactions to the killing. This is a norm on Wikipedia, as with the 2019-20 coronavirus pandemic city articles; many just included "2020" in their names as 2019 was not relevant. ɱ (talk) 00:10, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

• Support Since Ɱ has challenged this. A crude Google news search for results in the past 24 hours: riots+columbus 1130 results, protests+columbus 6700 results. Just for example, the feature picture in this article for example is not of a riot, but clearly a protest. Why would this article be about only the subset of the protests that are riots when the non-riotous ones are also notable? —DIYeditor (talk) 23:57, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

Totally improper as there have been nearly as many riots as protests. National Guard is in the city, emergencies declared, and an indefinite curfew. Over 100 businesses looted. To call it just protests is insensitive and inaccurate. ɱ (talk) 00:00, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

• Strong oppose This is an undeniable simplification and undercutting of a violent, daily current event; like rewriting history. I have been writing this article from scratch; the riots have happened every night, with emergency declarations to clear the city. All roads out of downtown have been blocked, and COTA redirected its buses around the downtown. An indefinite curfew has been declared, and the Ohio National Guard are spread throughout downtown. Over 100 businesses vandalized, many completely sacked, not to mention all the public amenities and government buildings. The riots are incredibly significant, downtown has been a war zone. Omitting this from the article title shows a lack of information about the situation, and makes it appear far more mild than it has been. ɱ (talk) 00:06, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

User:Ɱ, please take a look under Protest#Typology, you will find the type Protest#Destructive that should be an eye-opener for you as to what can be included under protests. Look also under Protest#Forms of protest, where you will find "Riot, melee, mob violence" and many other forms that can broaden your view of protests. True, these are WP articles but they do reflect the literature on protests. Knowing what protests can include, your efforts to include riots or unrest do not make sense. It is rooted in error. gidonb (talk) 01:03, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

• Strong support I know it was just moved but I'll give my support for the record. The general phenomenon is called the "George Floyd protests" which includes actions peaceful and violent. Other related articles call themselves "George Floyd protests in [city name]", so there is already a norm.Mangokeylime (talk) 00:17, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

Again, totally irrelevant as each city has different events in reaction to the killing. The Minneapolis article and other rioting cities need their titles to reflect the situation too, but that's not the issue here. ɱ (talk) 00:21, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

• Support. I don't see any difference between these protests, which include violence and riots and whatnot but, in the reliable sources, are generalized under "protest" (yes, the sources for the article--and thank you DIYeditor for doing that legwork), and all the others. There is nothing special about Columbus that makes it different from the Twin Cities where we had that discussion too. The real question, by the way, is why we are creating all these articles on these protests in various locations in direct contradiction of WP:NOTNEWS. We still have dozens of "Occupy" articles to merge. Drmies (talk) 00:19, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

Otherstuffexists is not a valid argument. Minneapolis and other rioting cities should reflect that it's far past just protests. And this is the most signicant event in Columbus in decades, the worst protests/riots anyone here has seen. There are RSs saying this and more. ɱ (talk) 00:24, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

Discussion

• gidonb, I moved it. I don't see the point of waiting when we have established precedent--thank you. Drmies (talk) 23:12, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

Completely not how we operate here. Have you never been in a page move discussion? Do not move until the discussion ends, as noted on the article's RM notice. I'm going to ask administrators to revert your improper action. ɱ (talk) 00:37, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

• I just saw this, I'm on mobile. Please see Drmies' talk page. Gidonb, thank you for opening the RM instead of the immediate move. Will write more in full here late tonight when I return home. ɱ (talk) 23:22, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
  • National status is irrelevant to the situation in any unique city. Please see Drmies' talk page and read the sources. There are riots and not listing that in the title is incredibly misleading. ɱ (talk) 23:46, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
    • "Please see Drmies' talk page"... where the editor argues it shouldn't be argued. Drmies (talk) 00:15, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for checking against our rules, Drmies! gidonb (talk) 00:32, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

I should note the article's photos misrepresent this likely to all the commentators here. View videos, eg on Facebook livestreams, there have been violent riots each night. Most of the photographers here haven't been willing to experience that level of risk, creating a misleading idea of the severity of the situation. ɱ (talk) 00:28, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Infobox

I removed the words "assault" and "arson" [1] from the infobox because they are not mentioned in the article. --K.e.coffman (talk) 01:25, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

a flag burned? that is arson — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.174.191.14 (talk) 17:25, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

“Defamatory”

Suggest removing the term “defamatory” in reference to “ACAB”. The article for ACAB does not use the term defamatory, and calling the slogan defamatory implies it's false. I think that's a value judgement outside of the scope of this article. (Forgive me for not knowing what Wikipedia: pages to cite here ;) ) Mouthpity (talk) 04:06, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

(I've made this edit.) Mouthpity (talk) 15:30, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

WikiProject Black Lives Matter

I've created WikiProject Black Lives Matter for interested editors. Thanks, ---Another Believer _(Talk) 21:10, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

Sources to use

• https://www.dispatch.com/news/20200613/coronavirus-disparities-helped-spark-unrest-in-ohio-cities-say-public-health-experts
• https://radio.wosu.org/post/columbus-police-chief-wrote-book-crowd-dispersal-did-officers-follow-it#stream/0
• https://apnews.com/afs:Content:9016672022
• https://www.nbc4i.com/news/local-news/downtown-columbus-artwork-becomes-conversation-piece/
• https://www.dispatch.com/news/20200620/new-protests-raise-voices-of--lgbtq-community-mothers
• https://www.dispatch.com/news/20200619/fop-says-tear-gas-policy-endangers-columbus-officers-asks-for-meeting-with-mayor-ginther
• https://www.nbc4i.com/news/local-news/columbus-city-council-votes-to-put-civilian-review-board-on-nov-ballot-approves-other-police-reform-measures/
• https://www.nbc4i.com/news/local-news/after-two-months-columbus-organizers-seek-to-revitalize-protests-against-racism/
• https://www.dispatch.com/news/20200805/will-columbus-defund-police-helicopters?template=ampart
• https://radio.wosu.org/post/columbus-council-pulls-back-1-million-police-vehicle-upgrades#stream/0
• https://ohiocapitaljournal.com/2020/06/22/protesters-report-adverse-effects-from-tear-gas-exposure-demand-columbus-ban-chemical-agents-entirely/
• https://www.columbusunderground.com/scooters-pulled-from-streets-at-request-of-cpd-after-incidents-with-protesters-bw1
• https://www.dispatch.com/news/20200630/columbus-police-helicopters-other-equipment-at-center-of-demilitarizing-debate
• https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/2020/11/12/job-shuffle-represents-almost-15-million-salary-and-benefits/6256524002/
• https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/crime/2020/06/26/ginther-police-union-president-far-apart-after-closed-door-meeting/112772740/

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