Talk:George Washington Bridge Plaza

Updating

Djflem (talk), the lead section of this article needs polishing, and I've started the process by explaining the basics, such as which country the topic of this article is located in and the locational context of the bridge that it supports. Remember that this is a global encyclopedia, not one for New Jersey or U.S. readers alone. I see you have a penchant for oversimplification as well. Not only that, but you can't put up an image that's clearly outdated (and therefore incorrect), and to add insult to injury, blurred. The blurred image shows the top of the Plaza no better than this one does, they're both equivalent in that respect, I checked before exchanging them; the first picture (both the clear and the blurred image) gives an overall correct, locational context, because the GWB Plaza is after all described as the GWB's western terminus in the text of the article itself.

If you want another image that clearly shows the top of the Plaza, then find a new one or simply don't show either; but to put up a clearly outdated picture is incorrect, and to have it additionally be blurred makes zero sense.

I suggest you take your discussion here rather than starting an edit war. Castncoot (talk) 18:09, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Links

• Nungessers
• New Jersey Turnpike
• Hackensack Bus Transfer
• Bergenline Avenue (HBLR station)
• Fort Lee, New Jersey
• Palisades Interstate Parkway
• US Route 46
• U.S. Route 1

Coordinate error

{{geodata-check}}

The GWB Plaza is west of bridge. Djflem (talk) 13:43, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

 Done. Deor (talk) 14:37, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

Photos

A photo showing situation of wester tower and buildings at GWB Plaza better illustrates subject of article Djflem (talk) 21:31, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

So how do you feel about one with the bus stop next to one of the I-95 approaches? Personally, I've considered a new gallery for the plaza, since there are so many in the commons for the bridge itself. ---------User:DanTD (talk) 13:56, 12 July 2016 (UTC)

Lane closures

Relevant in that the lane closures took place a GWB Plaza. Djflem (talk) 21:31, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Any need for distinguishing note?

Consensus has determine that GWB Bus Station is redundant. Djflem (talk) 21:31, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

There does not appear to be any need to distinguish between this article about a plaza in New Jersey and the George Washington Bridge Bus Station in New York. This issue was previously addressed through a series of back and forth edits and the consensus was there is no need for it since there should be no confusion about the NJ plaza, which is not a bus station, and the bus station in NY.

The recent back and forth edits still show consensus since there are more editors that agree with this original consensus. Wondering55 (talk) 22:15, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

Well, I'm sure that at least some people can be confused as to which bus station is on which side of the bridge. The hatnote clears that ambiguity up. Would a {{see also}} be more appropriate? Epicgenius (talk) 00:57, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

By the way, what "consensus" is being referred to here? Epicgenius (talk) 00:57, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

{{see also}} would be much better since both are utilized as transit hubs. The plaza is not a bus station, which is a physical building. Be bold and go for it. George Washington Bridge Bus Station can be similarly updated. You were part of the back and forth editing at the end of January where we went through this same issue and it was finally decided not to include the distinguishing note. Wondering55 (talk) 03:02, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

 Done with {{See also2}}, as {{see also}} doesn't really work for situations like this, Epicgenius (talk) 03:47, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

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Addition of NJ 4 and/or Palisades Parkway to Roads At Junction in Infobox

I believe that both New Jersey Route 4 and the Palisades Interstate Parkway should be added to the "Roads At Junction" section of the Infobox, but I wasn't sure. I just wanted to confirm here if this is something that should be done. Mattx8y (talk) 07:45, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

Expansion of info to surrounding areas

I started writing an article about the George Washington Bridge Approach not realizing that this article exists, so I redirected that page here, but I notice that it only really talks about a very specific section of the approach, around the toll booths, and it doesn’t mention anything about the NY side’s approach.

What I want to do is expand the information in this article to other highways that lead into the bridge, such as Route 4 and PIP (as mentioned in above section by @Mattx8y), and possibly a separate section for the plaza/approach from the NY side. I’d also write a small bit about indirect connections, like I-80, I-87, GS Parkway, etc., but this is a hefty thing to do so I’d rather talk about it. Jason Ingtonn (talk) 13:57, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

Sounds kinda Wikipedia:Coatrack articles, since GWB Plaza is a very specific place.Djflem (talk) 18:33, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

I suppose so, but that’s why I wanted to write a separate article about the entrances to the bridge from the NJ and NY side. I got the idea from the Newark Airport Interchange and thought we could do something similar for the GWB junctions between I-95 and all it’s connecting highways because of how wildly complex and intricate it all is, similar to Newark. But yes, it totally does exceed the scope of what this article is about, which is why I wanted to do something in George Washington Bridge Approach, which could talk about the NY side or some other stuff not mentioned here.

Jason Ingtonn (talk) 21:30, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

Expanding out this article like that could be a good idea, but could also become WP:COATRACKy very quickly (as mentioned by @Djflem:). Maybe move the article to George Washington Bridge Approaches or something similar first (might be worng here)? iWillBanU (User:Mattx8y) ^{what did i fuck up now} 07:11, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

GWB Plaza is distinct. Would oppose that merge as this article is long enough and covers the NJ side satisfactorily. Djflem (talk) 17:04, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

• See:https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Trans-Manhattan_Expressway&diff=next&oldid=1089492627, which was merged against without consensus.Djflem (talk) 17:02, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

  Hence why I wanted to write the GWB Approach, which would’ve covered a wider area, but yes that would exceed the scope of the topic of the GWB Plaza. I wrote a bit more on the NJ approach, however, I would also like to cover info regarding the NY approach, in a separate article. The Trans Manhattan Exp really only covers the I-95/US 1 exits, and the NY approach is a lot more complicated than that— arguably more complicated than the NJ side, which is why I think it deserves its own article.

  Jason Ingtonn (talk) 01:46, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

  Not sure what purpose that would serve since the material is covered elsewhere. As it is now the GWB plaza covers approaches satisfactorily. Unclear also why you would separate Lincoln Tunnel Helix (which is a weak article) from broader approaches articles, but then would merge this into a bigger article. Djflem (talk) 04:14, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

  Can you specify where it is covered ‘elsewhere’ in a similar way as this article, as I may not just be aware of its existence or it wasn’t what I had in mind. The Helix was also written in the sense that it was a structure of significance, rather than an approach to another structure. I don’t like that this is being seen as “separating,” rather I am “expanding upon” a topic, but I’d rather not go down that rabbit hole right now. Therefore, I’ll scrap my idea of a NY approach article.

  Jason Ingtonn (talk) 15:57, 21 July 2023 (UTC)